Talk:Government of the 31st Dáil

31st followed by 30th
Their must be a mistake in the line-up: If this is the 31st Government, it can't be followed by the 30th Government! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4C50:46E:ED00:F516:F207:6D33:DB1C (talk) 21:46, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 28 July 2018

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) The Duke of Nonsense What is necessary for thee? 19:29, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

– We would then have separate pages in cases like the current Dáil where there were two separate governments. My case for this shift include that,
 * Government of the 31st Dáil → 29th Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 29th Dáil → 26th Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 28th Dáil → 25th Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 25th Dáil → 20th Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 24th Dáil → 19th Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 23rd Dáil → 18th Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 22nd Dáil → 17th Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 20th Dáil → 14th Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 19th Dáil → 13th Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 17th Dáil → 10th Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 15th Dáil → 7th Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 14th Dáil → 6th Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 13th Dáil → 5th Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 12th Dáil → 4th Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 11th Dáil → 3rd Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 10th Dáil → 2nd Government of Ireland
 * Government of the 8th Dáil → 7th Executive Council of the Irish Free State
 * Government of the 7th Dáil → 6th Executive Council of the Irish Free State
 * Government of the 5th Dáil → 3rd Executive Council of the Irish Free State
 * Government of the 4th Dáil → 2nd Executive Council of the Irish Free State
 * It reflects the formal reality, that a new government after the election of a new Taoiseach requires a new mandate from the Dáil.
 * It follows the custom on equivalent pages, see across Template:EU governments
 * It reflects how these pages themselves are formatted and linked to, on pages like Irish cabinets since 1919, or the template referenced above. The second government in the current Dáil has its own navigational infobox at the top, and lots of links on templates such as that just mentioned link to this second half. They are functioning now as two separate pages, merged one after the other. It makes sense to discuss Varadkar separately from Kenny, Cowen separtely from Ahern, etc. in any of the narrative parts of these pages.

I'd also propose the following ancillary changes:
 * Merge Parliamentary Secrtaries/Ministers of State pages into the respective government pages. Again, this is the custom on most other collections of government ministers on Wikipedia, and shows changes from any reshuffles better than separating them.
 * in the case of the First, Second and Third Dáil, list the governments on Ministry of Dáil Éireann and Provisional Government of Ireland (1922), rather than creating separate pages for each formal administration.

It is a big move, that affects a lot of pages, but if we were starting afresh, I'd certainly argue for this. With redirects and disambiguation, and checking pages over time, issues arising should be minimal. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 13:07, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Iveagh Gardens is proposing a whole lots of moves for no gain at all. Now, they are in the format of Government of the Nth Dáil. Moving some to Nth Government of Ireland and the rest to Nth Executive Council of the Irish Free State is not helpful, as there is no consistent naming format. Nor do I see any valid arguments for a separate page when there is a change of Taoiseach in the same Dail. The Dail has not changed, there has been no general election, so there is no need for 2 separate articles. I also oppose merge Ministers of State into government articles. Spleodrach (talk) 13:43, 28 July 2018 (UTC)


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