Talk:Gorean subculture/Archive 1

French article
In response to the late May media coverage, an article has been added to the French wikipedia which is really quite full of nonsense (it's fr:Goréanisme, where even the article name is rather dodgy). If anyone has reasonably good French, they might want to take a look at it (my level of French is such as not to give me great confidence when writing anything beyond a simple declarative sentence). AnonMoos 07:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * P.S. It finally got deleted after several months... AnonMoos 14:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Goreans on the Internet
I removed the following reference as just a self serving link to an obscure group claiming to be Gorean. "A strong Gorean society has grown in the community of Linden Labs' "Second Life", an online virtual world. There is little contact between Gorean and other users." I added comments about Gorean email lists and forums. Malkinius 12:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Obscure roleplaying groups advertising their places of play will continue to be removed.
 * Malkinius 11:05, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I added a "citation needed" tag after "Many of the virtual Goreans have only online knowledge and have not actually read the books." While it may be obvious to anyone who has actually read the books that this is so, I believe that this statement is opinion, rather than fact. SkyRich 18:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * How about "Some virtual Goreans are much more concerned with the conventions which have developed among role-players than with fidelity to the Gor books"? AnonMoos 17:40, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know. Certainly "Many of the virtual Goreans have only online knowledge and have not actually read the books" is true, and all too many examples wander the online channels, but is this something for which a citation is needed?  You could google for variations on that statement; I know I've said it online more than once.  Also, maybe there should be a mention of online conventions, but I'm not going to write it tonight.  Wyvern 09:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It is entirely true, and since this quote refers to online forums, these forums can be used as a reference, as they are primary sources. I don't participate on any of them, since I'm not a Gorean, and the people at such forums tend to be rather hostile and confrontational, but someone who does can probably add a source.
 * In my opinion, the citation needed tag can safely be removed.
 * As a side note, this article portrays a rather "rosy" picture, in that it may well describe a silent majority of the Gorean community (which should be cited, however), but it certainly does not describe the rather vocal Goreans very well, many of which even verbaly attack posters for requesting further information about the lifestyle. CollarMe may be a good reference for that segment of the Gorean population, as well as demonstrating the great variability between them. It should also illustrate the fact that if Gorean lifestyle is to be considered anything other than a subset of BDSM (particularly D/s or TPE), then a very large segment of the BDSM population needs another word to describe them, as "total" slavery, absence of safewords, rituals, et cetera are nothing new to a significant portion of the BDSM community. Zuiram 00:18, 5 November 2006 (UTC)