Talk:Gossip Girl/Archive 1

Cast image
I have no involvement in this show, or this page, and no involvement with the fact that the image of the cast has recently been nominated for deletion. A recent edit removed the notice of pending deletion, which is a really bad idea. If you like the image and think that there is good reason to keep it here as a way of providing increased understanding of the article, you will have to engage with the nomination for deletion.

As a courtesy, you should be aware that the use of non-free content on wikipedia, such as this image, has recently been subject to a lot of debate. It may take a bit of time to get up to speed on the relevant issues. Personally, I am in favour of the use of non-free images that contribute to understanding, and I think you may have a good case for that with this image, especially given the role of fashion in the show, for which images can really help understand this aspect. On the other hand, I have a feeling this particular image might be a bit out of date. It was taken in May. That's up to you; you are the experts on the content matters.

As a help for engaging this, check the following links.
 * The official  policy on non-free content. This is what you have to apply to justify using the image.
 * The  guidline on non-free content, intended to help explain how the policy works.
 * The image page itself, which will need to have a fair-use rationale. Image:0000039823 20070517133204.jpg
 * The recently developed  non-free use rationale guideline, to help in producing a good rationale.
 * The page where the nomination for delete is being discussed,  here.

I really recommend reading the policy and guidelines, and keeping in mind the need for civility and  assuming good faith. The nomination for deletion is not malicious, though it may be disputed if you disagree with reasons for deletion. One requirement under present guidelines is that the image rationale on the image page actually sets out where the image is to be used and for what purpose on that particular page. There is also a template that may be useful. Examples of some rationales I helped put together recently with this template can be seen at Image:Time evolution wars.jpg and Image:ThisWeekInGod.jpg.

Do check whether your image is actually up to date. I think it was originally at the CW website, but that they have since removed it for some reason. &mdash;Duae Quartunciae (talk · cont)  02:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Viewer and critical response
Is it me or does the Viewer and critical response look very advertised and fake?? User:labohemianartist 10:31, 27 September 2007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.96.47.130 (talk) 02:33, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

TV episode articles
Currently, the titles of TV episodes (example) all redirect to List of Gossip Girl episodes, apparently redirected by User:TTN with good reason; all of these do not have real-life sources. Now an arbcom case is about to end with results expected not to favor TTN's actions, the injunction on halting redirecting, proposals for deletion and reversion of the two actions will end so it will be a free-for-fall once again. However to prevent that from happening, all "restorations" of the articles must be based on real-life sources or else there will be an edit war. In fact, after reading the article histories, most of the content is derived almost word-for-word from Gossip Girl's blog herself so I don't know what should be done about that (maybe deletion of the old edits to start from scratch). -- Howard  the   Duck  15:12, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

If anyone wants to help in "resurrecting" the episode articles, there is a draft at User:Howard the Duck/GG. -- Howard  the   Duck  14:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Im confused?!?!?
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I love this show!!!!!but am so confused to why it suddenly started again???or are we still looking into the past??either way i like it!!!anyone shed some light?Piper —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.102.227 (talk) 10:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Spin-off
I know claims have been denied of a spin-off, but I read earlier today that the claims were actually true. I actually read it in a gossip mag, so the info should not be included yet. Just wanted to give a heads up.  Corn.u.co.pia ŢĐЌ  Disc.us.sion  13:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Region 4 DVD
There is currently no confirmed DVD release date for the series on Region 4, so can whoever adds it to the page please stop. It has not even been submitted for classification by the OFLC yet: Blaedvanderwoodsen (talk) 16:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Characters
I have noticed that the characters page redirects to the information on the novel's characters. While many of the characters have similar qualitites and life events as the characters in the novels, there are some very interesting differences in the series, such as Nate's current affair fling, Erik's sexuality, and others. I was wondering if perhaps we should create a character section/page that focuses on the characters and their developments during the course of the television series (citing specific episodes, of course). --Vg0131 (talk) 19:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * List of characters in Gossip Girl is exclusively devoted to the characters as they appear on the show; the characters as they were portrayed on the books can be found on Gossip Girl. The character articles have sections devoted to both book and TV portrayals. – Howard  the   Duck  12:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Shameless plug
– Howard  the   Duck  17:47, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Hilary Duff
Sources say that Hilary duff was going to join the cast in a multi-episode arc but that doesn't mean she has to be added to the starring cast for now we will just edit her out and leave her as the recurring character  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackie23 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

NY Palace Hotel
FYI...the "Gossip Girl" crew has actually been filming there this week. So although they've made sets to resemble the Palace Hotel, they are really there! --204.246.229.131 18:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

OMG! How amazing! I've GOT to go there too!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.122.241.246 (talk) 17:08, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

The Blair and Serena Issue
All right, I'd attempted to help resolve this, but SmallHill seems to have handled it better than I could've. :) Anyway, there's been some friction here in recent days regarding the characters Blair and Serena, specifically with regards to who gets credited first, who gets labeled what, and who gets mentioned first. I currently think that the version as of today, with SmallHill's added sources, is probably for the best. It's worth mentioning that the person billed first isn't necessarily the main character (Josh Schwartz's previous show, The O.C., serves as an example of this). However, we shouldn't label anyone the "main character" -- whether they're billed first or second -- unless we have a reliable source which says the same. With regard to credits, those should indeed be listed in the show's official order. -- James26 (talk) 19:52, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

If there's a main character, it's the titular narrator...people have "friction" over the strangest things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.34.181 (talk) 05:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

"International distribution"
Do we really need that section? Right now it is an unsourced, seemingly pointless, list of countries that airs Gossip Girl. House (TV series), Firefly (TV series) and The Simpsons doesn't have it, and they are all featured articles. Lost (TV series) is a formerly featured article, and it doesn't have it either. Thoughts? Nymf hideliho! 23:28, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree. I just posted posted on someone's page who has made the same changes to Nikita (TV series). If you want to just blank the section, then I won't object. But keeping the UK is advisable as it's one of the few shows that airs pretty much the same time as the U.S. (Just Gossip Girl and The Vampire Diaries). Jayy008 (talk) 23:31, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Already done, no matter. Jayy008 (talk) 00:01, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

A bit of a copy of the soap opera series Rebelde (Mexico), originally from Rebelde Way Elite School (Argentina)
After finishing The OC, it was rumored that Schwartz was interested on remaking this story but adapted for the American young audience (Just like Rebelde Elite School). The format is almost the same, the uniforms, the school, the "elite" thing. So is there any chance that Schwartz ended up finding a friend who "rewrote" and "adapted" the story in a book series on his name called Gossip Girl to avoid paying copyrights? Even some of the episodes are copied. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.93.16 (talk) 05:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The first Gossip Girl novel was published the same year that Rebelde Way Elite School debuted. One year before the OC debuted, and two years before Rebelde. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.236.19 (talk) 18:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So... Most likely not —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.236.19 (talk) 23:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Gossip Girl which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 08:00, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Series end change to Future
I'm proposing that the section title "series end" be changed to "future" under WP:MOSHEAD. Any major changes to the page such as a section title should be put up for discussion so I'm wondering if anyone has any opposition to that or if it's fine to do. Ryanlively (talk) 19:26, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * No objection from me. Jayy008 (talk) 18:48, 19 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Future is a lot more than a possible series ending. Future is whatever is next, which is the following episode(s)/season(s). I stand by my comment that I think it is an WP:UNDUE section. Nymf hideliho! 23:57, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Removal of "Future" section
I am proposing that the "Future" section be removed from the page. At this point it seems unnecessary and undue. I don't think it has enough information to carry it's own section. Ryanlively (talk) 02:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * There was some argument between ClaudeKade11 and I about it. An Admin decided it was best to put it in a "future" section on it's own. I liked it in the lead, but I was overruled on that. Jayy008 (talk) 11:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Is the information valuable enough to have anywhere in that case? Ryanlively (talk) 19:36, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the future section should probably be removed. Mainly because "future" means anything from now, and has nothing to do with the end specifically. Nymf hideliho! 19:47, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

I suppose it doesn't have to stay there. Should the information be kept and put somewhere else? Jayy008 (talk) 22:49, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I personally don't really think that the information is notable enough to be included on the page, but if you think so, then I guess you could put it somewhere else. Ryanlively (talk) 23:49, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thinking about it, I do see that information doesn't really have a place. Jayy008 (talk) 16:48, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Crew of Gossip Girl (same as Crew of Deadwood/Crew of The Shield)
Directors: Norman Buckley (10 episodes, 2007-2011) Mark Piznarski (9 episodes, 2007-2010) Patrick Norris (7 episodes, 2007-2011) J. Miller Tobin (7 episodes, 2007-2011) Tony Wharmby (7 episodes, 2007-2010) Janice Cooke (5 episodes, 2008-2010) Joe Lazarov (5 episodes, 2008-2010) Michael Feields (4 episodes, 2007-2008) Andrew McCarthy (4 episodes, 2010-2011) Jean de Segonzac (3 episodes, 2008-2010) Jeremiah S. Chechik (3 episodes, 2010-2011) Lee Shallat-Chemel (2 episodes, 2007-2010) Allison Liddi-Brown (2 episodes, 2009-2011) Ron Fortunato (2 episodes, 2009-2010) John Stephens (2 episodes, 2009) Writers: Stephanie Savage (Head Writer) (58 episodes, 2007-2011) Josh Schwartz (57 episodes, 2007-2011) Cecily von Ziegesar (57 episodes, 2007-2011) Joshua Safran (16 episodes, 2007-2011) Robert Hull (10 episodes, 2008-2011) Amanda Lasher (10 episodes, 2008-2011) Jessica Queller (8 episodes, 2007-2011) Sara Goodman (8 episodes, 2009-2011) Lenn K. Rosenfeld (7 episodes, 2007-2010) Leila Gerstein (7 episodes, 2009-2011) K.J. Steinberg (4 episodes, 2007-2011) Felicia D. Henderson (4 episodes, 2007-2008) John Stephens (4 episodes, 2008-2009) Jake Coburn (4 episodes, 2009-2011) Alexandra McNally (3 episodes, 2008-2011) Etan Frankel (2 episodes, 2008-2009) Jeanne Leitenberg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.21.217 (talk) 16:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Airdates
Guys, please remember that Wikipedia is an international project, not an American one. We go by original airdate not first American airdate. And remember to cite your sources. (re: edit war at List of Gossip Girl episodes) Matthew 16:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Just to add my two cents: all of the airdates listed are AMERICAN. If this was truly an international project, it would list the correct original airdates. It's common knowledge that the episodes generally air 1 if not 2 days prior in Canada, yet these airdates are never listed. TV.com only lists American airdates, therefore their sources are not reliable. 99.247.236.34 (talk) 05:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Can I also add that an airdate has been listed for Australia (Dec 4 2007). Gossip Girl is currently airing on Fox8 but I keep seeing edits that it will also re-air on another channel. So far the only source for this goes back to around June 2007 however this is clearly outdated. Channel Nine have since onsold the broadcast rights to Fox8, and have have since not indicated that they will even air it. I just think it's misleading to list it as airing on 2 channels particularly if there is are no sources proving this. Please prove me wrong! Therefore I think it should be cleaned up. Bdenwinter (talk) 09:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Air Date for a tv series should be thoese of the country of production meaning if the show is produced in America the US air dates are listed. If a show is made in Ireland the Irish air dates are the ones to be listed in the main article. You can include international air dates in the season page beneath the episodes list.Liam74656 (talk) 21:00, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

197 Countries
Gossip Girl is not broadcasted in 197 countries. By most accounts there are only around 196 countries in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.10.20.159 (talk) 02:24, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Cast and characters section removal
Seeing as there is now a section about casting in the article, I'm questioning the remaining purpose of the "cast and characters" section. The introduction of the article gives information about the basis of the show and the characters, the casting section offers information about the casting of the main actors. But now that both of those sections exist separately, I don't think that the "cast and characters" section is is needed. It only now serves to reiterate information already told in the rest of the article, with the respect of information about supporting cast and characters. Ryanlively (talk) 16:24, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Lead is supposed to some up an article, information can't be in the lead if it isn't in the article as well. I do agree that casting should be enough, but it's general that characters are included too. I'm not sure if it's a rule? I'll give you the link so you can bring it up at Wiki project? This is a more general issue for television articles across the board. Jayy008 (talk) 16:50, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Well I was also thinking if not a removal of the section (which may be a bit much) then a merging of sections? Combining the "casting" section with the "cast and characters" section? Ryanlively (talk) 16:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know if you'd get clearance for something like that. Things like this are usually discussed at the tv page itself, and not individual shows. But I don't think it would go very far. I personally prefer how 90210 is, with just a box of the characters & a casting section. Jayy008 (talk) 20:58, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I slept on the idea and I think everything is fine the way it is. I just thought everything was a little repetitive but looking at it now I think its fine. Ryanlively (talk) 22:59, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * My personal opinion is that in the "characters" section, it should only be regulars. But I don't think many agree. Jayy008 (talk) 16:14, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi! To me there's still a problem. As Ryanlively said, I think "Casting" and "Cast and Characters" are a bit repetitive but maybe it's the way it is done on wikipedia, I don't know. It's been a year the subject has been discussed and the article has changed since so could you re-read the article? Kaylee DeFer, for example, has just been recently added to "Cast and Characters", which is normal according to Jay008 since she is now a regular and I provided a source to that but shouldn't it be preferrable to mention her in "Casting" and then explain her role in "Cast and Characters" so that it follows the article's structure? But then again it might be repetitive... --Sofffie7 (talk) 15:25, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The Kaylee Defer sentence definitely do not belong under the "Cast and characters" header. It should be written from purely an "in-world perspective", so to speak. Nymf hideliho! 16:04, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Infobox
Hi everyone! I just want to let you all know that IP user 216.227.18.134 did some changes on the infobox. For example, he added Cecily von Ziegesar as a writer and specified it was for the novels. I'm not sure it should stay that way because she's not a writer from the show. OK, the series is based on her books but that's it. She didn't write any episode so... Besides, she is named in the lead. Isn't it enough? --Sofffie7 (talk) 16:44, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: article not moved Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0  06:53, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Gossip Girl → Gossip Girl (TV series) – I tried the move before, but users said that this is the main topic and should be called just Gossip Girl. Well, I don't think it should. For example the show Game of Thrones is titled on Wikipedia as Game of Thrones (TV series). Gossip Girl should be titled as Gossip Girl (TV series). Bob Mono (talk) 14:16, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * So you want Gossip Girl to be a disambiguation page? I think the TV series is very likely to be the primary topic here. Game of Thrones is a different case, and I don't know the particulars of that. Osiris (talk) 15:08, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. As per the previous WP:RM when it was moved here and as it is the primary topic. By looking at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, we can see that one of the criterias is "usage, if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term". If we look at the statistics for the TV series here and the novel series here, we can see that the TV series gets about 475 000 hits per month, whereas the novel gets about 25 000 hits a month. That makes the television series 20 times more popular than the novel series, clearly making it the primary topic. Nymf hideliho! 15:15, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The TV series is quite clearly the PT. Zarcadia (talk) 18:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Per WP:OTHERSTUFF and Other stuff exists, you cannot realistically make a convincing argument based solely on what another article like Game of Thrones (TV series) does because each page may have different issues. I need to see something based more on the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC guidelines to convince me otherwise for the "Gossip Girl" pages. Even WP:TV-NAME says that "(TV series)" should only be used when disambiguation is required (i.e. when it is not the primary topic). Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:32, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. Previous discussion: 1
 * Oppose – TV series is a primary topic. undefined — Bill william compton  Talk   17:41, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
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Wikipedia Entry for Gossip Girl Costume Designer Eric Daman declined :(
Hello. Asking if anyone with a better understanding of Wikipedia is able to offer help. I have twice been declined on the article, titled Eric Daman, that I submitted to wikipedia. It's been twice declined... on the grounds that the article does not sufficiently establish  notability and was declined for being self promotion. Is anyone who is a fan of GG (and who knows the ins and outs of wikipedia) interested in offering advice or assistance? if so please let me know? thanks! Brian Lee Boyce brianleeboyce Brianleeboyce (talk) 16:35, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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Requested move 31 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: No move. There is no support for the move after over a week, and requests for additional information supporting the move have not been supplied. Cúchullain t/ c 17:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

– Being that the series has been off air for over four years and that the novel series existed much longer than the TV series, I have determined that there is no primary topic and that "Gossip Girl" should be the disambiguation page. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:4C67:276E:19E3:C6D2 (talk) 19:27, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Gossip Girl → Gossip Girl (TV series)
 * Gossip Girl (disambiguation) → Gossip Girl
 * I'm inclined to oppose based on |Gossip_Girl|Gossip_Girl_(novel_series)|Gossip_Girl:_Acapulco|Gossip_Girl_(EP) page view stats. The TV show gets many more views than all the other topics combined. Unless there is evidence showing long-term significance for the other topics, I don't see any reason to move. older ≠ wiser 19:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No relevant information has been produced to show the television series is not the primary topic, whereas there is such evidence to support the idea that it is. Nohomersryan (talk) 03:31, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You say you have "determined" that there is no primary topic: how have you determined this and what evidence did you use? 86.130.177.16 (talk) 17:34, 1 June 2017 (UTC)


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