Talk:Google Cloud Platform

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Editor Disclosure
Disclosure: I am a Google Developer Expert for the Cloud Platform. That means that I have a lot of experience with the platform, but I don't work for Google and I have not been paid to write this. NachoColoma (talk) 20:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

could all do with fleshing out
This entry seems somewhat dry and pointless. Is GCP not competing with the likes of AWS and Azure? Better explanation of services offered, the infrastructure, datacentre locations and to whom the services are aimed at would be useful. If the cloud is the future of IT then this could all do with fleshing out. Cloud computing is probably Internet v3.0 and probably the biggest disruption to the Information Technology industry as anything gone before. Why isn't this article a hotbed of debate? Have people not started losing their jobs yet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.32.232 (talk) 13:51, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree comparing this article to those for Microsoft Azure and Amazon Web Services it looks pretty sparse. I'll try and contribute some stuff. Still consider myself pretty new to wikipedia so any pointers/guidance on how to go about improving this article would be welcome. Swoophle (talk) 16:23, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Some suggestions with sources:
Hello, I am an employee of Google Cloud Platform and would like to help update the Wikipedia entry for the company. I've suggested some content here and would like to work with you on to ensure I am updating them properly and according to Wikipedia guidelines. I look forward to working with you. 2620:0:1001:7802:2144:F4EE:56DB:958D (talk) 21:47, 11 January 2017 (UTC) Sudhir Sharma, employee of Google Cloud Platform


 * Hi! Thank you for disclosing the conflict of interest in the talk page. I am not an employee, and I will review your proposed edit from a non-conflict of interest perspective. You've written quite a lot (which is good, don't get me wrong!), but reviewing it won't be done within 5 minutes. I'll get started on reviewing it hopefully later today or later this week. I'd just like to say one thing, though, and that is that I will most likely be changing some stuff in the process. That is mostly because editors with a conflict of interest are often tempted to add non-neutral language, use improper sources, or otherwise show signs of their "bias" even without intention. So when I have time, I'll be reviewing the proposed edit, and making changes based on Wikipedia's guidelines and rules. Thanks for trying to contribute! :) LocalNet (talk) 06:19, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi again I have now reviewed your edit. First of all, thank you for your interest in contributing to Wikipedia! However, after reviewing what you've written, it comes to my attention that too little of the information has sources. The majority of the links are to other Wikipedia articles. As an example, many of the History items do not feature references to secondary, reliable sources, and the same is true for the "Certifications and Training" and "Usage" sections. The "Compute", "Storage and Databases", "Big Data", "Machine Learning", "Networking", "Identity and Security", and "Management Services" sections feature intricate details that only interest a specific audience. So, I apologize, but at this time, I won't change the page. LocalNet (talk) 09:57, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Nomulus
At present, this page doesn't have a great deal of information regarding individual components of GCP. As such, the Nomulus section seemed a bit out of place, so I moved it to its own article Swoophle (talk) 14:51, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Merger discussion
Google Storage itself is a service within the Google Cloud Platform, and Google Storage itself does not have enough reliable sources to establish notability. Hence I propose merging it into this article, or otherwise Google Storage be nominated for deletion. Emphrase - 💬 / 📝 07:00, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree with merge. I think it would make more sense for this to be a section in the Google Cloud Platform article, with a search for it redirecting to Google Cloud Platform. --Matt0401 (talk) 08:02, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep it. Not merge. Google Storage as other cloud service storage service are complex and as other services is adding new features frequently, see example of: Amazon S3. Just if needed should be added more reliable sources. Tech201805 (talk) 16:36, 16 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Closing, given the stale discussion with uncontested objection. Klbrain (talk) 19:36, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Reverted Change
Hey ,

I noticed you reverted the changes I made to this Google Cloud page. I'm new at all of this Wikipedia editing stuff, so could you let me know why? I work for a training company and we teach classes on using Google Cloud. I figured as a trainer, who knows Google Cloud, I might could help flesh this page out a bit. This edit was my first stab, and I'm a total noob. I include a reference to the reference page I used for the information I altered, but I did do that in my content rather than a bottom of the page thing. I also have learned that I should have included a comment on why I made the change.

Anyway, the content you reverted to is out of date and if you let me know how to properly make the update, I will.

Thanks much.

Cheers

Hagg (talk) 22:57, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello . First of all, you didn't explain what you were doing--for all I know you were just making things up. Second, no source was provided for the information, and before you say "the rest wasn't sourced either", yes, but I'm actually itching to remove ALL that stuff. We can't have such unverified information. I'm not sure what you mean with "in my content"--you didn't add any sources, and if you're suggesting that all that info is verified in the link that was already there, "https://cloud.google.com/about/locations/", then you can state that in the edit summary.On a higher level, the entire article is really s**t--it relies mostly on primary sources, and its contents (except for the equally unverified comparisons) might as well have been pulled off the company website. But yes, an edit summary makes everything better. Even more better are secondary sources... Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:12, 4 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey . Got it. Yes, the information is on the link you referenced, for the most part. You are correct about the content reading like an advertising brochure. In the future, any changes I make I'll make sure to add a why and to add references. As I said, this making changes in Wikipedia is all new to me. Honestly, I think the overall benefit of this entire section is dubious at best. When I have a moment, for now, I will revert to my change, comment on why I made the change, and make sure the reference is clear. In the future, I think it would be much better to simply go with the top section, "Here's GCP, they have X regional data centers, each with 3 zones" and leave off the explicit list. Though, that might just be me :-). I'll also see if I can come up with more useful information and sections. Thanks. Hagg (talk) 18:52, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Massive cookies
The first paragraph claims you need to sign up and provide a credit card to use Google cloud, but I've not asked for it or provided Google with a working current card number.

Nevertheless, this cloud.google.com site will store hundreds of megabytes of cookies on my phone unless I specifically block them.

Blocking them doesn't effect the operation of any of the Google services I actually use. So I guess the question is, what is going on here, and why does it use more space than anything else by a factor of 50. Zaphraud (talk) 13:11, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Regions and zones
Hi,

There are many regions and zones missing in the Regions and zones section. Google cloud has 33 regions and 100 zones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:C281:1BD0:E000:99FE:766D:2B55:CA5B (talk) 14:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Internal GCP usage by Google
The first sentence states that GCP "runs on the same infrastructure that Google uses internally for its end-user products, such as Google Search, Gmail, Google Drive, and YouTube." I attempted to verify this in the linked reference but didn't find information on the linked page to support this claim.

In fact, there's some evidence to the contrary. A 2021 CNBC article writes that "Historically, Google has leaned on its own systems to run its most widely used applications across computer servers in its data centers. The Google Cloud Platform offering has coexisted separately, and Google has not undertaken the effort to migrate its eponymous search engine, for example, to the Google public cloud." Does anyone have a source for the claim that Google uses GCP internally or that Google Search, Gmail, Google Drive, and YouTube run on the same infra as GCP?

Meanwhile, I'm adding a disputed tag on that first sentence. Thenewpotato (talk) 00:08, 3 July 2022 (UTC)


 * There is some common infrastructure that they run on, but very very little of Google actually runs on GCP. 2620:15C:183:204:BD2C:E38D:B2:5D00 (talk) 19:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This page provides some further clarity: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/04/google-is-moving-parts-of-youtube-to-its-cloud-service.html 2620:15C:183:204:BD2C:E38D:B2:5D00 (talk) 19:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's remove the Disputed-inline with a reference of Large-scale cluster management at Google with Borg where it states "Such services are used for end-user-facing products such as Gmail, Google Docs, and web search, ..." (section 2.1) and "VMs and security sandboxing techniques are used to run external software by Google's AppEngine (GAE) [38] and Google Compute Engine (GCE)" (section 6.1), which indicates both end-user-facing products and external software from GAE/GCE run on Borg (which is the "infrastructure"), so the original wording is technically correct, although it might cause reader misunderstanding (interpreting as "GCP is the infrastructure that Google uses internally for its end-user products", similar to how Thenewpotato thought). 2603:6010:3F00:504:8149:E23D:246:DD69 (talk) 10:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Let me make it clear, edit COI request:
 * Was:
 * To be:
 * COI: Google employee. 2603:6010:3F00:504:284:5F3F:FDBB:365A (talk) 21:45, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Reply 5-OCT-2023
Regards, Spintendo  22:11, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) The specific page number from the proposed source was not provided with the reference. That reference (Verma, et.al.) is 17 pages long. Surely the requesting editor does not intend all 17 pages to be read in order to verify the requested claims.
 * 2) The requesting editor is asked to kindly provide the specific page number from the proposed source where the requested claims are verified in a new edit request below this reply post at their earliest convenience.
 * 2603:6010:3F00:504:284:5F3F:FDBB:365A (talk) 23:26, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Reply 5-OCT-2023

 * Google Drive and Youtube are not necessarily mentioned in the source material. Please advise how it is that the suggested reference confirms the article's text in its entirety, when those two services are not mentioned.

Regards, Spintendo  00:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * When ready to proceed with the requested information, kindly change the template's answer parameter to read from y to n.
 * In both the existing article and source material, the keyword is "end-user-facing products". Both enumerations begin with "such as" meaning neither of them is an exhaustive enumeration. 2603:6010:3F00:504:261E:C796:2F30:93D2 (talk) 01:40, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Or let me find a separate article enumerating more products running on Borg, but this one is less "reliable" and I'm not sure if combining different sources is okay: Google Borg Infrastructure. 2603:6010:3F00:504:261E:C796:2F30:93D2 (talk) 01:47, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The provided Battepati source is informative, but ultimately not authoritative. Relying on the Verma source's use of "such as" might constitute WP:SYNTH. I would suggest using a different source to help clarify the issue. If that issue really is as clear as day, then there must be hundreds more to choose from. Regards, Spintendo  17:58, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Make it an exact match then.
 * 24.209.50.141 (talk) 09:55, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * 24.209.50.141 (talk) 09:55, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Since the requesting author has provided only one source for this information, I would suggest that the author of the reference be mentioned in the claim statement, for example, "Google Cloud Platform (GCP), offered by Google, is — according to Verma, et.al., — a suite of cloud computing services that runs on the same infrastructure that Google uses internally for its end-user products, such as Google Search, Gmail, and Google Docs." Please advise if this is acceptable. If not, then the request is declined as needing consensus (e.g., ).

Regards, Spintendo  18:21, 7 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Having a citation attribution with in the first 10 words of an article looks weird. We can move this piece of information a bit:  (the whole first paragraph). 24.209.50.141 (talk) 02:48, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have reviewed these proposed changes and suggest that you go ahead and make the proposed changes to the page. Regards,  Spintendo  04:14, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I propose merging of Google APIs and Google Cloud into Google Cloud Platform.

I believe that these articles share the same subject. While APIs for core Google services and the cloud platform may have been separate in the beginning (I'm not sure if they ever were though?), they have been merged under a single 'Google Cloud' umbrella a while ago from both marketing (see https://cloud.google.com/ - Products) and technical (authentication methods, shared cloud cloud console etc) perspectives.

This proposal stems from a search for sources I did while participating in Articles for deletion/Google APIs, failing to find any that would differentiate these three subjects, as well as 'Google Web Services' mentioned in the AfD discussion.

Google Cloud Platform appears to be the most suitable merger target, as it seems to be the most comprehensive of all three.

Pinging participants of the aforementioned AfD: PaulT2022 (talk) 00:38, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * From a glance, GCP seems different to the online APIs that are used for gmail, google docs, etc. Do you have a source saying these are the same things?
 * For the Google Cloud article, the set index could be merged, I am mostly indifferent. Darcyisvery cute (talk) 12:57, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Google Cloud website says that Google Workspace (an umbrella term for mail, Docs, Drive etc) is a part of Google Cloud, and the Google Workspace API documentation describes it to only be accessible via a Google Cloud project: https://developers.google.com/workspace/guides/get-started
 * I suspect there may have been historical differences between the classes of APIs so to speak, but they've been pretty much unified under the Google Cloud platform a while ago.
 * Unless I'm missing something and there are other APIs that need to be treated separately? PaulT2022 (talk) 13:42, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose Not the same things. Google Cloud isn't an article; it's an WP:SIA. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:36, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Could you elaborate on this? I'm failing to see how its scope is different from the scope of the Google Cloud Platform list. PaulT2022 (talk) 11:04, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Google Cloud doesn't list all products in the Google Cloud family; it lists all articles that begin with the base title "Google Cloud". See WP:SIA. InfiniteNexus (talk) 08:05, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Google Cloud literally says it lists Google Cloud Platform products twice. I'm not sure where it lists all articles that begin with the base title "Google Cloud" comes from? It's not how the Google Cloud introduces its scope.
 * I don't mind if it's maintained as a WP:SIA page if that's the consensus, but then the scope should be crystal clear about this. Currently, it only mentions being a SIA page and not a complete list in the SIA template in the footer. PaulT2022 (talk) 14:23, 18 January 2024 (UTC), added 06:50, 21 January 2024 (UTC)