Talk:Goodbye (Grey's Anatomy)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: M.Mario (talk · contribs) 21:30, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

* I feel there are to many images in the article, there are 4 free images and one non free, so I think it would be easier to read if the the double image was removed. Full review starts tomorow. — M.Mario  (T/C) 21:57, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I respectfully disagree. Criterion 6B of the good article criteria specifies "images are relevant to the topic [...]". This article does not go against that, as they are all relevant, and the photos cannot be considered a minus.  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 23:56, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I do understand this, however have you thought of doing a a four way picture? Just an idea, but its fine how it is anyway. — M.Mario  (T/C) 16:12, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Disambigs, Refs & External

 * No disambigs needing to change.
 * Im not sure about the reliability of Source 10- is describes itself as a "blog" -> WP:BLOGS.
 * Again, make sure you link all publishers and works.
 * No External Link problems.

Infobox

 * The music is the main issue. There should be nothing in the infobox, which is not in the main artice. I can see you have included two in the 'Development', how ever you need to add the rest.
 * I do not get why the image is relevant to the article, and there is no single piece of Reception commenting on this. Maybe add a better photo which represent the main storylines of the episode, as the merging part of the episode has one line in the 'Plot' section, and is not even mentioned in the 'Lead'.
 * It only needs one plot line. It was still a major part of the episode. I'll endeavor to search for a new photo.  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 18:10, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Lead

 * I would incorprate the fact that this is the second part of an episode more earlier in the Lead.
 * It was not the same episode, they just aired back to back. The style Grey's Anatomy episodes hold are discussing storylines, directors, and writers in paragraph one, and reception, further details, and ratings in the second paragraph.  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 18:19, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "the physicians are struggling with the grief brought on by their beloved co-worker Dr. George O'Malley (T.R. Knight)'s death" -> the staff at Seattle Grace Hospital come to terms with the death of their colleague George O'Malley (T.R. Knight).
 * "took place at the fictional Seattle Grace Hospital" -> If you use the point above, this is not needed.
 * Link 'star billing'.
 * "having been upgraded from a recurring star" -> having been upgraded from a recurring star from season 5 (Link season 5).
 * "Leigh's and Ramirez's performances praised in particular" -> Who's Leigh? Havent mentioned her yet.
 * ""Goodbye" is the second episode of the sixth season of the American television medical drama" - however late on it is called the premiere? Is this the second episode or part two of the first episode? Change to: "Goodbye" is the second part of the first episode of the sixth season of the American television medical drama; maybe? Its rather confusing.
 * It was the second episode, but it aired back to back with the first as a season six premiere special. I've added 'special' in second paragraph to reduce the ambiguity.  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 18:19, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Plot

 * "pushes through her depression" -> Odd turn of phrase.
 * Actually; this whole line; "Clara Ferguson (Zoe Boyle) pushes through her depression, urging Dr. Lexie Grey (Chyler Leigh) to return home, after being at her bedside", needs rewording. Its written very confusingly.
 * "Dr. Arizona Robbins (Jessica Capshaw)'s chronic pain patient, Andy Michaelson (Zack Shada) and his mother Pam (Martha Plimpton) return to the hospital" -> Im guessing he is ill again, but the use of the word "return" makes them sound like they are visiting.
 * "On his way to a board meeting, Webber runs a red light, and is T-boned" -> On his way to a meeting, Webber goes through a red light, and collides with another vehicle, resulting in him becoming T-boned.
 * "Lexie expresses her concern to Torres about doing this, and she apologizes" -> Why would she be concerned? And why does she apologize, needs to be written better.
 * Please read the sentence before it. Torres walked in on her boyfriend in the shower. I've reworded a bit.  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 18:33, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "Stevens notices Amanda (Shannon Lucio) sitting outside the hospital" -> Need to explain who she is
 * "did not save her so she could be miserable" -> He saved her?
 * "Webber announces that Seattle Grace will be merging with Mercy West." -> How did this come about? The Plot says he is injured and is being treated in the hospital, then this?!?
 * That's the point. No one knows how it came about; it was shocking. But I added above that he was discharged.  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 18:33, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Production

 * Maybe change to 'Production and development'.
 * Development is a branch of production so that is not necessary.  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 05:33, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "Krista Vernoff informed Kevin McKidd that the therapy scene would change, twenty minutes before filming." -> add (pictured) behind McKidd.
 * For every character you mention in this section; put the surname of the actor/actress in brackets.
 * There is a lot of quotes in the section; try to merge the first part where it has bits in captial letters.
 * Merge what?  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 05:33, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The part where it says; "Vernoff commented on this: "I handed them that scene 20 MINUTES BEFORE CAMERAS ROLLED. Swear to God. The scene was something totally different. It was actually a funny scene right up until the last minute." -> Not only could you turn this to written work, but you could even cut down some of the quote, "Swear to God"; not needed. — M.Mario  (T/C) 08:41, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, ✅.  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 08:43, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Reception

 * Remove "juggernaut".
 * "The episode opened to generally positive feedback, and aired back-to-back with the previous episode, "Good Mourning", as a two-hour season premiere special" -> A lot of repitition.
 * "The episode opened to generally positive feedback" -> Mixed feedback.
 * Link Elizabeth Kubler-Ross to correct article.
 * No, it's linked in storylines.  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 05:36, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * My bad, I'm thinking of Good Mourning (Grey's Anatomy).  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 05:37, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Criteria

 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * Finish points on Reception and Production.
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * This article makes use of a wide range of academic sources.
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:


 * Everything's ✅; thanks for review. Also, what edit wars are you referring to?  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 08:44, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * There hasnt been any; that was from the Callie Torres article, my bad. Anyway, congratualtions on the GA! — M.Mario  (T/C) 08:46, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Looking forward to your review at Talk:Arizona Robbins/GA1,  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 08:48, 7 July 2012 (UTC)