Talk:Gordon Copeland

party?
I can't actually work out if Copeland is a member of any party, or an independent. Is he the Kiwi Party caucus or not? Rocklaw (talk) 03:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * As I understand it, membership of a party as an individual is considered distinct from membership of a party caucus inside Parliament &mdash; belonging to a party as a private individual doesn't automatically make you an MP for that party. I believe this is the case for Copeland &mdash; he's a member of the party personally, but as an MP, he's independent (for now). I could be wrong, though. -- Vardion (talk) 07:01, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * okay. I'll just leave it as is. thanks. Rocklaw (talk) 08:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

POV
Recent edits to Copeland's political views seem very polemical, emotive and loaded in style. Anyone like to scrub them up a bit? A.J.Chesswas (talk) 23:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree and I have deleted some of the biased and partisan comments under the social policy heading (which I note were also unsubstantiated).Aslan101 (talk) 09:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Weasel Words??
Cited for "Weasel Words", but after reading through three times, where are they?? Lots of "citation needed" and "who?" ie source needed, but any "weasel words" ?? Hugo999 (talk) 12:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Waka jumper?
In light of legislation to prevent list members changing party affiliation/quitting caucus/queering the proportionality, why is Copeland still sitting instead of a UF list appointee? Fanx (talk) 14:45, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The so called "waka-jumping" legislation had a sun-set clause. Mattlore (talk) 10:16, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

'Pro Marriage Biased'
The term 'pro marriage is biased. I could say anti-gay marriage, or anti-civil union, but that two would be biased against those who are against gay marriage. Would be better if this article refereed to his 'Views on marriage'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.223.240 (talk) 12:26, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Independent
To the anon who keeps removing the category "Independent MP", -Perhaps we need to come back to this issue with more sources or otherwise seek mediation? Mattlore (talk) 10:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) It is my understanding that there was some time between him leaving UFNZ and the (re)founding of Future New Zealand. This you dispute and I have not found any evidence either way.
 * 2) The article refers to him as an Independent MP (the reason I placed him in this category in the first place)
 * 3) It is my understanding that when he joined the FNZ party he did so as a private individual and remained an Independent MP for the purposes of parliament. That is, parliament continued to recognise him as an independent, which is why, if you watched any party votes during this time they went "Labour, National...Progressives, Gordon Copeland, Taito Phillip Field" not "Progressives, Future NZ, Pacific Party"
 * A quick google search not only turned up a great deal of newspaper articles that refer to him as an Independent MP but also this quote from him in the adjournment debate of 23 Sept; "As an Independent MP I particularly want to give my thanks today as well to the Parliamentary Library. Believe me, when one is on his own, pretty much, that service is absolutely vital and it has been superb. Also I thank the Office of the Clerk, which on many occasions has given me advice and assistance as I have adjusted to life as an Independent MP." Mattlore (talk) 10:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Birthplace
I've removed any mention of where he was born for the time being since the claim he was born in Nelson which the article has long made has been disputed with the claim he was born in Wellington. Copeland's autobiography will probably have the place of birth, but the Auckland Public Library's copy is missing, so it will likely be some time before I can locate a copy. I believe that Takapuna library has a copy, but I won't make a trip to Takapuna just for this. If anyone else has access to a copy of "Faith that works: an autobiography", and it does give the place, please add the information and include the relevant page number in a reference.- gadfium 20:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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