Talk:Good Charlotte/Archive 1

Repeated dispute over punk status
I removed


 * As many young teenage girls refer to them as punk rock, they are basically the complete opposite of that. Many of their songs can come across as very hypocritical.

For reasons of NPOV - looking at the page history, I see that there is a groundswell of support for this view, but nobody who appears to want to write about it neutrally. Tuf-Kat 06:05, Mar 31, 2004 (UTC)

Bad Observations
The genre observations for this band are about as terrible as MCR's were. I don't like Good Charlotte, but the least that I could comment is that they are not punk. they have very few subjects even considered punk in their music, it "smells like teen spirit', in Nirvana's terms or it just seems like another boyband that plays dressup for the little girls. I mean, really,  this band played on NICKELODEON and RADIO DISNEY, how punk rock is that?  Their music is about breakups, puppylove, and girls; they have guitars, that's the closest they'll get to punk--I bet the content in their music would be even closer to HIPHOP than pop in any way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.252.234.181 (talk) 00:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Yea, I just cant imagine Johnny Rotten hanging out with Donald Duck at a Radio Disney Party, but I can imagine Johnny Rotten beating the shit out of Donald Duck. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.6.158.32 (talk) 02:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

MAY I POINT OUT THAT THEY NEVER SAID THAT THEY WERE PUNK? ALL I HAVE HEARD IS THAT THEY USE TO LISTEN TO PUNK MUSIC GROWING UP... BIG DEBATE OVER NOTHING! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.225.136.81 (talk) 07:20, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

GC actually isn't punk eventhough they insist on it. They are pop, but their sound if it ever strays from pop would be emo (really bad emo) and their content would be whiny hip-hop. There, GC is alternative-pop, not rock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.253.125.29 (talk) 04:30, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

year of formation
The band was formed in 1996. Benji and Joel started their first band in 1995, but it was not Good Charlotte. Here is a source that verifies they started in 1996. Also, if you type in "Good Charlotte 1996" into Google, you will see about 6 or 7 sites down the remnants of their official biography from their official website, goodcharlotte.com, but it has since been removed.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Spuddy 17 (talk • contribs) 21:23, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.tv.com/good-charlotte/person/171196/biography.html

not emo
good charlotte isn't emo. it's pop-punk even to most of the people i know who listen to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.105.134.49 (talk) 16:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Very confused
Ok, when i go to edit the page the edit box thing has all the stuff in it fro the previous page, thats not there now............am i the onli one who can see the page with the info only on their albums?????? im changin it bak now......so i can see it right....GEorGE 03:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

there's some stuff that I think is wrong in this article
If you read the 'Getting Noticed' and 'Mainstream Success', you will notice that there is some wrong information in this article. I don't know how to edit this very well, and I don't want to mess it up, so could someone else please look into making changes to this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.248.11.138 (talk) 21:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Albums Section Question
"But because of the code that was written within the songs it is retraceable who downloaded it." What does this quote even mean? Is it even logistically possible for a file to be encrypted in a way that the file itself traces who downloads it? Also, wouldn't the album file size be very large then? -JML

I also wonder about this. This claim needs to have a source! -GB — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.127.108.170 (talk) 22:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Repeated reverts
So, various anonymous IPs (whether one person or many, I don't know) have been trying to keep the following passage in the article

Good Charlotte are known to be dubbed "imitation pop punk" because of bands like Green Day who brought punk to the mainstream in 1994. Therefore many critics and avante garde musicians dont consider them to be real musicians, as music is creation not repitition.


 * My problem with this passage is as follows.
 * 1) The term "imitation pop punk" makes no sense.  Pop punk is itself an imitation of more "legitimate" forms of punk, so I'm not entirely sure what is to be gained by tacking on the word imitation.  If anything, imitation pop punk would be something like a real punk group that satirizes pop punk groups as corporate sell outs.
 * 2) Despite what you think of them since they play instruments and sing songs, Good Charlotte should be considered musicians.  They can be complete hacks who lack all originality and artistic integrity, but that does not mean that they are not musicians. --CVaneg 20:10, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) *Also, repetition is an integral part of all kinds of music; I'm not sure what the anon means by music is creation not repitition (sic), but repetition within and among songs has been a part of pretty much all music, ever, everywhere. I'm not saying creativity and originality isn't also a part of music (and my point has nothing to do with Good Charlotte specifically, as I've never listened to them), but music is creation not repitition is simply wrong, factually, coherentally and even grammatically. Tuf-Kat 20:21, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)


 * I frequently revert vandalism to this article. Whilst this article isn't one of the best on Wikipedia, it's no excuse for people adding unencyclopedic opinionated content to it: if you've got a view about Good Charlotte, you are perfectly entitled to it, but Wikipedia, as a NPOV fact-based project simply isn't the place for people to express it - there are all sorts of music discussion forums on the web.  Drw25 20:31, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * "The band's following ... mostly consists of teenage females." - Is there any real evidence for this statement? Whilst I don't see the problem with putting a statement in that people think GC aren't punk, I'm not sure if this is correct. Drw25 09:51, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I noticed that edit myself, and I wasn't sure what to do with it. It certainly does seem to be more in good faith than most of the other ones.  this MTV article(Not exactly a bastion of sound journalism, but it was the best I could find) seems to support that concept on some level, although it's not entirely clear whether they have an unusually large female fanbase, or if the female part of their fanbase is qualitatively different from other female punk fans. --CVaneg 20:32, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We think that Joel has ruined the band popularity by going out with HIlary Duff!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.162.76.146 (talk • contribs) 22:40, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Vulgarities and Scoldings of Members
Any administrator or any wikipedian, please look at the cast members section of this article. There are rude comments made by some anonymous person like the f word and stuff like that. Please do something about it thanks. I'm going to remove it any way Check the History if u want to. --Terenceong1992 16:06, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! In the Wikipedia, you, or even an anonymous user, has as much authority as an administrator in article matters, so if you know what you're doing, go ahead and edit. -DDerby- (talk) 19:10, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

corrections
Benji and Joel Madden's mother is named Robin Madden, not Robin Combe. The Madden's father's last name was Combs. After the divorce between the Madden's mother and father, their mother returned her last name to her maiden name, Madden, and Benji and Joel changed their last name to their mother's name as well.Spuddy 17 23:13, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Rip-off
Its a rip-off when two bands look and even sound the same. While its okay to list some influences of punk bands, trying to model the sound of those same bands is a rip off. Its hard to be original nowadays; you'd have to live as a hermit in a generic home with no outside communication and live with only instruments to produce truly original music.

Its definitely a rip-off when a band changes their sound to be pre-packaged for immediate success. I admit I liked the EPs and the first album, but it wasn't the fact that they got popular that turned me away. It was that they changed their sound for money. Or at least one could appropriately assume that considering they got incredibly popular after changing their sound.

And the whole "pop-punk" issue.. its most definitely an oxymoron. Its popular, therefore its pop. Punk music was never meant to be popular, or played on mainstream radio. The whole idea of punk music was to create the most obscene, uncommercialized music possible. WTF went wrong? Pop-punk is synonymous with poseur-punk, psuedopunk. Don't confuse what I'm saying; I'm not saying GC as a band are poseurs, but more or less their fans who run around screaming "OMG GC haters. They are sooo punk." And its the genre I have a problem with, not the band.

Pop-punk doesn't exist. One cannot be both red and blue completely at the same time. Either you're an apple or an orange, and not an apple-orange.

Pop-rock is more accurate. Its popular and there's hints of rock music.


 * I really wish people would actually learn something about punk before making ignorant and factually invalid posts. Pop-punk doesn't exist? Er, The Ramones, The Adicts, Buzzcocks, The Descendents, Generation X (band), The Rezillos. What the hell do you call that? Pop-punk is a fusion of punk rock and poppy, melodic rock. Never meant to be popular, eh? That's why the Ramones, the band that started punk in the eyes of some, spent their entire career trying to break into the mainstream. Yeah. And real punk never was on mainstream radio, just like the Sex Pistols never went #2 or anything.


 * Hell, not that GC are pop-punk anyway. The current pop-punk bands are what pop-punk has always been, punk rock with big poopy hooks and lots of melody. Current pop-punk acts are Bad Religion, NOFX, Guttermouth, MxPx, Goldfinger. Nothing like GC. --203.208.72.234 17:39, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Genre Again
Now, listen up guys, gc's genre has changed so many times that it has become ridiculous. Pop pop-rock whatever... anywasys I'd like to say that when you write/modify an article you aren't supposed to give your personal opinion and everything you write should have a source otherwise if you modify e.g. good charlotte's genre according to your opinion/taste and you don't have a source to justify your change it is considered a vandalism so Good Charlotte is pop-punk for now — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asmodeus gc (talk • contribs) 14:21, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Not Pop Punk
Good charlotte is not a pop/punk band, end of story. Their first album and portions of their second album consisted of pop punk music, however with their newest album, they have changed their sound a bit. They no longer have the bass, drum, and guitar parts and progressions that constitute the actual sound of punk music, and they have abondoned their hooks for the most part, which makes for pop punk. Their new sound most closely resembles mainstream rock, such as bands like Switchfoot and Papa Roach, as opposed to pop punk bands like The Discendents and MxPx. This is NOT a matter of somebody hating GC and saying "well they're not punk, or pop punk." It is simply a matter of talking about the actual sound of the music. Stop treating pop/rock like an insult, and pop/punk like a compliment. They are simply genres of music. Now leave their genre as pop/rock.


 * sorry for being derogatory, but your argument is stupid. Hooks are about Pop music, not Pop Punk. so if they are abandoning the Hooks that they were once well-known for, that would imply that their music is no longer Pop-anything, and instead boring, aimless drivel. which, in fact, it is. again, sorry for being derogatory, but this is after all a talk page. Gordonjay 05:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm Objective
Seriously, Good Charlotte can be commercial and not representative of Punk values. The fashion is Punk and Gothic, but the music. The music AREN'T Pop. Good Charlotte is a ROCK band. The 2 first album music is Punk Pop. I usually say Punk Pop isn't Punk but Pop Punk do. I'm not talking about fashion, I'm talking about sound. Punkie riffs, yes. Stop haters. It's a band influenced by Punk Rock music. They are not Oasis, not Weezer.

Anyone saying ramones Pop Punk?? NOT

Ramones IS the Punk. Ramones are Punk Rock. Punk Rock is not Hardcore. Stop close minds who always are thinkin is more Punk who is harder

Green day "Dookie" is a Neo Punk Rock album. This is the genre. the Offspring are a Punk rock band. Bad religion, NOFX, Lagwagon, Pennywise... All of this aren't more of Punk rock genre, all of that goes to melodic HxC blink-182 is a Pop Punk band. But "Dude Ranch" and early records sounds as melodic HxC. "Enema of the state" is a Pop Punk album do.


 * Choo choo! Here comes the clue train, next stop: You.


 * Firstly, everyone knows the Ramones are the fathers of pop-punk. Pop punk is a genre. It is melodic punk rock with big poppy hooks. I'm not saying hardcore is punk and punk is pop-punk. Did I say the Sex Pistols were pop-punk? No, I didn't, because they aren't - they're punk. But the Pistols, Clash, UK Subs, Crass and other punk rock bands sound different to the pop-punk bands of their time - Ramones, Buzzcocks, Generation X. The poppier ones, if you can follow me, are pop punk. The not poppy ones, see, are just plain punk rock.


 * Now, I suggest you learn English a little better, or get someone to proofread your post, because next time I would like to be able to understand all of what you say. Nothing personal, but up until halfway through the first paragraph I had no idea which argument you were making. I would appreciate that. Thank you.


 * Please, never say HxC again. "Hardcore" makes you not sound like an eleven-year-old who gets his musical knowledge of punk from MTV. With that over, listen up to this: Hardcore is punk rock. Hardcore is just a subgenre of punk. You want to say the Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat, Black Flag aren't punk? You know nothing.


 * Now, let's move on to the logical conclusion: Seeing as hardcore punk is, as the name explicitly explains, punk rock, and melodic punk with pop hooks is pop-punk, melodic hardcore with poppy hooks is... POP-PUNK. A more hardcore variant, but pop-punk to anyone who knows what they're talking about nonetheless. QED.


 * Dookie is pop-punk. So are the Offspring. Real early 90s punk rock is Resist. Listen to that and say Green Day were "neo punk rock". As previously proven, melodic hardcore, when it has big poppy hooks (Bad Religion, NOFX, Lagwagon especially, omigod, you don't get much more pop-punk...) is pop-punk. So those bands are pop-punk. blink-182 were always pop-punk too, they just got a little less hard as time went on.


 * You might be objective, but that's no help when you're ignorant.


 * Finally, getting to the point: Are GC punk? No. I like their first album, but I must say I can only hear the faintest trace of a punk influence. That was lost to a hard rock influence in their second album, which I did not like. Their third album moved entirely towards modern pop-rock.


 * They were never pop-punk. They might make references to Minor Threat and wear Misfits t-shirts, but their music is about as punk as Cinderella were metal. --Switch 06:42, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I totally disagree that Good Charlotte is Punk-Pop.... That is really unreasonable. I see that it has been removed from the genre list on the side, but it is still in the first paragraph. -- Dreams 3692     29 April 2006


 * ...Why do you think that? --Switch 07:11, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

bit weird
It's a bit weird. There's a picture of Good Charlotte with 5 members, but down that there's standing members: and then 4 people.. not realy logical.. Joelvt 11:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes I agree- it is a bit wierd. There are only four members in Good Charlotte- that is four permanent members. The fifth member is the temporary drummer. They haven't found a permanent drummer yet as they keep switching drummers between albums and tours. In their albums only four members are listed- Benji Madden, Joel Madden, Billy Martin and Paul Thomas. A different photo should be uploaded- I might get on to that now- but I won't delete the previous photo, I'll just put it under it with the label, current members. Ella 08:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Image Used for Good Charlotte
Please refer to the "bit wierd" section at the bottom of the page before reading this. Because the previous picture was confusing to some readers, (as the band article stated Good Charlotte had four members, but the picture showed five members) I removed it and put in a picture with four members. But this is a picture of poor quality so if anyone has a better four-member Good Charlotte picture, could you please upload it and put in into the article. I understand that the previous picture showed the former band line-up but the current band line-up would be more suitable. If you have an opinion to this topic please have a say as I need some help here. Ella 09:41, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Hm...
I think Good Charlotte is simply pop. Maybe pop-rock, but definitely in no way are they punk. Making a genre called "pop-punk" is a major oxymoron, when you think about it. Punk was about being different, back in the day, and with this sudden craze to "rebel" by listening to Good Charlotte on MTV, it's kind of contridicting itself.

They whine about things, viewing life with the most pessimistic eye they can muster. Punk is about optimism, and making something that would normally be disgusting or un-appealing into something great and fun. So while they might wear black and heavy eye-liner, and hop around waving guitars, that doesn't make them punk in the least. Punk has nothing to do with clothing, in essence. And all these fan girls playing dress-up, trying to imitate them, believing they're different, unique, and so "punk rockin'"? I really don't understand how someone can be so naive.

But I really do wonder when this trend will pass.


 * The last two songs of GC's The Young and The Hopeless are quite optimistic. While you seem to have a point about "pop-punk" as oxymoron, Wikipedia currently has an article on pop-punk, so if you'd like to get rid of the term, you need to go there first. DDerby 15:50, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It might be worth noting that pop-punk is usually thought of as a Pop culture interpretation of punk music and maybe punk fashion. It does not necessarily have anything to do with punk culture, which seems to be what most people who have a problem with this characterization are thinking.--CVaneg 16:35, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * for all y'all.. go read the pop punk article... pop punk has a rich history within punk and it is more of a punk's punking of pop than a "pop cultural interpretation of punk"... go download (or better yet buy it on vinyl to play on your record player) Somery by the Descendents. And actually listen to it... Then follow the bands year after year since the mid to late 80s through the 90s and even to today. They are all related. Also its great because each band is pretty different from each other, but they have alot in common. GC is just a controversial band as of now... Green Day was just as controversial in 93/94... its the controversy that sells records... Xsxex 17:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

pop punk revival
Please leave it at the genre as pop punk revival. We are using that term to describe a lot of bands to keep from arguing if they are punk or not. See the Simple Plan talk page for more info on it.--67.67.11.228 18:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

As of a discussion and vote concerning about this issue, it has been decided that "pop punk revival" is a neologism (specific to wikipedia), similarly, "punk-pop" is a term which is more or less a neologism (specific to the music industry, public relation firms, and especially All Music Guide. These terms are referring to the style known as pop punk. Xsxex 19:51, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * How can a band only have one genre? --Scotteh 15:54, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Album Thoughts
I dont know the truth behind these two bits fromt the article:

"Although it was not Good Charlotte's biggest commercial success, it remains to this day a fan favorite, with many claiming that this album was Good Charlotte's "only respectable release". " (on their first album) and

"It is worth noting that this album is widely considered as Good Charlotte's worst by many big fans and even casual fans of the group." (on the Chronicles albums)

I'm going to remove them because I dont really know if their true or not, but put them back if you wanna-i think their wrong though. peace out GEorGE 23:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

IF YOU WANT GOOD CHARLOTTE TO BE PUNK POP POST YOUR NAME IN HERE
Please post in here why good charlotte should be pop punk or your reason not to be. 'Cause i'm tired of changing the genre name and getting pissed off because they put pop. Hey!!! its not POP because it has nothing to do with it POP is Britney Spears and Good Charlotte is far from that genre.So post your opinion


 * I'm arguing against whatever it is you're arguing for. I know this almost amounts to trolling, but to be honest you haven't provided any references for this band being Pop punk - which is what you need to provide. Please also note that Wikipedia is not a democracy, and that three revert rule means that you shoudln't really be 'changing it back'. Thanks. HawkerTyphoon 19:54, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Please read up on what defined pop music. According to this definition, Good Charlotte is indeed pop, even though you might have some negative association with the word. EliF 21:32, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Good Charlotte is pop punk for many reasons. For one thing they follow the instruments, they also classify them selves as pop punk, and even on the pop punk article they have Good Charlotte. So if GC isn't pop punk, what is?Punk-Lova 20:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * GC is not Pop... if it was Pop then i would have killed myself.  It is more of s [(Goth)] than a [(Pop)}.  Kinda like a mix of Punk/rock/goth/emo.  [Emo} diffenitly.  Peace!!!  ....Demonteenager

Keep Your Hands Off My Girl
Good Charlotte said that it wouldn't be the single... or at least that they weren't sure it would... So why is it posted here as one?? LGFever05 18:28, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Same thing i've been wondering since i saw that. Punk-Lova 21:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

INCORRECT GENRE
The above entry entitle "not pop punk" is mine. But some people still insist to label Good Charlotte as "pop punk." It seems the general consensus of this talk page is they are not pop punk. The genre needs to be changed to "pop rock." This article is very misleading.
 * There is no consensus. However, Good Charlotte seems to match the idea of pop punk, as given in that article. --DDerby- (talk) 08:59, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The fact that they are listed as pop punk has really been aggrivating me for a very long time, because they aren't. The article on pop punk needs to be edited as well, and I will get around to doing that soon. I think everyone can agree that Good Charlotte is at least a rock band. Yes, it is a generic term, but the pop punk label is so debated. I can agree that the music they used to make could be considered pop punk, but as I wrote in a previous discussion, their newer music does not merit the pop punk sound do to the chord progression and that they have abandoned the use of "hooks" for the most part. Please keep their genre as "rock." Otherwise, please explan to me why you are so hellbent on considering them pop punk.Spuddy 17 01:22, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Not hellbent, but I reverted it a lot because hardly anyone (besides you) is willing to give a good argument why they shouldn't be called pop-punk, and the majority of those are just trying to spread anti-GC POV. However, your argument is a good one. Ideally, the article itself will reflect their disputed status. --DDerby- (talk)  09:55, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

--65.33.170.58 21:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)GC is not pop -punk or pop or punk ...there a mixture of pop punk rock and well i guess you could say there punk-rock with a side of pop. well thats all i gotta say

keppin it GC §TrUe jUgGaLeTtE§

Viewers Choice award
Good Charlotte did NOT win for THE ANTHEM.

They won for Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.

who keep changing it and why??????? Jimmypop1994 16:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

GET OVER IT!!
I'm getting so sick of the big punk debate revolving around good charlotte!!!! Good Charlotte hav pop/rock music but have punk attire. If you think about it, that makes them Pop Punk. ITS NOT THAT HARD!!!!!!! seriously people. i know that all people have differnet opinions, but if your not a fan, what does it matter????? Seriously people, dont get so worked up over a genre. if your not a fan-who cares?????? go out, get a life and stop worrying if the genre doesn't match your opinion. peace out, gEorGE

amen to that Anthonyd3ca 23:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Stop Everything and Read: Getting Serious With This Page
I have read, and reread some of the comments on this page, and let me tell you, this is not a quality Wiki page. Some things must change for the better.

1. Foul language: Name calling or just use of profanities is not tolerated. It have no point, takes up space, and ruins other user's time because we have to scroll through it.

2. Genre issue: Please make a real vote on a different thread of what genre they are, and for what reason. A good example would be, '[whatever genre], because of [valid reason.]. A bad example would be, 'Good Charlotte is [whatever genre], because they aren't [other genre], because it suxors111!!11.'

3. Threads: Stop making threads on the same thing.

Thank you, and Happy New Year! Fortunia 06:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

GC: are they a punk band or not?
Hello wiki readers, I just got interested by 'How people thinks of Good Charlotte'.Yesterday I checked some of Anti GC sites,and found there's alot shades of the haters for them.I,myself,is a fan of GC(though I'm not a super-fanatic).Without judging GC as hypocritical,lame,cool,or elses,let's see the point.Me,and all of Good Charlotte fans,loving them for many reasons,but the main thing why we love them can't be separated from enjoying the music they played.It really doesn't matter whether they're punk wannabes or real rebel,but how the music get into us,the fans.They're not cheesy. Hey come on! Punk consists many genres,so what's wrong with five guys jammin' in a pop punk band? I even hear to Rancid,The Distillers,Greenday,The Ramones,Sex Pistols,Minor Threat,Pretty Girls Make Graves,and any punk bands from every genre! If there's people out there wants to trash-off pop punk from the punk genres,come and think about it.If it's cheesy,why it's still here? I hope there's nothing harsh in my comments that offends anyone.I just hate about the 'mark' stayed along with every pop punk bands,about they're the sissiest clan of punk.

Thanks for reading this! MaD-aTAx14

The weirdest thing about the debate of whether or not Good Charlotte is punk is that, while they are more affilitated with MTV and teen magazines than any of the other pop punk bands, they have, by far, more "street cred" than any of them. And, while your past monitary situation by no means can make you punk or no punk, it is very strange that they are called posers more than anyone else. They grew up dirt poor, and were in the streets more than anyone would expect a punk band on MTV to be. That definatly complecates the debate. Again being punk has nothing to do with money. i am from an upper middle class suburban family and this is my fourth year in a private school. But, i don't think that GC could truely be called posers. Their corperate side could definatly justify calling them sellouts. they are still rebelious in their own way, and have not gotten big heads about their success. Above all else, punk is about the rejection of the shallow definitions of society, and being yourself. Good Charlotte has not lost touch with that. However, Good Charlotte's "punkness" will always be hotley debated. If you want to contact me, email me at tbird9091@aol.com


 * There was this quote I read somewhere, by Margaret Thatcher (I think) and it goes, "Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't." I think it applies to judging a band's 'punkness' as well. Good Charlotte walks around extolling their own punkness. They don't even have to do it in words - it's their attitude, their stereotypical punk attire, their "rebellion" (Lifestyles of the Rich and the Famous and The Anthem being two examples of that) that says it all. And if you have to tell someone you're anything, be it powerful, ladylike, or punk, then you're not. So in my opinion, GC is pop-punk.

This is not to say I dislike GC. I'm neutral; I have no opinion on the quality of their music. It's only the genre I wish to debate. PMC 19:20, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I like Good Charlotte... but I don't just like them... I like Green Day, blink-182, NOFX, Anti-Flag... for christ sakes I even listen to The Casualties which is the complete opposite of Good Charlotte. I agree with tbird up there. They grew up dirt poor, they had a friends who comitted suicide and wrote about them in there songs. This can't be a gimmick.. (Suicide is not something to joke about... even in music.) They stated in the song "The Young & The Hopeless" on the album of the same name, that "it's not gimmick.." Just listen to the lyrics of the song and you'll understand. They didn't have a dad either. He left them to be raised by their mother. So I believe them, they joined a big label.. so what. They've got money now, which is one thing they didn't have. But they don't care about the money. They just want to play the music. If you read the back of the Young & Hopeless lyrics booklet... there is a little note from Benji, in which he states that if he never made it big, he would most likely be still working at Target eating ramen noodles. I'm pretty they didn't want to live like, I know i wouldnt... neither would they, no one would. They got money from their family and drove to California and got signed. So... I believe that Good Charlotte is punk. So, they might have teenyboppers for fans. Who gives a f**k. Most of them in a few years will look back and will think how stupid there were back then. Most commerical bands has a pre-teen idol squad. They're indivual in their own way, which is fine with me. That's punk. Ironically, my friend sent me an article he wrote on punk today. Also, Billie Joe, has stated that he likes the Maddens and would maybe have them star in the movie version of American Idiot, if it's ever made into a movie. There is always going to be criticsm... Hell, I'm reading around right now and theres people who criticize The Casualties as being "fashion punk" or "hair punk", "posers", "talentless" and Anti-Flag as "Communist" and "want to destroy capitalism" or "they don't respect the sacrifices made by people for freedom." People need something to critcize so they choose Good Charlotte for breaking ethos. So that's my opinon on if they're punk or not. --Saint-Paddy 03:08, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Keep in mind as you read this comment that I'm not a GC-hater, and the intent of this comment is not to bash. It's about the musical style, too. Stylistically - and I have heard all of their singles and some tracks that weren't released on the radio - they don't play punk music. Beyond attitude, clothes, sponsorship, whatever. The style of music they play is not punk music. It is very close. It's not an insult to call them pop punk, believe me. So many good bands that I listen to are in fact pop punk. I love Yellowcard, Rise Against, Bad Religion, Bowling for Soup, Alkaline Trio. Great bands all. And I mean, Bad Religion, they're classic stuff, they headline Warped Tour nearly every year, and they're quite pop punkish. So it's not necessarily a bad thing. Good Charlotte's musical style simply happens to be pop punk. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|P M C ]] 04:49, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * As to wether or not Good Charlotte is punk I dont know. I'm a metalhead, not a punk. To me they are just ABBA with electirc guitars, a little more attitude and messier clothing. Of course you could say that about the Sex Pistols too. I will say this quote. Originally intended for Linkin Park but it fits Good Charlotte too.


 * "Good Charlotte is a roller coaster. Like a roller coaster, Good Charlotte may seem rebellious or appear dangerous when in fact it's perfectly safe for family fun. As long as you are over the height of 48 inches."

I would say the rest about the Joel Madden singing in fictionalized cliche but I dont feel like listening to teen pop long enough to find a comparison for Good Charlotte to Linkin Park. --Arm — Preceding undated comment added 20:59, 19 June 2005 (UTC)

Several members o f gc are for mnice safe MIDDLE CLASS backgrounds..... they were never "dirt poor" Benji and Joel just had to get jobs... most peole of their age had jobs and anyway they cant have bee nthat poor of their mother could still afford t keep the mini-van... they are not from the streets otr anything like that, their just another mass produced MTV boyband

I agree with PMC in that they're music is not punk, i don't know if i'd really even call it pop punk though it's much more melodic than most pop punk band. Also parts of their "act" really is a gimmick, particularly the whole thing where they complain about people picking on them in school, i'm from maryland and actually know people went to school with them and from what i've been told they were actually quite popular.--FirebrandPunk319

OK for one they are trying really hard to be punks which is pathetic. They're not and they never will be. It doesn't matter what their lives were like growing up, every kid with a tough childhood isn't a punk. Punk is a genre and a subculture defined by things like fast, agressive, vulgar, angry music. Good Charlotte doesn't produce that brand of music. If you beleive they are a punk band you either lack a brain, or the knowledge of what the word means. I don't mind Good Charlotte, honestly, but they're not a punk band; they are the kids that the punks beat up at shows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.110.53.80 (talk • contribs) 14:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

This Article
This article needs protection they always mess up the page and keep changing it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Didi9002 (talk • contribs) 23:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

Location
Good Charlotte is from Waldorf,Maryland. And Joel and benji Madden, as well as Paul Thomson attended LaPlata High.


 * Unless you have a source to cite (and honestly even if you do) the data will be reverted time and again. At least if you have a source you have a leg to stand on so to speak.  Otherwise it will just keep getting reverted as vandalism.  Just my thoughts and a kudos for bringing it up on the talk page instead of just starting an edit war.  JohnCub 00:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Reading Festival
Some mention should be made to GC's disasterous performance at Reading Festival, in which they were heavily bottled and ridiculed. Such mention has been made on The Rasmus page whom also recieved a similar reception from the crowd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.77.229 (talk • contribs) 15:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Undergrads
Why isn't Undergrads mentioned here. Their song "The Clique" is used as the theme, and they cameo'd in the second last episode. I'm not a fan of their tunes, but I like Undergrads, so I figured it was worth mentioning. Chewbacca1010 20:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Unbiased?
Under history, the last paragraph seems incredibly opinionated. Some people, including me, may disagree that GC's "self titled album was better" than the others. I think that sentence should definitely be edited out b/c it's rediculous.

Also, on the genre issue: it doesn't exactly matter does it? why try to "label" everything? just let it be different and deal!

Taekwondo77 01:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

religion
I remember listening to Joel Madden on the radio show Loveline about 2 or so years ago and I remember specifically hearing him talk about how his family always goes to Christmas Eve mass, although they are not Catholic. I'll find the link soon and post it to confirm it.Spuddy 17 06:58, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

-if you read the thank-yous on the Good Charlotte album, they all thank Jesus Christ as Savior so I think they're Christians. Taekwondo77 02:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

GC Is Dance Rock now!
yeah yeah.. this is the new genre of GC.. Good Morning Revival is going to be a Dance/Indie Rock Album like The Killers and Coldplay .. so.. their genres always keep changing.. you should write "Punk pop, Indie / Dance pop, Pop Rock" or just "New Rock" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ToxinTonix (talk • contribs) 16:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC).


 * Please tell me you're joking. PLEASE. I need you to tell me this. You think their new album is INDIE rock? Indie isn't even a genre, it's a name given to the status of a band as non-mainstream. New Rock doesn't exist. They are not punk in any way, shape, or form. And however wrote that Good Charlotte is GOTHIC INDUSTRIAL on the front page needs to be hurt.Eshmasesh 18:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

gothic industrial... thats kinda funny...  ▓░ Dark Devil ░▓  ( Talk ♥ Contribs )  12:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

genre debate
anyone else here sick to death of this stupid, outrageous genre debate. seriously, i am gonna (virtually) kill the next person that has a cry over good charlotte's genre  ▓░ Dark Devil ░▓  ( Talk ♥ Contribs )  12:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Refrences in Ben Lee's "Catch My Disease"
shouldn't there be a part in good charlotte's page about the refrences about them in ben lee's catch my disease.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pastryback76 (talk • contribs) 10:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

yeah, but where would you put it? if there was a trivia section you could put it in there...  ▓░ Dark Devil ░▓  ( Talk ♥ Contribs )  09:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I Think Switch should shut the fuck up
Honestly, who cares. Switch's whole dramatic plea for Good Charlotte to be recognized as a punk band despite their obvious tendency to draw upon pop matters is irrelevant. If a wolf dressed up as a sheep, but said it was a sheep, we all know its still a wolf. Ergo, this applies to the matter about Good "Shitty Music" Charlotte's genre drama. They aren't punk at all.
 * What are you, blind?
 * "They were never pop-punk. They might make references to Minor Threat and wear Misfits t-shirts, but their music is about as punk as Cinderella were metal." - Me.
 * I think you should read the fuck up. On my entire post. Not punk. Not pop-punk. Punk pop. --Switch 11:33, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

on wikipedia, punk pop redirects to pop punk, so according to wikipedia, pop punk and punk pop are the same thing  ▓░ Dark Devil ░▓  ( Talk ♥ Contribs )  09:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Who cares about Good Charlotte's genre. Just because you think they are in the wrong genre it doesn't mean you have to hate their music. Just listen to their music and forget about the genre controversy. Their music is all that matters, not their genre. GC plays hell good music so just listen to it. Trust me...Lil Miss Fail 10:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Who cares about Good Charlotte. Period. --Sam 04:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA
None of the images have fair use rationales, and at the very least, the studio albums should be listed in the discography section. Most importantly though, this article is unreferenced. ShadowHalo 06:56, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Critics
If anyone can write some information on the article about how the critics have never really had anything good to say and other info around that topic, that would be great. If any, remember to add your source of information to the references! Anthonyd3ca 17:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Chris Wilson Controversy?
The Chris Wilson page has the following paragraph:

"In September 2006, Chris accused Joel Madden and Benji Madden of keeping money from him the entire time he was in Good Charlotte via a blog on his MySpace page. He said, "Why don't you start telling the kids about how I never made one cent off of any merch, CDs, DVDs, royalties (of songs I played on), publishing (songs I played on), or TV performances (in which I signed contracts stating exactly how much I was supposed to receive). Where did it go?" (Later in the blog, he says that he was paid a roadie's salary while he was on tour with the band.) He also said that the Maddens refuse to give him his gear, which included four drum sets, wardrobe case, cymbals, etc. He also claims the brothers took advantage of him while he was in the midst of a personal crisis, a state which he alleges that they helped put him in. "The reason why I lost my mind was because I joined a band with two of the most egotistical, self-centered, back-stabbing, corrupted individuals who are filled with broken promises," he wrote. "You guys were my best friends and yet I wasn't good enough. What is going on? Come back to reality! You are complete contradictions to everything you would try to make fun of. You know what is crazy? I live in a fucking van, you live in mansions! Where's the justification there?""

Since he played such a significant part in the band, should the article perhaps make a reference to this? It seems like it could fit in the "Controversy" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.21.63 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Criticism
Mentioned before above but these guys really need a criticism section. I'm not going to find sources to add the info because I have better things to do, but it would be great if someone else could do it. D-Fluff has had E-Nuff 19:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I added some stuff about how their album was crittically panned and compared to a urine soaked rag, but there'd need to be more examples to warrant a whole section on it.Hoponpop69 21:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

First paragraph under Albums and History
The first part feels too much like a magazine- its diction is not appropriate for an encyclopedia (for example, "whose song 'My Own Worst Enemy' was a chart topper at the time." It needs to be rewritten and/or cleaned up.

Also, there are no references in the first paragraph of "Albums and History"- could somebody verify the information about the band's history? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.176.92.34 (talk) 22:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Death Metal band?
GC is certainly NOT a death metal band. Pop-rock is maybe a little bit closer ;). Could someone change that?

GC is definately NOT punk. Their just a teenpop band like BB. If you want hear punk, go listen to the Ramones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Talvimiekka (talk • contribs) 19:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

IPA
Why is an IPA pronunciation of "Good Charlotte" needed? Is Charlotte supposed to be pronounced oddly or something? Evil Monkey - Hello 02:23, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Believe it or not, some people may not know how to pronounce the name, especially the "Charlotte" part. Anthonyd3ca (talk) 07:33, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've actually heard Charlotte pronounced "char-lottie"!  d b f i r s  19:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, because people who are that stupid definitely know how to read IPA. 138.16.4.153 (talk) 05:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

POWERPOP
To Asher196: You cant quote from myspace. its unreliable. FInd another source.--SilverOrion (talk) 12:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * How can I say this another way...It's on their own official web site.Asher196 (talk) 12:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't need to take this to my talk page, we can discuss this here. Look at this site, their official site.  I only referenced Myspace because I couldn't link the specific part of the official site that contained the information.Asher196 (talk) 12:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The powerpop genre apparently applies only for their latest album.Asher196 (talk) 12:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

For fuck's sake. Stop making the genre power-pop.

Unlinking
The link to Chris Wilson was removed. An article by that name was just deleted following a VfD vote. That article referred to a different Chris Wilson who was found not to meet the recommended general criteria for inclusion of biographies or the music-specific WP:NMG. The link for Chris Wilson should probably not be recreated until an encyclopedic article has been written on this Wilson. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 00:28, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

i agree wit u 100% —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koolgrll123 (talk • contribs) 00:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Smooth Jazz
Guys. Good Charlotte is totally Smooth Jazz. Are you guys deaf or something? Christ.

Jessica (talk) 05:50, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Criticism?

 * Didn't there used to be a criticism section? TheDavesr 23:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree. This was the first thing I noticed upon reading the article--how can a band that is so often derided have no mention of this in the article? - 211.28.136.87 09:26, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, add it. That's why I viewed this article... --Sam 04:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Criticism is the only reason anybody goest to good charlotte's page =)

no shit, that's right!!! 67.116.253.235 06:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I came to this article looking for explanations as to why they're disliked and was disappointed to find almost nothing about their criticisms. That section sorely needs to be added to the article. Ayavaron 03:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the reason why there is no criticism part is because this page is guarded by Good Charlotte fans. 70.72.204.39 (talk) 03:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I think GC Is not PUNK but POP-PUNK!!!!!!!
Well that's my opinion guys...well if you will really look at it, Punk and Pop-punk are different in the music world. Well I can't say they punk but they are Pop-Punk in their songs but in the way how they dress?? Yeah they're really that cool so they're punk in their clothing but not in their songs (which is considered as POP-PUNK)...got it???

DO u have a life?!!?!?!?!? WE understand they are POP-PUNK. no one is claiming any different. and yes pop-punk is nothing but a label. They have stated themselves that they are NOT punk. So please stop stating the obvious.--207.108.244.86 16:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

there not even poppunk! they're just teenypop! arent they on the new issue of teenbop magazine talking about how the love appearing on mtv and having 12 year olds throw their thongs at them?

Teenypop is Hilary Duff's first album or one of those stupid boybands. GC may be pop-punk, but not that. Besides, it isn't their fault 12 year olds like throwing thier undies.

Good Charlotte ARE stupid boyband, their  a bunch of talentless pretty boys who appear in teeny magazines, and on MTV....

Clothes do not make a band punk...--Terronez 01:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

ture! their attention seeking spoiled little fan girls need to realise that!

Can we please get serious about this article and stop bickering? They are labeled as pop-punk, and, if the music industry decides to change this, Wikipedia will too. Secondly, we must remain neutral on the quality of their music, even if one person will feel very strong about their opinion. I must agree with Terronez, clothes do NOT make the band punk. Fortunia 06:01, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

There a boy band, what happend was boy bands got old so the little girls who loved them moved on to bands like good charlette and they actually think there hardcore just because they play intrsuments, they wanna appeal to teens and cash in on the angst there trying to do what Nirvana did in the 90's (& Nirvana wasnt even trying to cash in on angst the kinda got lucky) but the actuall fact is there not even close to Punk and calling them Pop Punk would be an insult to Pop Punk, there a Pop-Rock band that shouldnt even be mentioned in the same breath as The Ramones, The Clash, The Sex Pistols etc.

"I don't think we've ever once said we were a punk band. It was everybody else that said, 'Good Charlotte thinks they're punk, and they suck, cause they're not.' I'll be the first to wave my hand and say, 'You're right, we're not punk, and we never have been.' I personally can't name one punk band that's been an influence to me. I never listen to that music, I've never been into it, and I was shocked when we started to get lumped in with pop-punk bands." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.95.249.62 (talk) 23:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Individual band members
Individual band members that fail to be notable under guidelines at WP:MUSIC are to be merged into this article. Please include any sourced info here. --neon white talk 00:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
I really think editing this article should be disabled. The other night I was browsing the article, went down to the band members part-- and saw vandalism. Dean Butterworth's name had been replaced with a weird African name instead! Also, they had written that Dean had left the band, which he hasn't. I spent all night undoing it, so I really think it should be blocked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by E-Pro 264 (talk • contribs) 06:15, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hell yeah, I'd suggest full-protection. With that one instance of vandalism you saw "the other night" with that god awful African name it surely warrants it. Landon1980 (talk) 10:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

^You're a twat. Anyway, i'm sick of people changing the genre. Good Charlotte isn't "post grunge" or "powerpop" It's pathetic that people who don't like a band get kicks out of going onto their page and changing shit around. Their last album was alternative rock.


 * Read WP:NPA and adjust your civility according. Articles in wikipedia are based on verifiable sources not one ill-informed person's irrelevant opinion. --neon white talk 05:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Not Another Teen Movie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Another_Teen_Movie It says there that Good Charlotte was a cameo as the band playing at the prom. Please consider to add this one? :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.194.123.211 (talk) 22:13, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Topped what charts?
If the single "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" topped any chart anywhere around the globe, I haven't found evidence of it. Let's get real.Cumbre (talk) 04:10, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Genre
First off, good Charlotte are nowhere even close to dance punk. Now also all those several genres were unsourced, the only one I could find, however was pop punk. All genres on the box must be sourced. If adding a genre, feel free to add genres but have a source for it, just make sure it's reliable. If people want more genres, I'll help find some sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.236.230.80 (talk • contribs) 13:15, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Genre (yes again)
I changed the first sentence from "Good Charlotte is an American pop punk band" to "Good Charlotte is an American rock band". Even if it is some of their music is pop punk, all of it is not, and the first paragraph should be a general description of the band. I also removed dance punk from it's genre list because it is unsourced.

174.236.230.80 (talk) 13:15, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Source for "Game On"?
I've never edited a wiki page before, so I wasn't sure how to link to another page fully. There's a source for what I changed, but I'm not sure how to implement it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.152.233.39 (talk) 06:49, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

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