Talk:Gotham City

Gotham is now a Western city?
Maybe I'm misreading the announcement, but DC's new All-Star Western series (see here) has Jonah Hex relocating to Gotham. We should watch to see what clues the new series gives us about Gotham's location, especially if it's in a book titled "Western".... Aristophanes 68  (talk)  16:20, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I think Western refers to the genre, not an official location. Lots42 (talk) 08:09, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but the location follows the genre. Westerns are set on "the frontier", the edge of civilisation where bounty hunters like Hex are needed to round up outlaws, while "back East" is the settled and comfortable area where unworldly city-folk come from.


 * So I agree with Aristophanes68, the portrayal of Gotham in this book should give some clues to its location. If Jonah is a fish-out-of-water in a moderately large city with a modern police force, and the local criminals are more like the Gangs of New York than the Wild Bunch, then Gotham's probably on the East Coast. If it's more like a frontier boom town just developing into a city, it's more likely to be in the West. 86.152.78.45 (talk) 19:50, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Important city information
Unfortunately, Cincinnati was deleted from being listed as an urban inspiration for the city, alongside Pittsburgh and New York et al., in the intro/opener. This needs to be redone to include it, as it's urban subway system and museum center served as key inspirations, as well as its overall Art-Deco style. Please undo the deletion. --Evidian8 (talk) 06:51, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


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 * As for the material in question, please see Verifiability, No Original Research, Identifying Reliable Sources. Thank you. Nightscream (talk) 07:25, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Infodump: Sources and reading material for the Nolanverse Gotham City
I don't know if you already have these, but...


 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/meryddian/911234291/sizes/l/in/photostream/
 * http://www.karridian.net/dcusa_ne.html
 * http://www.slashfilm.com/cool-stuff-official-map-christopher-nolans-gotham-city/
 * http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=181500&stc=1&d=1343493625
 * http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=75092&d=1248406679
 * http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb57088/batman/images/f/fc/Gotham_map.jpg
 * http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7jml4GWAJ1rbdz64o1_1280.png
 * http://batman.wikibruce.com/images/2/2e/Gothammap.jpg
 * http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Gotham_City
 * http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7lnb3m2ik1rbdz64o1_1280.jpg
 * https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x_z1e37zSvo/UCGgkM7dzcI/AAAAAAAAALw/re78nH0_d38/s640/Gotham%2520county%2520B%2520red.png
 * http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/4/48/Bludhaven_map.jpg

Of course, this doesn't explain why the Chicago Sears Tower is visible in TDK but the NYC Freedom Tower is visible in TDKR... :-)

Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 23:10, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Your work is appreciated. However, sites with user-generated content, such as wikis, fans sites and image-hosting websites, cannot be used as sources under USERG, because anyone can submit material to them (although the "No Man's Land" map is already in the article].


 * However, I think /Film is legit. Unfortunately, I don't see any map on that page (maybe I'm missing a plug-in or something?), but then again, the author says that it comes from Brandon T. Snider, author of The Dark Knight Manual, so that brings up another good source. Thanks again. Nightscream (talk) 23:35, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The slashfilm link does have a map on it here, tho' I don't know if it's visible in your browser. It's the same map as this article (the map itself is held here) although the colors are slightly different - jpg is a lossy format, so a copy-of-a-copy-of-a-copy...of-a-copy will not have the same colors of the original. A google search shows that the same map is also here and here. I don't know if any of this is useable. Apols, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 00:12, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, the photo of the Gotham Transit Authority subway map here used on set in Newark during the filming of TDKR can be sourced to this article. That may be more helpful. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 00:21, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 August 2012
In ether the first or second Nolan movie his Lamborghini has a california plate

Pksmjshddsu (talk) 13:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Source? (Please see WP:V, WP:PSTS, et al.). Nightscream (talk) 14:21, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 November 2012
Undo this edit, which is presumably vandalism.

86.167.19.237 (talk) 03:38, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done, but I prefer to assume good faith. Some folks don't realize that haven is a real world, and the editor might have been thinking they were performing a valid spelling correction.  RudolfRed (talk) 04:09, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 February 2013
"Instant Freeze" is the episode with the Giant Lighted Lucite Map of Gotham City. I added that information here, as well as on the IMDB page. D. Silverman, Assistant Professor of Communication Studies, Kansas Wesleyan University

Dsilverm (talk) 07:02, 24 February 2013 (UTC)


 * It's the episode of which show? Nightscream (talk) 20:52, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I have closed this edit request as stale. The OP is welcome to re-activate it if s/he can respond to the question above. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 16:30, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Young Justice Episode
Apologies, I don't know how to edit the citation myself, but the YJ episode where Gotham was revealed as being in Southern Conneticut was Season 1, episode 5: Schooled. Early in the episode, it can be seen on a map as Batman is giving the team their assignment. Hope this helps. 50.53.167.121 (talk) 22:31, 23 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks! For future reference, you can use the TV episode citation template, which can be found at WP:Citation templates. Nightscream (talk) 01:08, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 September 2013
Gotham is also the name of the city in the honeymooners. Ralph Kramden one of the main characters drive the city bus for Gotham city.

69.157.112.11 (talk) 00:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's then name of the company, but according to Honeymooners, it is set in Brooklyn, not "Gotham". RudolfRed (talk) 01:25, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2013
We would like to please add a "Theme Parks" heading below the "Video Games" heading. The theme park attraction "Justice League: Alien Invasion 3D" should be added as an example of Gotham City being used in a theme park environment. It is a dark ride built by Sally Corporation that uses Gotham City as a main location inside the attraction. The ride opened in September of 2012 at Warner Bros. Movie World in Gold Coast, Australia. It was designed by Rich Hill (a notable theme park designer). 

SallyCorporation (talk) 19:12, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2014
On the page about Gotham city, notable businesses section, ace chemicals is incorrect.the correct name of the company is axis chemicals. Source "batman"

Jerebak5 (talk) 16:55, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Request copied from Wikipedia talk:Protection policy. Wbm1058 (talk) 14:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. buffbills7701 18:41, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2014
In the DC Animated Universe, the movie "Batman & Mr. Freeze: SubZero" clearly indicates Gotham City as being in NY, in a scene where Bruce Wayne pulls up Barbara Gordon's medical records on a hospital computer. This same shot also lists her phone number beginning with the 212 area code,indicating Manhattan

99.8.138.109 (talk) 07:09, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Padlock-silver-slash2.svg Not done: This page is no longer protected. Subject to consensus, you should be able to edit it yourself. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:58, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism
This text:

Film adaptations have varied: Tim Burton's Gotham was based primarily on Gotham, while the films directed by Christopher Nolan have shown a Gotham more closely based on Gotham.

makes no sense. 89.71.129.66 (talk) 02:24, 29 March 2014 (UTC)


 * That passage (and others) was vandalized yesterday by someone editing with the IP 69.127.17.33. I've reverted it. Thanks for pointing it out. Nightscream (talk) 04:30, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

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Illinois?
Is Gotham City not in Illinois in the Nolan series? I know it was filmed in Chicago, but in the Dark Knight Trilogy, all the cars don Illinois license plates. Woolfy123 (talk) 17:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Swamp Thing #53
I just got through reading Swamp Thing #53 in the trade paperback and I didn't see this fictional history. It has a story about Swamp Thing coming to Gotham, covering it with plants and fighting Batman, but there was nothing in the comic about the history of Gotham. Perhaps this was a text insert that wasn't reprinted in the trade? If so, does anyone know were we can find this?--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 02:21, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

The trade paperback I read this from was Saga of the Swamp Thing Vol. 5.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 02:24, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The Jon Logerquist story is told in the DC Heroes RPG Atlas of the DC Universe source book. I am not sure if it appeared in comic books prior to that, but it seemingly does not appear in Swamp Thing #53. Tiptup Jr. (talk) 15:48, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

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Paris Island?
In JLA #5, 1997, Batman talks about Mad Hatter's crew messing up part of Gotham City called Paris Island. Has this section shown up anywhere else? Lots42 (talk) 10:51, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is an amusement park south of the city from John Ostrander's Gotham Nights II and appears on the No Man's Land map as Paris Island. Tiptup Jr. (talk) 15:50, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Gotham (IP comment in article)
The fictional city of Gotham originated from works of H.P.Lovecraft, and not from DC comics, however there's not a word about that in entire article. Article should be either renamed to "Gotham City in DC universe" or updated with references to lovecraft's literature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.15.128.74 (talk • contribs) 13:44, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Gotham is Sin City (description)
Sin City (description)

Sin City is an urban area (a city or part of) that caters to various vices. These vices may be legal (depending on area) or illegal activities which are tolerated.

Examples of vices include sex-related services (prostitution, strip clubs, sex shops, etc.), gambling (casinos, betting shops, etc.), or drug use (alcohol, marijuana, etc. consumption), and even excessive organized crime and gang activity. If the city is known for prostitution, it is often called a red-light district, as in Amsterdam, Netherlands.

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"List of mayors of Gotham City" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect List of mayors of Gotham City. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Rorshacma (talk) 18:44, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Uncited material in need of citations
I am moving the following uncited material here until it can be properly supported with inline citations of reliable, secondary sources, per WP:V, WP:CS, WP:IRS, WP:PSTS, WP:BLP, WP:NOR, et al. This diff shows where it was in the article. Nightscream (talk) 16:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

History
During the American Civil War, Gotham was defended by an ancestor of the Penguin, fighting for the Union Army, Col. Nathan Cobblepot, in the Legendary Battle of Gotham Heights.

In contemporary times, Batman is considered the protector of Gotham, as he is fiercely protective of his home city. While other masked vigilantes also operate in Gotham City, they do so under Batman's approval since he is considered the best and most knowledgeable crime-fighter in the city.

For a time, the city faces various complications from gang warfare and escalating vigilante actions, due to such events as Spoiler unintentionally triggering a gang war, the return of Jason Todd as the Red Hood, and Bruce Wayne's disappearance during the war against Darkseid. Although Dick Grayson takes on the role of Batman for a time, matters become worse when a complex conspiracy initiated by the Cluemaster results in multiple villains attacking all areas of Batman's life, ruining the reputation of Wayne Enterprises and seeing Commissioner Gordon framed for causing a mass train accident. After the destruction caused by the Joker's latest rampage, new villain Mr. Bloom sets out to destroy the city so that a new form can "grow" from it, but Bruce Wayne returns as Batman in time to defeat Bloom and reaffirm his role as Batman.

Architecture
In the Batman comics, the person cited as an influential figure in promoting the unique architecture of Gotham City during the 19th century was Judge Solomon Wayne, Bruce Wayne's ancestor. His campaign to reform Gotham came to a head when he met a young architect named Cyrus Pinkney. Wayne commissioned Pinkney to design and to build the first "Gotham Style" structures in what became the center of the city's financial district. The "Gotham Style" idea of the writers matches parts of the Gothic Revival in style and timing.

Alan Wayne expanded upon his father's ideas and built a bridge to expand the city. Edward Elliot and Theodore Cobblepot also each had a bridge named for them.

Education
Gotham Academy has appeared in different comics and shows, as the most prestigious private school in Gotham. Richard Grayson, and Damian Wayne have both attended the school.

Gotham City University is a major college located in the city. In the DC Extended Universe, Victor Stone attended the University prior to turning into Cyborg.

Notable residents
Bruce Wayne's place of residence is Wayne Manor, which is located on the outskirts of the city. His butler, Alfred Pennyworth, aids Bruce in his crusade to fight crime in Gotham.

Arrowverse
For the TV series Batwoman, both Vancouver and Chicago were used for Gotham City. In this reality, a group known as the Crows have helped to defend the city from crime ever since Batman went missing three years ago.

The Dark Knight Trilogy
However, the city itself seems to take many cues from New York City: police cars use a paint job that was used by the NYPD in the 1990s, and the same is applicable to garbage trucks, and the Gotham Post seems to have the same font heading as The New York Post.

In the animated Batman: Gotham Knight (2008), which takes place between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, The Narrows was converted into an expansion of Arkham Asylum.

In the movie, it is revealed that downtown Gotham, or much of the city, is on an island, similar to New York City's Manhattan Island, as suggested by the Gotham Island Ferry. However, while Gordon is discussing evacuation plans with the Mayor, land routes to the east are mentioned. In conversation with Harvey Dent, Bruce Wayne indicates that the Palisades of the Wayne Manor estate are within the city limits. In terms of population, Lucius Fox says that the city houses "30 million people." The film indicates that the city's area code is 735, which in real life is an unused code. Compared to the previous film, less CGI was used in Gotham's skyline, resulting in plenty of shots of a digitally unaltered Chicago skyline.

DC Extended Universe
...with Gotham City being located on the edge of New Jersey, separated from the federal district of Metropolis by Delaware Bay. In Justice League it is revealed there is a tunnel connecting the two, constructed as part of the abandoned 'Metropolis Project' in 1929 to connect the two cities. There are multiple islands located in the bay also, one of which is named Braxton Island. Senator Debbie Stabenow makes a cameo appearance in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice as the state's governor.

Pinkney
The architecture section now says "a man obsessed with Pinkney's architecture blew up several Gotham buildings in order to reveal the Pinkney structures they had hidden" - but there is no explanation of who Pinkney is - as that has been removed - see above. -- Beardo (talk) 22:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Golden and Silver Age
This article seems to concentrate on the Bronze Age and later. It really needs more about the earlier history. -- Beardo (talk) 23:38, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Manhattan
Should it be referenced somewhere that in the first Batman story in Detective Comics #27 it stated he lived in Manhattan and then in 1940 they changed it to Gotham? Emperor001 (talk) 18:12, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


 * On what page is that reference? I've read it and didn't see any reference to Manhattan. Nightscream (talk) 18:42, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

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