Talk:Gossip Girl season 4

Illeana Douglas
Now llleana Douglas has dropped out of the project, should I remove the information all together? I don't personally think it's notable now. Jayy008 (talk) 21:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

We provide information as it happens, while not notable to you, it's not just your opinion that matters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmagicvamp (talk • contribs) 16:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Erm, excuse me. I never said it did, hence the discussion. If I thought it was my opinion that mattered, I would have made the edit. Common sense says you don't make a discussion if you have that attitude. Yes, information as it happens, but the actress will never be a part of the show. Jayy008 (talk) 17:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that its still relevant information for now. Information about the role of the character itself is relevant, casting wise, along with any changes. Ryanlively (talk) 22:08, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your opinion. When the new person is in, could we just say "person replaced Illeana Douglas in the role, who had previously dropped out due to scheduling conflicts". Kind of merging the two and not having too much information. What do you think? Jayy008 (talk) 23:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * That sounds perfect. That's exactly what I was thinking could be done once the role was recast. Ryanlively (talk) 16:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Great! Thanks for getting involved in the discussion! Jayy008 (talk) 18:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Special Guest Appearances
Should there be a section in the starring section that includes special guest stars, such as the celebrity cameo appearances? There used to be a section there but is was removed and as well the 90210 (season 3) page includes a special guest stars section. Ryanlively (talk) 22:14, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * There haven't been "Special Guest Stars" in this season. I had a Cameo section, but it was discussed at Project TV, and it was decided it's not notable as a list :(. So I removed them. I liked them there too! Jayy008 (talk) 23:16, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok. But I do feel the need to argue that Tim Gunn was an actual guest star as he made several appearances in the episode Easy J. The others I would agree were not notable, but Tim Gunn's appearance had to do with the storyline. Do you think he should be added to the guest stars section? Or should we make a special guest stars section and add him to it? Ryanlively (talk) 23:26, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Was he credited, though? I don't think the episode credited him. If he was credited as a "Special Guest Star" then 100% add him, but I can't remember without watching the beginning of the episode again, which I can do if needed. Jayy008 (talk) 23:58, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh ok, you're right, he wasn't credited, I just watched the beginning of the episode over again. Ryanlively (talk) 02:10, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe he was credited at the end in the credits? Throughout the series they listed minor appearing characters there. jmagicvamp (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC).


 * Yeah but I think that's the point. If he's credited at the end of the show as a minor character, then he isn't important enough to be listed on the page. Ryanlively (talk) 05:05, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I second that Ryan, thanks for opening this discussion. Jayy008 (talk) 18:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Empire of the Son
The summary of this particular show is expanded because after this show will be in mid-season hiatus, and this section will act as base of whole season's story line-up after the hiatus. Previous summaries of episodes are quite insufficient to do so. undefinedBill william compton Talk  19:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * No other episode summaries are this long. You cannot make exceptions for this one in particular. Ryanlively (talk) 20:48, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If other summaries ain't well covered than it doesn't mean that it will be applicable for all. If you think that it is too long than please modify it accordingly, but try to not to miss important points. I was aware of it and tried my best to keep it as short as possible, but it was the limit. You can check my edits on The Vampire Diaries (season 2) where also i expand the summaries, and they are all fully supported by other users; who also help to modify them. So i hope better response here also.  undefinedBill william compton  Talk  20:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Episode 11 is also a mid-season finale, that one is not as expanded as this one is. The reason the episode summaries are short is to give the main points, but without giving too much of the episode away. This is not a spoiler site. Also, on other Gossip Girl season pages, other episode summaries are not as long (other than the Very first episode, which holds more prominence than this one). Ryanlively (talk) 21:11, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Try to understand my point, if previous episodes were not well covered than it doesn't make stigma on other future episodes too. You say episode summaries are kept short to give main points, but what the need of that irrelevant information these main points are giving which will only confuse the viewers. I'm the regular viewer of the show, in spite of which i'd get puzzle by reading previous summaries; and perhaps you don't know what is the meaning of spoiler site, spoilers leak the plots of the episodes in advance, not after the broadcast of the show. If this article is not providing genuine information to its viewers than there is no need of such articles.  undefinedBill william compton  Talk  21:34, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * No episode summary is allowed to be that long, it doesn't matter if it's on hiatus or not per guidelines. I'm going to go ahead and revert the edits. Jayy008 (talk) 21:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand what you mean. Some of the previous episode summaries are too short (like one or two sentences) and should be expanded, which I am trying to work on now. But in expanding episode summaries, there is no need for an episode summary to be the length of an essay, because then it gives away too much information, to the point that you do not need to watch the episode, that is what I meant by spoiler site. Also, in reading your expanded version of "Empire of the Son" there are a lot of grammatical errors which is also another reason I reverted the edit in the first place. The last edit I made I added a couple more plot points about the storylines that I thought were relevant enough to add the episode summary. But again, you can add information about the main points without it being that long, you do not need to add every detail about the article. Ryanlively (talk) 21:50, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, some good be longer too. If this problem persists I can find the relevant guidelines. But that's a lot of effort, I'm sure this can be resolved now. Jayy008 (talk) 21:57, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: My whole aim was to make the article more informative, not to fall in any kind of disputation. If Ryanlively you found grammatical errors in the article than you should correct them not to remove the whole summary. I also understands complete plot of the episode couldn't be written here; i also told you that i tried to keep it as small as possible, but when you know whole thing than hardly you could skip any relevant part, for this i asked for re-modification by any other's perspective, but removal of whole summary by Jayy008 is not a valid solution of the problem.  undefinedBill william compton  Talk  22:11, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If you read my comments, which you seem to not have done, you'd see my reasons. It doesn't matter who supports it on the TVD page. Summaries should be no longer than 2-3 sentences. This is guidelines, that's the only reason I removed it, that's the solution. No problem, no discussion, no issues. Guidelines are guidelines. If you want to change the guidelines I can show you where to bring it up for discussion? Which, to be honest, I'd support if they were a little longer. Jayy008 (talk) 23:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If this is the only solution than i'd like to propose this very important amendment in these guidelines. Should i do it on the talk page of WikiProject Television, or where?, see within 2-3 sentences you hardly could understand the plot of the story; it would be better if we'd allow little more words limit. undefinedBill william compton  Talk  02:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There not for describing plot, they're for summing up the episode. There's a section for plot. I don't know where these guidelines are, it was just told to everyone when there was a similar issue at Nikita or Hellcats, can't remember which. But you're right at where to bring it. Jayy008 (talk) 21:58, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

well if you do not know where this guideline is then how do you know you are right? how do you know that Summaries should be no longer than 2-3 sentences.? it is not here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS:TV#Episode_listing instead it says 100-200 words. the 2-3 lines you insist upon are like 80 words. these summaries can be much longer according to that. please explain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.38.4.80 (talk) 20:30, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * There was a discussion over at Nikita, I think it was. Even if it is 100-200 words, the summary was like 3/4 times that. Jayy008 (talk) 22:00, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Cover Art
I know this an American series, and the American cover should take precedent. However, the UK cover is an actual DVD cover with a photoshoot, shouldn't that one be used instead? Rather than the U.S. one simply made of screen shots. Jayy008 (talk) 20:23, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you answered your own question there lol. If it were a UK series, then the DVD cover art that you are talking about (which I have seen) would be used, but not in this case. But also, the UK cover art for the DVD only has the four female main cast members and not the other three main male cast members. The US cover at least features all main cast members, so it doesn't make sense to use it for that reason in my eyes because idk why they would exclude them from the cover, but in any case, the first reason is why the current is preferred. And btw, have you seen the cover art for 90210 season three? Ryanlively (talk) 22:53, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

My only thoughts was that the UK cover is a real cover. But I'm not too fussed either way. Now 90210, that's a discussion for the talk-page lol. Jayy008 (talk) 09:38, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Someone has replaced the previous, proper version of the DVD cover art with the previous edition of the cover art. This needs to be changed. Th cover art is now the same in the US and UK, and in addition, the US version would take precedent as was discussed above. Cover art should never be changed without proper discussion and consensus. Ryanlively (talk) 05:49, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

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