Talk:Gordon Ramsay/Archive 4

Where does he actually cook?
Question for my friends on Wiki. Is Ramsay still actually cooking as a "behind the line" chef in command of his own brigade? With all of his activities, his numerous restaurants, does he actually work at one cooking meals? I.e., could you go to a specific restaurant on a specific night and have Ramsay be the guy in the back cooking the food? This would also be good info for the article, maybe add a sub-section talking about where he actually cooks, in which restaurant, and how often he does this. -OberRanks (talk) 23:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Almost no chef at Ramsay's level (multi-starred) still actually cooks much on-line. They're more like movie directors, if the analogy makes sense. Not true for all of them of course. Redzepi still cooks to an extent, there's an Italian woman with three stars who does a lot of the cooking in her own kitchen; Achatz didn't even miss more than a couple of services while he was being treated for cancer. Adria really only did much cooking at elBulliTaller in the final years, just sort of oversaw things during service.


 * But. There was an article, maybe 2-3 years ago? about the opening of his restaurant in New York. I can't remember where I read it, but it was online. I seem to recall it also discussed Ramsay's financial and legal troubles at the time. In any case, there was an anecdote in the article (witnessed by the reporter) about him working the pass at the London restaurant. Best I can do, sorry, but I'd personally be pretty surprised if he did any actual cooking. So I think you're probably unlikely to find that. Chefs with that level of success don't cook much, same as super successful movie directors often move partly or wholly into producing. Not just a matter of success. Bourdain did a bit on No Reservations where he went back to Les Halles to cook through service. (Also mentioned in Medium Raw). The older you get, trust me, the harder it is to do, especially when you have 18 year olds whizzing around you. — The Potato Hose 04:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Really good info, thanks. I knew a girl about 3 years ago who went to London and saw him cooking in maybe this restaurant near a hotel I think was called the "Savoy".  She asked how often he was there and they said it was rare and that he had to declare a "home base" for employment reasons to remain a certified chef; he had apparently chosen this restaurant to do so and cooked there about once or twice a month.  The staff said he also dropped by and ran the kitchen from time to time, often with his usual flare that we see on TV.  My friend also said he came out into the dining room when she was there and was one of the nicest people she ever met.  Go figure! -OberRanks (talk) 18:53, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Without getting way too far into WP:NOTFORUM territory, your friend was quite possibly mistaken about GR's behaviour. I used to work for a chef who spent a couple years under Ramsay (just before he turned into Huge Media Star), and he told me that Ramsay does get passionate at work, but nothing like the abuse he throws out for TV. He's genuinely respectful of the people who work for him... as long as they are giving 100% all the time. I have met him in a professional setting and can confirm that he really is a nice guy. Huge though, he's like eleven feet tall. Anyway... if you can find the article I mentioned, it might be worth a brief note in this article. — The Potato Hose 19:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Need checking

 * The Narrow < is on Gordon Ramsay website (http://www.gordonramsay.com)


 * Murano (one Michelin star), Mayfair, Angela Hartnett (executive chef), opened 2008 < is not on his website — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.107.178 (talk) 13:14, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Jean-Claude Breton
Hello everyone. I just wanted to point out the line in the article regarding Gordon Ramsay's television sub section. Jean-Claude Breton the maitre d' is not French but in fact he is Belgian. Can someone please correct this?. Thank you. Emmavt9 talk 03:37, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Both the references here were dead but I managed to find an archive version for one of these and it looks like the name is wrong and it should be Jean-Baptiste Requien so I have changed the name in the text and added the archive version for one of the references. Keith D (talk) 10:44, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you mean Jean-Philippe Susilovic, who is Belgian - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Philippe_Susilovic
 * Also Jean-Claude Breton - http://www.gordonramsay.com/royalhospitalroad/our-team 79.79.107.178 (talk) 10:57, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Description
I don't think it accurate or helpful to describe him as a hotel manager. He is a chef, that is the basis of his notability. I don't think he has ever managed a hotel, and the reference does not make any such claim. Macdonald-ross (talk) 18:02, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * He certainly owns at least one hotel http://www.gordonramsay.com/yorkandalbany/ Dbrodbeck (talk) 20:09, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Here is an article about it http://enroute.aircanada.com/en/articles/spending-the-night-at-gordon-ramsays-hotel Dbrodbeck (talk) 20:10, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That said, you are correct and I have fixed it. Dbrodbeck (talk) 20:20, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Owning a hotel does not mean that he works as a hotel manager or hotelier. The Banner talk 21:30, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Personal Guaranty Lawsuit
Was going to put in a section on him losing the personal guaranty 20 year lease lawsuit in late 2014, but this article is locked. This needs to be put in there as it fills out the story about dismissing his father in law as well as demonstrating a very questionable business deal of public interest.

Legal proceedings is in the wrong place. it should be a sub-head under Gordon Ramsay Holdings, not under TV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.230.63.53 (talk) 18:30, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You need to make an WP:EDITREQUEST specifying what changes you want going in. GimliDotNet (talk) 18:56, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2015
Please change "is a British chef and restaurateur." TO "is a Scottish chef and restaurateur." because 'Scottish' provides the specific NATIONALITY as opposed to a CITIZENSHIP - which is vague. This will assist in removing any ambiguity that may be inferred here and will offer greater clarity to the NATIONALITY of Gordon Ramsay, which is in fact - despite his upbringing in England - Scottish. Looking at other English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish personalities on wikipedia, it almost always states clearly the distinct nationality of the person, and I see no reason to object to this here. Please change it.

Boeing707JT3D (talk) 21:54, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You have to do it with "Scottish born British" due to prior edit wars. The Banner talk 23:18, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't be called Scottish
I'm probably not going to change this as this is the exact type of thing that causes a stupid edit war, but he really shouldn't be called Scottish. You can see here how he refers to himself as English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51s2tfqU17g / http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-superchef-gordon-ramsays-homeland-1110034. He may have been born in Scotland, but he was raised, lived most of his life, was educated etc in England. At the very least, he should be called 'British' if not English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloodloss (talk • contribs) 01:18, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not British, although it's just half a day's sailing away from here. So i'm probably not aware of all the sensitivities surrounding this, but i am impartial. Seems this remark has gone uncontested so far, so i'll go ahead and change it to British, which seems the least controversial to me. Alternative would be something along the lines of "Scottish born English".PizzaMan (♨♨) 10:12, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Upon reading the archives, i think there's no clear consensus, so i'd advice using "British". Note that in my country, The Netherlands, it would be considered bordering on racist by some if you'd call someone who has a Dutch passport and was raised in The Netherlands for most of his formative years, but was born in Morocco, a Moroccan (rather than an Dutchman). We invented such terms as "new Dutchman". Do UK passports make a distinction? Either way, using the broadest term and then later clarifying where he was born and where he was raised seems the right course of action to me. Well, ok, calling him a European would be overdoing it ;-)PizzaMan (♨♨) 10:26, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Upon reading this, I think you are wrong by removing the mention of him being Scottish. Please be aware that the article was victim of the nationality-issues fired up by the recent Scottish referendum. I could notice that nationality-issue quite clearly, even here, as Dutchman in West-Ireland. The Banner talk 16:56, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting reference. He says "I'm Scottish by birth" not that he feels a Scott. He says "There's so much Scottishness in me" but not if he himself feels there's enough scottishness to justify calling him Schottish. In fact he concludes that he's clearly in favor of the unity of the UK, stating that it's "quite cool". I think we should conclude that he doesn't like being forced to pick. Therefor we should use a broad term. Then again, Ramsay himself, implies that "British" refers more to english people, rather than UK citizens in general... So, the question is, is there a word for "person from the United Kingdom" and if so, is that word British? Or does British imply someone from England?PizzaMan (♨♨) 14:41, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The present text says "Scottish born British chef". That should be good enough to keep POV and nationality issues out of the door. The Banner talk 19:44, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I totally agree. By the way, there used to be an invisible "please don't edit" tag, should we restore it? PizzaMan (♨♨) 14:32, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Scottish born British? That makes no sense and is the first time I've ever seen it used. Scottish people are British, Scotland is geographically part of the island of Britain. Saying Scottish born British is like saying New Yorker born American or Dubliner born Irish, etc. Do you see where I'm coming from? All Scottish people hold British passports, it'd be best just to put British. British does not imply someone from England, it implies anyone from the United Kingdom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truefalse94 (talk • contribs) 07:10, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It makes perfect sense, especially because a lot of people were editwarring over the fact that Ramsay self-identified as being Scottish. And it is technically correct, as he has a British passport (officially issued by the United Kingdom) and he is born in Scotland. The Banner talk</i> 14:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * "Scottish born British" doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. As that implies the Scottish aren't British. And there are already plenty of people ignorant of that fact who just assume "English = British". I think he should either be referenced as simply "British" or "Scottish born English". Preferably British as the latter wouldn't sit well with a lot of Scots. Stevenbfg (talk) 22:46, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Scottish people already hold British passports, to say he is Scottish born British is like saying you're a Rotterdammer born Dutchman, it makes no sense. This is the first time ever in Wikipedia from thousands of pages I've visited that I've seen someone been put down as Scottish born British. Saying "Scottish born British" implies that Scottish & British are separate identities like Nigerian and Brazilian, you would only put that down for say, someone born in one sovereign country and brought up in another, for example Norwegian born Canadian - two separate sovereign nations whereas Scotland is already geographically and political part of Britain and the United Kingdom. Scottish born British makes nil sense. It'd be best if he was just put down as "British"

He does actually refer to himself as Scottish at the opening of this interview. So, if he's also described himself as 'English', then 'British' would be balanced. Taras (talk) 19:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2015 = Gordon Ramsay now has 8 Michelin stars... though his website at this time says 7.
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Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2015 Ramsay Photo
Hi There,

This is Justin Mandel with Gordon Ramsay. We were wondering if we could change the picture to a new image, I've tried to upload it but it won't work

. Gordon holds the rights to it but is more than happy to allow Wikipedia to use it.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best, Justin

Justinmandel (talk) 19:46, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


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Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2015
Le pressoir d'argent
 * Bordeaux, France

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Factual Error on page. Edit request.
Hello, In the early cooking career section of this page it credits the "Rotarians" as sponsoring him through college. This is incorrect as it was in fact Round Table ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_Table_(club)) The referenced source (his autobiography) does actually state this plus other sources such as the book 'Gordon Ramsay On Top of the World', corroborate.' Could I request that this be edited please?

Thanks

62.253.144.71 (talk) 01:02, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I have added an edit semi-protected request template. Someone should come along either to remove it or to provide assistance. --Izno (talk) 12:39, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2016
Gordon James Ramsay, OBE (born 8 November 1966) is a Scottish-born British chef and restaurateur. should be changed to Gordon James Ramsay, OBE (born 8 November 1966) is a British chef and restaurateur.

British and Scottish are not mutually exclusive. All Wikipedia pages about Scots should preferably use the title in which the subjects self-identify with the most, or if it is not known, simply "British". This should especially be true in the came of someone with a less black and white background, being born and raised in two different constituent countries.

Literallystop (talk) 22:17, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. The current wording of Ramsay's nationality is a compromise backed by prior editor consensus established way back in 2008 - see Talk:Gordon Ramsay/Archive 2. Apparently, back then, there were many editing conflicts regarding how to phrase the nationality, and this was the ultimately decided upon conclusion. Yes, I agree with you, it does seem a bit odd, but it should be discussed first before changed. Mz7 (talk) 05:31, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Should be changed to British only. At the very least, the Wikipedia MOS should clarify this stuff. Kind of ridiculous, really. – Illegitimate Barrister, 19:16, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, Scottish born British makes absolutely no sense, especially from a guy who has identified as English, just British should done it and keep everyone happy, if you are Scottish Born you are a British, we may as well start calling every English person a British Born English person, no logical sense at all.

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2016
Today on The Late Late Show Gordon Ramsay said his wife was pregnant and will be expected to deliver in September. No other details provided.

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2016
Gordon starts in his kids tv show on cbbc from series 1 episode 1 to present matilda and the ramsay bunch

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Gordon Ramsay Holdings The Fat Cow is Closed/Controvery
I've never ever done this before, so be kind and gentle please! In the section on Gordon Ramsay holdings, the Fat Cow in Los Angeles is listed and talked about but it is now closed. The Eater stated it had some controversy too, about legal name changes for the place and also how the staff were treated. It was only open two years. This isn't mentioned anywhere I can see, but other restaurants that are closed now mention the closing date. Yelp reports it as closed too. Hopefully I did this right. If not, please do let me know and I will fix it. I learn fast!Michy (talk) 03:42, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2016
Please change 9 to 6 re. number of Michelin stars. Gordon Ramsay now has 6 stars

WhitNic (talk) 11:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, your source does not back up your claim. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 16:46, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Provide neutral sources that are not connected with the subject   MediaKill13   (  talk  )   06:19, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Proposal to get the semi-protection removed
The semi-protection has been on this article for years. Prior to send in the request, I like to hear the opinions here. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 16:52, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If you're willing to monitor it closely, I'd be willing to drop it down to pending changes to see how things go, on the understanding that it will go back up to semi-protection if there are lots of problems. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  19:12, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2016
Add to Television Since 2015 Gordon has starred in his daughter show Matilda and the Ramsay Bunch on CBBC.

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2016
Add Matilda Ramsay to his kids as she's got a Wikipedia page.

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 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: She is already listed as one of his children in the Family section, so I'm not sure exactly what you are wanting changed. Topher385 (talk) 13:15, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

"Scottish-born British" term
Makes no sense. Scotland is in Britain. He was born in Scotland, so he is Scottish. End of. It's like saying English-born British or Welsh-born British. It sounds and reads stupidly. Either use Scottish (which should be, since he was born there) or British as that is island wide. Using both is is saying essentially the same thing and is unnecessarily long-winded. — <b style="color:#595454">Calvin999</b> 00:02, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It's like saying "Californian-born American" or "Manitoban-born Canadian", it's just redundant and sounds sodding ridiculous since Scotland is part of the bloody U.K. to begin with! I'm going to be bold and remove it. – Illegitimate Barrister, 20:40, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Reverted. It is an ugly compromise between POV-pushers who call him Scottisch and POV-pushers who call him British. Both is in fact correct. Compromise is already some three years old. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:07, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The crux of the issue that he was born in Scotland but is not ethnically Scottish. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:50, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's POV-pushing to call him British; he is! But, I suppose this is to be expected. Wikipedian MOS does not have an explicit policy regarding identifying Britons, so the end result is that ridiculous things like this are to be expected. – Illegitimate Barrister, 00:18, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The distinction between nationality and ethnicity is also not recognised by many editors (and readers), the first is a legal status, the other is a cultural attribute. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 05:28, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * We usually refer to people on Wikipedia by their nationality only. Ethnicity is usually only referred to if it was an important part of that person's life and notoriety/fame. – Illegitimate Barrister, 06:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * How ugly it is, it saved the article a load of edit wars. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 07:59, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * A shame that disruptive editors can just use an edit war to get their way. But, Wikipedia's not perfect, I suppose. – Illegitimate Barrister, 19:23, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Sometimes you have to compromise... <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 19:46, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Sadly so. – Illegitimate Barrister, 12:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it should be changed to British. If not, then at least don't make it sound like he was born in another country. As mentioned, it's like saying Californian-born American, when California is the US and not a foreign nation (Unless you're from Texas reminiscing the ol Republic of Texas). I propose saying: (is a British chef, restaurateur, and television personality born in Scotland). (N0n3up (talk) 19:05, 21 June 2016 (UTC))
 * I have reverted the text to the original, stable version as it was I think since 2013. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 19:23, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The Banner It basically means the same thing, except without the grammatical error of making it sound that Ramsay was born in a foreign country? (N0n3up (talk) 20:22, 21 June 2016 (UTC))
 * Sorry, you are wrong. According to United Kingdom: The UK consists of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. . In effect, he lives in another country (England) then where he was born (Scotland). <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 20:33, 21 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The Banner, That's true but you're missing the point by saying that he was born in Scotland and Lives in England, because in that case it might as well be "Scottish-born English" or simply "British" since both are under the same sovereign state. But the thing is that it's all under the sovereign state of the UK. Thus in Wikipedia, we don't mention the country nor ethnic background, we go directly to the sovereign state, which is above the country because it sounds like he comes from another sovereign state. And we should be more concerned about being more accurately correct rather than edit-warring and being incorrect. (N0n3up (talk) 21:22, 21 June 2016 (UTC))
 * And where is that decided, N0n3up?
 * See also: Agnes Jekyll, Norman McLaren, Aminatta Forna. All Scottish-born British. Or Roger Blake, Myles Davies, Howard Thomas. All Welsh-born British. Or for instance Paul Marquess, Phil McNally, Heather Harper. All Northern Irish-born British.
 * So why is it suddenly wrong for Gordon Ramsey? <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 22:15, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The fact that Scottish-born keeps getting removed (I'm the latest) is telling. It's an extraneous term. Nowhere will you see him described in such a way. The arbitrary hidden note ("please don't change his nationality")...exactly, don't change what he is commonly known as. Wikipedia is meant to be encyclopedic, not come up with new terms at the whim of a user. RyanTQuinn (talk) 23:50, 4 August 2016 (UTC))
 * The facts that we had countless edits wars over Scottish/British (see the archives) gives a hint of why the ugly compromise was needed. But you seem to prefer the edit wars. Have fun with that. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 23:09, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Scottish-born British would only be appropriate if the two were not the same thing (for instance if Scotland were independent). Otherwise it's redundant. Ramsay being a Brit, that's what he is. What 'either side' (if there are sides in this) think is irrelevant. I've added his background to the lede which will hopefully end any issue. RyanTQuinn (talk) 00:46, 4 August 2016 (UTC))


 * Scottish by birth, UK chef Gordon Ramsay was brought up in Stratford-upon-Avon, England, (...)
 * Scottish celebrity chef Gordon Ramsay (...)
 * "I'm Scottish by birth but it would break my heart to see it divide as a unit. "There's so much Scottishness in me … and I understand the importance of individuality," he added, saying it was not his job to stop any move to break away. (...)
 * <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 00:41, 5 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Wasn't aware there was a discussion otherwise i'd have contributed. I took out "Scottish-born" as "Scottish-born British" is a neologism, as is Welsh-born Br, Northern-Irish born Br (i checked those articles and none of them have it). I didn't mention doing so in my edit summary as I saw it as a non issue. It's an invented term on here that looks odd. The description under the URL for Ramsay's website states; Official website. Award winning British chef, restaurant owner and focus of reality television show, "Hell's Kitchen". Biography.com. is not a proper source, also other weak sources will rehash Wikipedia material so it becomes circular when used on here. DRodgers11 (talk) 16:46, 5 August 2016 (UTC))
 * Maybe it is a neologism, but it is also a compromise to keep POV-pushers at bay. I have seen people calling him English, British, Scottish and a few unfriendly terms. That more or less stopped after the compromise, with the exception of people wanting to call him British. The compromise and the semi-protection are here for a reason... <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 22:44, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


 * To come back on an edit of User:Dodger67 from Februari: The crux of the issue that he was born in Scotland but is not ethnically Scottish. Why is he not considered to be "not ethnically Scottish"? How to you qualify to be "ethnically Scottish"? <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 20:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Banner, correct me if i'm wrong, it would appear that the only one with an issue is...Banner. Scottish-born British is nonsense. I'm Irish, I am from Northern Ireland. I'm not a Northern Irish-born Irishman...but even that wouldn't be as ridiculous as Scottish-born British as Scotland is part of Britain. Not only is it a nonsense term that a wiki contributor has come up with, it gives the false impression that Scotland and Britain are independent of each other. He's a Brit who was born in Scotland and grew up in England. RyanTQuinn (talk) 22:12, 12 August 2016 (UTC))
 * So, no answer on my questions. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:32, 12 August 2016 (UTC) Ow, and according to his biography, your statement above about where he grew up is incorrect.
 * Warwickshire is in England mate.RyanTQuinn (talk) 23:00, 12 August 2016 (UTC))
 * Your geography is okay, but Ramsays autobiography states that he lived multiple times in Glasgow. It also states that Ramsays father was once swimming for the Scottish team and that Ramsay is proud on his Scottish roots. That is why I asked the question: how do you classify to be "ethnically Scottish"? <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 07:13, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps User:DRodgers11 can answer this question, after his removal of "Scottish chef". <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 23:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

"Shortly after, Ramsey took a break from cooking, ya know, because he killed a guy in 1981." - what?
Additionally: "No seriously, he killed a guy in 1981."

What does that mean? Can't find any information on that. Sounds not that professional. What is going on here?

Missing space between " 1981.Ramsay " in any case. 78.55.164.62 (talk) 23:28, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Just vandalism by another anonymous user a few minutes before you posted, now reverted.Le Deluge (talk) 23:44, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

What is Scottish?
I have already asked a few times how somebody can qualify as being Scottish as that is th very reason of a lot of hassle on this page. There should be more Scottish people around than just Sean Connery! <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 18:56, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * On Wikipedia, the gold standard for identity is how someone describes themself, so if you can find an unambiguous statement of "I am British" or "I am Scottish" then go with that. Otherwise - British is black or white depending on whether you have a passport or not, Scottish is a shade of grey. You can have people who live all their lives in Scotland, who would identify themselves as British rather than Scottish, conversely you have the likes of Sean Connery who has lived most of his life outside Scotland but identifies as firmly Scots. So there's no fixed answer to your question. I identify as British, but I guess I have a classic Anglo-Scots background with family members who have lived all their lives on one or other side of the border, and blood ties to both England and Scotland that go back centuries. So I completely understand Ramsay when he talks of having Scottishness in him - but just speaking for myself that element of Scottishness doesn't make me Scottish, it makes me British with Scottish heritage. The current article gives the passport definition of Ramsay's nationality, and mentions the birthplace and upbringing in the next sentence. In the absence of definite word from the man himself, that looks right to me. Le Deluge (talk) 14:33, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ow, there is in fact evidence that he self-identifies as Scottish. But sources who confirm that are routinely rejected and removed. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 15:07, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't see any self-identification as Scottish in the above, other than the bit about having some Scottishness in him. As do I, and it's a part of who I am - but it's not a defining characteristic of me and apparently him. All I can say is that I seem in a pretty similar position to him, and I'd be OK if the current lede was written about me, and I'd be a bit upset if I was described as either Scottish (with no qualification), or Scottish-born British. Like Ramsay we moved from my place of birth when I was very small and while it is obviously a significant biographical detail I don't regard it as so defining that it would need to be in the opening sentence of my Wiki article. I think in the current environment, the fact that Ramsay self-identifies as a Unionist is as close as we'll get to saying that he's British first and Scottish (or English) second.Le Deluge (talk) 16:26, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not particularly relevant what other people think but I happened to see this opinion poll in which a minority of Scots thought Ramsay was Scottish. I was just amused that this was something considered interesting enough to poll people on.Le Deluge (talk) 08:45, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Current Restaurants
Current Restaurants to be edited. Both "Gordon Ramsay at the London restaurants in the USA are now closed. Confirmed by his open restaurant page.

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Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2017
No request made.  Tide  rolls  18:09, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Proper Formal Title
Gordon Ramsay is a winner of the Order of the British Empire, as indicated in his bio, and, accordingly, should be referred to as his proper title of 'Sir'. Sir Patrick Stewart, OBE has his title included properly, which is why the lack for Ramsay confuses me. User:TheLearnedSoldier 08:21, 7 November 2016‎ (UTC)
 * An OBE doesn't entitle you to the prefix "Sir". Stewart received the OBE in 2001 and was made a Knight Bachelor in 2010; he was only entitled to use "Sir" after the knighthood in 2010. So there's no confusion - Ramsay is not a knight, so he can't be called "Sir".Le Deluge (talk) 01:15, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2016
Is it possible to please update the profile images with this up to date image of Gordon Ramsay supplied by the Gordon Ramsay Group?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Black_shirt_for_head_shot.jpg NeliMiteva (talk) 10:54, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I want to verify before we use it: Are you sure you want to release that image under a Creative Commons license? --Izno (talk) 13:08, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * And secondly, do you actually have authority to do so? --Izno (talk) 13:10, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think it should be a foregone conclusion that the "profile image(s)" be replaced by this new one. I prefer File:Gordon_Ramsay.jpg for the infobox, especially since it shows him as a chef. To me the black shirt picture is of limited use since it doesn't illustrate anything noteworthy about Ramsay. Where would it go in the article? DIY Editor (talk) 00:55, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. -- <b style="color:blue">Dane 2007 </b> talk  19:39, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Images from Gordon Ramsay Group
, who according to the user page works for Gordon Ramsay Group, has suggested another image on my user talk page. Normally I would tend to be put off this kind of direct promotion but at least they are being honest about the COI. It is an opportunity to use a fairly high quality image that shows Ramsay as he is best known. Personally, I like the expression and overall quality in the current image, but I wanted to forward this suggestion to this talk page to give others the opportunity to review the images. —DIY Editor (talk) 06:24, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Suggesting while having a COI is not illegal. But I like to turn the suggestion in a request. Those posing pictures are fine, but a picture of a chef in action (really cooking!!) would be far better! <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 11:09, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You are correct and I think we should even be welcoming of representatives of celebrities who may have high quality professional photos to offer. —DIY Editor (talk) 06:07, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. I can source a pic of Gordon in action but can we use the pic of Gordon in chefs whites that I supplied in the meantime? NeliMiteva (talk) 16:57, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2017
Where it says Europe at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Ramsay#Restaurants_owned_or_operated_by_Ramsay, it should actually say "Rest of Europe", as United Kingdom has been mentioned separately. Or the restaurants in United Kingdom should be included under th Europe category. Vik1395 (talk) 04:02, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  04:31, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2017
I want to add to personal life Gordon Ramasy 6 feet 3 inches in height and has a shoe size of 15 Amy foster (talk) 17:15, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2017
Gordon Ramasy height 6ft 3 inches shoe size 15 mentioned on here a reliable source the internet movie database http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1451059/ ? Amy foster (talk) 17:33, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2017
in personal life add height 6 feet 3 inches source youtube.com./fword series 2 episode 1 Gordon refers to his height so this is accurate source as from himself


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I removed "Scotland-born British"
Scotland is part of Britain, so just putting British is fine. Pc Retro (talk) 13:57, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, hide the fact that he is Scottish. It might be embarrassing for the English to know that their best chef is not one of them. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 14:08, 29 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Please, not again. See "Nationality" (2008), "Nationality in lead sentence(again)" (2009), "Scottish-Born English?" (2013), "Shouldn't be called Scottish" (2014/15), "'Scottish-born British' term" (2016), What is Scottish? (2016). ---Sluzzelin  talk  20:39, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I am afraid that it will keep showing up till the day he can show his Scottish passport. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:39, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

New Girl guest apperance
Add his guest apperance on FOX show New Girl Season 6 Episode 16 "Operation: Bobcat" Nexus 5 (talk) 11:56, 17 July 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ —DIYeditor (talk) 12:12, 17 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Is a single guest appearance in a show relevant? I doubt it. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 12:24, 17 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, I saw that there was already a "Guest appearances" subsection with similar entries so I didn't see any harm. Isn't this fairly typical for entertainment articles? Appearing on television is what Ramsay is notable for in general... —DIYeditor (talk) 13:39, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Ramsay is notable for his cooking and Michelin stars. His TV-shows only came after he was awarded the Michelin stars. But a simple, to-the-point list of guest appearances can be added unless it gets overly long. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 15:27, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * You are correct, he is a notable chef and restaurateur, as well as published author. The television appearances at least on his own shows are quite notable as well though, and I would guess where most people know him from. —DIYeditor (talk) 16:43, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

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