Talk:Govind Ballabh Pant

Caste?
Pant is a Nepali caste. How come GB Pant has Indian roots? Pant/Panta is classified in Khas Bahun (Nepali Brahmin) family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.63.247.150 (talk) 09:03, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:NOTFORUM. Indian and Nepali cultures share a lot of features. - Kautilya3 (talk) 09:36, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Unsourced stuff and excessive image insertion
There is large amount of unsourced stuff in this article.. I Can also see some POV Pushing .. image insertion/formatting is also not in line with standard articles.. they stink of fancruft.. Article should be properly sourced and referenced.. Or else, I will start clean up drive at once.. Adamstraw99 (talk) 14:06, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I just removed them again.  Kosh Vorlon   19:10, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

The Images are “Historic” and the question is not of the webpage looking cluttered – The Issue is that we have shared the wiki pages with atleast 100 odd readers and their view was that the content and the photographs/ visuals /images have a “great flow” and makes the reading “very interesting” for the wikipedia  readers – This by the way our feedback from the readers form Uttarakhand, Uttra Pradesh, Mumbai, Lucknow, Boston, New-York, Tel-Aviv, London and Toronto. Sureshpandey (talk) 07:39, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia pages of Bharat Ratna Govind Ballabh Pant, Former Defence Minister of India, K.C. Pant and Ila Pant Member of Parliament -12th lok Sabha
 * @Sureshpandey, I will tell you about all three articles and what I Think is wrong with them :--
 * in GB Pant article --> There is no question of this politician's notability or significance. statements and Images are notable/relevant but problem is your reckless excessive stuffing of them at inappropriate places and making the article look ugly and not a good reading experience for Wikipedia users. if you can post these photos in compliance with Wikipedia guidelines then i don't think anybody will remove them.
 * in KC Pant article--> here, in addition to excessive image stuffing and inappropriate placements, some statements truly look like fan-work (or paid promotions) which neither meet the recognition of this politician nor Wikipedia guidelines.. that's why you are being asked, time and again, to provide the sources for your statements in this article. well sourced, relevant, notable/significant and reliable text will not be removed.
 * in Ila pant --> many issues in this article.. in addition to issues raised for KC article, this article has many additional issues.This article looks nothing more than a personal blog filled with nothing except Original Research... you are posting things under "political life" section which are not even political. you are desperately pushing her other work (which i don't think is either significant enough, or political enough to post under political work section) and go on silence-mode when these sections/ statements are tagged with certain issues.. instead of addressing these issues/sourcing article properly, you go on reckless random reverts logged-in and logged-out.. This is not going to help unless you address and resolve issues on article's talk page... Please keep in mind any editor is free to remove statements which fall under "Original Research"...
 * Thanks for understanding     --Adamstraw99 (talk) 08:45, 1 April 2016 (UTC)


 * @Adamstraw99, Thanks for your input- will be responding soon to satisfy your concerns. Sureshpandey (talk) 09:27, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Reply
@Adamstraw99 Thank you for your comments on 1/4/2016. We wish to reiterate that we have received innumerable appreciative comments from readers on our recent updated version of the 125 years cumulative 3 Wikipedia pages, and therefore hope for your understanding instead. @ Suresh / Akash / Neeraj / Govinda / Gaurika.Sureshpandey (talk), I have embbed my responses below --Adamstraw99 (talk) 08:48, 4 April 2016 (UTC) However considering positively  some of  the  key issues raised  we appreciate your comments and have  some queries. In G B Pant Wikipedia page : -- '''here looking beautiful or ugly is in context with how biographies of politicians are maintained in Wikipedia articles. If images are inserted randomly and at inappropriate places, Article looks cluttered.. and ANY editor/Administrator can determine the parameters of article layout/formatting. in your articles some of the guidelines here were not followed -->> MOS:IMAGES ''' --Adamstraw99 (talk) 08:48, 4 April 2016 (UTC) -- '''this is about insertion of innumerable images and their placement at wrong places which disturbed the formatting of the article. "Specifically", these are the guidelines -->> MOS:IMAGES, WP:PIC, WP:IUP and WP:UPIMAGE'''-- Adamstraw99 (talk) 08:48, 4 April 2016 (UTC) In K C Pant Wikipedia :
 * “Who ( which reader/editor )  determines the parameters of  what looks beautiful or ugly,
 * what is “Reckless stuffing”, what are “inappropriate places” and
 * specifically what are “ Wikipidea “ guidelines

Again who ( which reader/editor ) determines  the same issues of “ excessive stuffing “!!!!!! and “inappropriate placements” and on a positive note  the "relevance and need" to  cover  the wide spectrum of a four decade political life.

-- ANY '''editor/Administrator can determine the parameters of article layout/formatting. in your articles some of the guidelines here were not followed -->> MOS:IMAGES ''' --Adamstraw99 (talk) 08:48, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

“Fan like” ( for paid promotions !! ) are extremely unfair and disdainful terms used towards a luminary who for  40 years  held the highest Indian Cabinet and Constitutional positions involving strategic and critical  and sensitive decision making across political divides.

--"A luminary who for 40 years  held the highest Indian Cabinet and Constitutional positions involving strategic and critical  and sensitive decision making across political divides" should also have the "third party, reliable and neutral sources to support his political work or achievements and well sourced content will not be removed  Adamstraw99 (talk) 08:48, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

@Adamstraw99 thank you .all reliable, neutral and third parties will bear testimony to the authenticity of these works and achievements whenever an editor requires any specific authentication these can be sourced from Indian government records.Sureshpandey (talk) 09:57, 5 April 2016 (UTC) ––––––––––––––––

Could it be clarified  who determines “Well Sourced, relevant, notable/significant and reliable”  .From those who have visited and accessed this page the feedback has been that it has all the qualities of being authentic data. Our sources are first hand, well researched and backed by and through 40 years of  government documentations from PIB (Official  Press Information Bureau , Government of India), accredited India News Agency, PTI and UNI  along with official visual proofs ( in your own  words images which are notable/relevant.)

--'''Surly it can be clarified, and is already clarified... These guidelines determines Well Sourced, relevant, notable/significant and reliable content -->> WP:RELIABLE, WP:ORIGINAL and WP:VERIFY ''' --Adamstraw99 (talk) 08:48, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

"surly" indeed !!'!!!!!!!!!!!! And crystal clear. ---Sureshpandey (talk) 09:57, 5 April 2016 (UTC) In Ila Pant Wikipedia page:

We will recheck “Original research” issue as per Wikipedia guidelines. --Thanks for that --Adamstraw99 (talk) 08:48, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

This while, keeping in mind the issue specifically raised  to separate the 1) “political life” as the first woman Parliamentarian, the relevance in the  establishment and formation of the 27th  State of India - Uttarakhand  and 2) Social service activities  relating to her civil society contributions spanning thirty years, publishing of the 18 volumes , establishment of the Best Parliamentarian Award of India. All authenticated, documented and published within Government sources.

--1)You are factually incorrect here. Ila pant is NOT the first woman Parliamentarian From uttarakhand. How can she be???, when she won election in the year 1998 AND Uttarakhand came into existence in the year 2000????????????????????????????????????. --Adamstraw99 (talk) 08:48, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

.... Facts to be stated indeed, She is the first woman Parliamentarian from Nainital, Uttar Pradesh  ( now Uttarakhand ) and a major force behind the creation of the 27th NewState UTTARAKHAND.Sureshpandey (talk) 09:57, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

--2) Social services are not political activities. You can create separate section for that. But you will still need to source the statements from a non-neutral, third party, reliable source. Adamstraw99 (talk) 08:48, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * --Indeed this will be created as a subsection, all of the activities are documented, widely circulated and registered in the Registrar of Societies, should any need third party confirmation they are in the public domain.Sureshpandey (talk) 09:57, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

It is our team's wish for the Wikipedia page to be factual, neutral ,authentic and informative. Suresh / Akash / Neeraj / Govinda / Gaurika. Sureshpandey (talk) 05:51, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

--'''Thanks for that.. All what community expect from you is source your content with third party reliable sources and follow the Wikipedia Biography guidelines listed here''' -->> WP:BLP, WP:PERSON, WP:ORIGINAL and MOS:BIO --Adamstraw99 (talk) 08:48, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

--thanks --Adamstraw99 (talk) 08:48, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Hopefully our uploads will not need so much time and intervention. Regards, Sureshpandey (talk) 09:57, 5 April 2016 (UTC)'

@Adamstraw99 we are waiting for your response.Sureshpandey (talk) 11:50, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

@Sureshpandey, Hi, I'M sorry for being late in replying.. just another busy day with cleaning up spam in several city articles.. Adamstraw99 No apologies necessary, in fact we were so positive and relieved hoping that surely (!!) finally some acceptance levels  may have been reached vis a vis at least the GBP and KCP wiki pages. Although I P remains wip – ( work in progress) Sureshpandey (talk) 04:29, 30 April 2016 (UTC) Well, it is always good for Wikipedia if people are in agreement with following the wiki biography guidelines as you say you will.. Just two things... 1) it does not really matter whether people of various countries read your article or not, praise it or condemn it, appreciate it or criticise it. What matters is, Wikipedia biography articles MUST comply with the several guidelines you were told in previous comments.. NOTED ! Sureshpandey (talk) 04:29, 30 April 2016 (UTC) and 2) It also does not really matter whether an editor is a "researcher" or "IT Expert"..For anybody who is literate enough to read and write can use Wikipedia. But if somebody is working on biographical articles, then it would be good for the community if he/she is capable enough to read, understand and follow certain given guidelines in the article's subject area(in your case, this is Biography) ABSOLUTELY IN AGREEMENT ..Also,just like you say you are now aware of guidelines.. I was wondering whether you have read some more important things which may concern you? Here they are -->> 1) WP:CONFLICT, 2) WP:PAYDISCLOSE, 3) WP:NOPAY, 4) WP:NOTPROMOTION, 5) WP:NPOV and specifically for "Ila pant" -->>WP:NOTBLOG THANK YOU FOR YOUR GUIDANCE. All are noted and will be kept in mind Sureshpandey (talk) 04:29, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

-- Thanks Adamstraw99 (talk) 14:06, 6 April 2016 (UTC) @Adamstraw99 WE WOULD SEEK YOUR OR WHICHEVER AUTHORITY/READER/EDITOR/COLLABORATOR works so intensely with WIKIPEDIA to

1)    go through the pages we would finally put on Wiki  ( and share with you directly as well ), and  to kindly NOT ARBITRARILY  DELETE /DISTORT its formatting. There ARE very valid reasons and a method in the intenseness  we have been going through  perseveringly and persistently  with Wiki during  the last few weeks.

2)   The data we are updating needs must match,  and be factual  . You will appreciate that Wiki pages need to  be with the  data  we have been currently working on . This is  backed by a tremendous large cache of corroborative evidence – published and well circulated material.

3)   Any disputed issue could and  please be identified and sent to us, we shall immediately verify and if required as you have seen so far , incorporate.

It is extremely unfair  when unknown, unidentified deletions or additions are made, especially since we are not aware by whom, on what basis , with what knowledge of insights,   judgements are passed , comments made, and  contentious issues raised. Surely in the ocean of data that Wiki have these three pages are but a speck. It is extremely appreciated  that so much detailing and attention is devoted, however the use of certain objectionable terms belie professionalism.

A biography of a living person or of those that has passed on depends upon data and research, this is what we did, and continue to do.

We hope this will conclude our dialogue in the spirit that it was taken up in the best interests of the protagonists. Sureshpandey (talk) 04:29, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 16:34, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Conflict of interest
Hello @Adamstraw99, the contributors to this page and for K. C. Pant's page have declared their COI. Please review. When you finish reviewing, you may please remove the maintenance tag for COI in both pages. Thank you. Shadowfinder (talk) 10:51, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * These things happen organically. There is no need to request the removal of the tag (and an editor with a COI should not make such a request) - once an uninvolved editor has reviewed the article and revised/rewritten it as necessary, the tag will be removed. That might take some time, because there has been so much COI editing to these articles over a long period of time, but there is no deadline. --bonadea contributions talk 12:03, 28 October 2017 (UTC)