Talk:Grace Park (actress)/Archive 1

Maxim mag
I added bout her being in maxim magazine just because some of her fans may appreacate it. Ok — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.136.51.44 (talk) 13:26, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

University
University of Victoria -or- University of British Columbia? Bios on the web show both? Southsloper 10:34, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Unrelated Parks
Somebody removed a mention of Linda Park not being related to her, and then somebody added it back. Now there is a mention of two Parks that are unrelated to Grace Park. After some thought I decided to remove both mentions. Not only does this serve negligible utility (is it helpful to list all the Parks that are unrelated on every page about a Park?), it even reeks of ignorance.

The usual procedure is to only list people who are related. For disambiguation reasons there might also be a note at the top for people with identical or similar names. Why on Earth should we mention that someone with a Korean last name used by 9% of Korea is unrelated to another Korean? The article on John Raphael Smith does not mention he is unrelated to Kevin Smith. That would be silly for essentially the same reason. --C S (Talk) 23:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ignorance? Hardly. Grace has been frequently asked of this by both Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica fans on whether or not she is related to Linda, and she said no in an online interview. That second name from Star Wars is not really notable and thats why I reverted it back to the original sentence.  You can read the citation here:
 * http://scifi.about.com/od/bgsonscifi/a/parkinter1.htm


 * The reason it should be included of only Linda and Grace is because of the huge popularity of both Trek and Galactica. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billythekid16 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Huge popularity? Linda Park was in Star Trek: Enterprise, a series so hugely unpopular that fans actively lobbied Paramount to have it taken off the air. -- Ritchy 03:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Still seems like ignorance to me. In fact the interview question was pretty silly, and she responded politely: "ME: Are you related to Linda Park from Enterprise? GP: No. I think there are six Park clans. I'm not sure which one Linda Park is in."
 * Let me put it this way. Just because some ignorant fans ask this of her does not mean we need to put it into Wikipedia.  My point still stands: approximately 9% of Korean people have the last name Park so it hardly makes sense to depart from the usual procedure of not mentioning people that are unrelated.  --C S (Talk) 02:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * After thinking about it some more, your criterion of whom to include mention of not being related to Grace Park is not tenable. Star Wars is not worthy?  So if there is another Star Trek actor named Park, that's ok to include?  --C S (Talk) 03:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

"Park" is one of the most popular last names in Korea. Listing every person named "Park" and specifying that they are not related is not only useless, but reeks of cultural ignorance and western-centrism. It reads like "Park is not a common name here, therefore it is not a common name at all and everyone with that name must be of the same family." And saying "well, they're both actresses, therefore it's easy to get them confused" is nonesense. Last I checked, people didn't have trouble telling Kevin Smith apart from Will Smith. -- Ritchy 03:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * How many Korean people with the last name Park is not the point. You cannot use that as an excuse.  If there is another Trek regular cast member named Park, IMO of course its OK to include, because there would be assumptions of a relation especially if its within the Trek TV shows. The best example is Tom and Colin Baker of Doctor Who fame. Both are not related to each other. And yet their Wiki bios have to make clear of that fact.  The Trek franchise is very popular (if Ritchy didn't know that) and so is Galactica - both fanbases do overlap, and the assumption of Grace and Linda would be natural.  I respect your viewpoint, but I disagree with it.  And I stand by mine.  We can debate this indefinitely. -Billythekid16 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billythekid16 (talk • contribs)  04:19, 17 March 2007  (UTC)


 * The Baker example is interesting. The mention of other unrelated bakers (Colin Baker, who played Doctor Who also) and the scriptwriter (Bob Baker) is listed under the trivia section of the Tom Baker article.  This is probably because this kind of trivia is interesting particularly because of the coincidence of them all working on the same show.  (This kind of coincidence is actually less interesting for Korean people with last names like Park.)  Now Bob Baker's article does not mention these other Bakers.  Why not?  Well, probably because it's really irrelevant.  Why should Linda Park, who is on a completely different show, be mentioned here?  Because some people like you watch both shows and assume they are related?


 * "We can debate this indefinitely". Well, I supppose.  I would like to think we are getting somewhere here.  By the way, you don't get to revert two people so far and then take the position that you're not going to change your mind no matter what.  If you aren't willing to debate this, especially when you are in the minority, why should your edit remain?  (P.S. please sign appropriately with ~ ) --C S (Talk) 04:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * How popular the franchises are is irrelevant, as is the number of people who watch both shows. None of this is part of the current debate. Family isn't a function of how similar or popular the TV shows you starred in are, and no one is comparing the fanbase of Clerks and Men in Black to decide if we should clarify the lack of family ties between Kevin Smith and Will Smith.
 * The debate is whether a Wikipedia bio should contain relevant and important information about a person, or whether it should cater to the lowest common denominator by including, I'm sorry to say, ignorant statements like pointing out that everyone called "Park" is not part of a single global "Park" family.
 * I'm glad that you respect my opinion Billy, and I wish I could extend the same courtesy to you. But your opinion is basically that fan-base size is a natural gauge of family ties. I'm sorry, but that's not an opinion I can respect. -- Ritchy 04:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

For the record, I did not originate the sentence that you two are determined to erase. I regarded your actions recently as vandalism and I took the reactionary move to restore the line. I pointed out the Baker-Doctor Who Wiki info to you, which you want to dismiss. But I'll give you another: actresses Jean and Maureen Stapleton. Neither of them are related, but had to be pointed out since there are (to my knowledge) only two "Stapleton" actresses in the actress industry that are famous. I don't see anybody of their respective backgrounds being offended, and deleting the info. When I read their Wiki pages a while ago, I would think its fair to keep the Grace-Linda line. Grace and Linda are close in age, working in the same genre (science fiction) and their fame came at almost the same time. These are the only "Park" actors in the industry that I know of, and I'm sure for those reading their Wiki pages, can't think of anybody else either.

Keep in mind, no other editors of this Grace page is complaining or have removed the sentence until you two did. And its been around for a while. So I don't think they saw this the same way you did and seen nothing wrong. I would like to hear other Grace Park editors for their take on this issue whether or not they side with you or me. Because I doubt I am in the minority. Billythekid16 10:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * None of these facts have anything to do with the topic at hand. The fact that some other actors' pages have a silimar trivia does not mean it's a good thing to have, it only means that no one got around to removing it yet. Likewise, the fact that it was not immediately removed, as it should have been, doesn't mean everyone agreed with it, only that no one saw it right away. The fact Grace and Linda are close in age and both working in science-fiction is irrelevant as, once again, that's not how family works. All television actors in a given age range are not automatically related, and that's not a meaningful distinction to point out in someone's bio. The fact that you don't know of any other "Park" in television besides these two isn't a reason to discuss their relationship (or lack thereof) on the page. A few seconds of Wiki-surfing uncovered Sydney Park and Sandara Park, and I'm sure dozens more would come up if we bothered searching. Interestingly, neither of their pages specify that the actresses are not related to all other Parks around the industry.
 * There are millions of Park in the world, from (according to a link earlier in this discussion) six different and unrelated Park clans. It is, in fact, one of the most popular names in Korea. In this particular example, Linda was born in South Korea and was raised in San Jose, California, while Grace was born in Los Angeles, California and was raised in Vancouver, BC. Grace went to Magee Secondary and UBC, while Linda went to Notre Dame High School and Boston U. In short, they weren't born at the same place, never lived at the same place, never went to school together, never worked on the same shows, and are connected only by a popular last name. There is no opportunity for confusion here. If some people still decide to disregard the facts in favour of some strange notion that all science-fiction actresses of a similar age have to be related, well it's their right, but definitly its not a meaningful piece of biographical information that should be included here. -- Ritchy 14:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The assumption should be that they are not related. While it may not always be the case, Wikipedia is supposed to be encyclopedic, and encyclopedias certainly don't mention people who aren't related to whoever is mentioned in a given entry.  They may not even mention people who are related, in some cases.  Though, there should be a link to the disambiguation page so it's easier for someone to find other Parks if they so choose.  Then, hopefully someone can assume that if neither article mentions a relation, there is none.  Or better yet, they can go search other sources and find more information that should be added to the article, whether it's about relatives or not. -Bbik 21:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Well it's been a couple of days and no one said anything. At this point, most of the wikipedians and arguments are for removing the sentence, with only one person argueing for keeping it on the basis that "they're both in sci-fi". So I'll go ahead and remove the line. -- Ritchy 14:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Dead link
Hello! The Link #7 is dead. So somebody can delete it. For some reason, it's not possible for me... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.6.8.178 (talk) 19:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Christian?
Is she Christian? Does she wear cross necklace? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.0.77.136 (talk) 09:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Grace Park's age
Grace Park, the Canadian actress, was not born in 1980. She was two years ahead of me and graduated from high school (Magee Secondary, Vancouver, Canada) in 1992 - I have the yearbook to prove it! http://www.pegasus3d.com/gracepark/index.html Although I am not sure how old she is (as some people graduate earlier and later than normal) I am guessing her birth year to be approximately 1974. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.83.233.248 (talk) 08:58, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * All the sources I have found on the web state her birthdate to be April 8, 1980. Granted this may simply be her publicity machine talking, but until you can pin down an actual date rather than estimating or provide a verifiable source, you'll forgive our skepticism. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 09:26, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I find it 'really' strange that Katee Sackhoff's birthday seems to be April 8 1980 as well. Besides, I have seen some sources stating that Grace was born on March 6, 1979 (see or ). --lightst (unlogged)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.79.145.183 (talk) 19:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I think I have found a possible explanation. There is this golfer called Grace Park as well. Her birth date is consistently declared as June 3, 1979. Using the notation mm/dd/yy that would be 06/03/79. However, if the notation was dd/mm/yy, we would end up with 03/06/79 which reads like "March 6, 1979". I think that's the confusion: same name, different people, mistake when reading the date in numerical format. --lightst (unlogged) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.79.145.183 (talk) 19:25, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

And what is a verifiable source? The graduation picture hanging in Magee Secondary? Or her graduation picture and blurb from the 1992 yearbook? The latter is now available: http://www.pegasus3d.com/gracepark/index.html

It is also interesting how Katee Sackhoff, also of Battlestar Galactica fame, is also born on April 8, 1980, according to Wikipedia. Coincidence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.83.233.248 (talk) 08:58, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Adding to the age discussion: Grace was a friend of mine back in high school (Magee) - she and I sang together and I think we had one class together. I was Class of '91 and she was Class of '92. She was definitely born in 1974. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Terricha (talk • contribs) 06:48, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah and Mandy Moore gave me her virginity in the back of my non-existent Buick. ;) Whats your proof that you and her were even in the same area?--KrossTalk 05:55, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

At this point, we have the 1974 date which could theoretically be backed up from her graduating secondary school in 1992, we have one source that says 1979, IMDB has her at 1980. At this point, i'd say we should leave the birthdate out until we know for certain. Anyone found anything else yet? --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 15:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

imdb is now listing her dob as March 6, 1979. Also, tv.com no longer claims she graduated from secondary school in 1992 and it also claims her dob is March 6, 1979. The xenite fansite claims the same. If all these sources are unified, maybe we should move to that date, even if there is the possibility of the month/day mixup with the golfer. Alberrosidus 22:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Grace, if you read this, tell us your real date of birth :D imdb says April 8th, 1980... -gramercy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gramercy~enwiki (talk • contribs) 15:51, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

also, if she got her degree in 1997, that makes 1974 more likely (1997-23) -gramercy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gramercy~enwiki (talk • contribs) 21:33, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

March 14, 1974 ... anonymous relative — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ek47  (talk • contribs) 21:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

She talks about her age in part 3 of her Q and A at scifi.com. Notable but not exactly helpful. Paladin677 07:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

In the Q+A she confirms that the DOB on IMDB is correct, therefore I changed it but it has been changed back. She even says how other sites have her DOB wrong. Unless you are going to dispute that she doesnt know her own DOB or that she is lying then I suppose this is the most reliable source we have ?

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=features&vid=36540 -Forsaken2k  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forsaken2k  (talk • contribs) 16:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Problem is, IMDB also used to state her birthday as April 8, 1980 so it's not always right. The reason why I prefer Bradley Thompson's dob for her as referenced is because it is the one that is most consistent with her graduating from high school in 1992. Taking the preponderance of evidence, the year that makes it all fit is 1974, not 1979. The reason I view the IMDB date with skepticism is because it's the same birthday as Grace Park the golfer - a remarkable coincidence all around if true.


 * I heard what Ms. Park said in her Q&A but she also said that she's been given Katee Sackhoff's birthday and Grace Park the golfer's birthday, which would imply that it's not Grace Park the golfer's birthday. So the answer is not as clear as one might suppose. I lean towards the date from a reliable source that fits the verifiable data best. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I wrote the following on someone's talk page, but then I realized I should have put some of the info here to clear up some of the confusion for new readers of this talk page:"Please do not change the date again without providing a source to counter the two references. Brad Thompson has stated Grace Park told him it was March 14, 1974. Additionally, the IMDB used to have the wrong dates, but eventually changed it to that (this is explained in the second source).  The previous dates the IMDB had were Katee Sackhoff's birthdate and Grace Park the golfer's birthdate, which is March 6, 1979.  Grace Park also mentioned in a video interview that IMDB got it right, while implying that her birthdate was not the same as either of those two.  Since you are insistent on March 6, 1974, I wonder if you got mixed up with the earlier confusion with the golfer.  I also wonder if the interview you mention is the same one I just described. --C S (Talk) 17:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)" By the way, I took another look at that interview, and I caught something that might be the source of your confusion (and which confused several people on the talk page). While she's talking, the video shows a computer screen displaying IMDB with her birthdate as March 6, 1979.  She clearly states that IMDB has her birthdate, while other sites have it wrong, confusing it with Sackhoff's b-date or the other Park's b-date.  Apparently, IMDB had it wrong when they took the screen capture, but correct when she viewed it.  In any case, since Park is not in charge of the video editing, I would disregard the screen capture.  Especially since Park the golfer has b-date March 6, 1979 (e.g. see her official website bio), and the supplementary evidence I mentioned above.  --C S (Talk) 19:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC) One thing only struck me after all this. Doesn't WP:BLP basically suggest that since in this case her birthday is not widely known, we should respect the subject's privacy and not put her complete birthdate? --C S (Talk) 20:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

IMBD cites her birthdate as 1974 (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0661825/) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.213.236 (talk) 08:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

About her "Drawl"
I edited out the bit about her drawl, because it is both unsourced, and unneeded. Bringing to attention the supposed difference between this persons accent, and every other accent of english a viewer may have is a waste of time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.222.239.32 (talk) 04:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Spoilers
Either she should be listed as only playing Boomer (not #8) on Battlestar Galactica, or there should be a spoiler warning. Think of all the poor people watching season one of Battlestar Galactica, who get too much information from this article. I know it's ridiculous, but I'll just add the spoiler warning, it's better to be ridiculous than to ruin someone's life. :) Erik E. 16:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

You should keep in mind that this is suppose to be a general page about Grace, not about Galactica. Not everybody is interested in watching that show, so saying very briefly what role(s) she played from the outset won't hurt. Spoilers here is irrelevant. -BillytheKid16 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billythekid16 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

You jerks! I *just* started season one and looked her up. That's a pretty serious spoiler. How is a plot twist in a show in which she played a role important in a "general page about Grace"? Who would even have any idea what that meant, *except* people who watched or are watching the show? Saying she is well known for playing a role on BSG is fine -- giving away the plot is just mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.15.27 (talk) 09:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not censored for "spoilers", it's an encyclopedia. —   pd_THOR  undefined | 12:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Ooooooooh! It's an Encyclopedia! Of course!! In that case, could you go edit Kevin Spacey's entry so that it says in the first 'graph that he played Roger "Verbal" Kint in The Usual Suspects and guess what? Verbal is really Keyser Söze! Because in Encyclopediae, it is essential that plot twists integral to dramatic development are full disclosed as early as possible in entries about the actors playing those roles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.5.42.37 (talk) 19:23, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I imagine it's because the various iterations of her character are separate entities, and we're reporting that she be duly credited with playing multiple important roles in a significant popular television series. As for the Kevin Spacey article, while I don't edit there, I imagine it would be because (a) Spacey has many more, varied, and significant roles then Ms. Park and that (b) Söze and Kint are the same person/character in that fictional work. For what it's worth, sarcasm is really helpful.  —   pd_THOR  undefined | 02:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

FWIW, the fact that Grace Park's character is a cylon is revealed in the mini-series, which was the very first 'episode'. After you watch the mini-series, it's no longer a spoiler. 67.184.14.87 (talk) 22:30, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Command and Conquer 3
Shouldn't Command and Conquer 3 be in the filmography list instead of in a video games section? If we see Josh_Holloway's filmography, C&C3 is in the list.--Jim88Argentina (talk) 23:17, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, i took the liberty of changing it--Jim88Argentina (talk) 21:35, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Languages
Apparently she only speaks English and understands some Korean. Hollywood 411 -- 71.174.241.225 (talk) 14:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Another part of the same article claims that she is "fluent" in Korea. One of these two entries should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.136.138.196 (talk) 22:19, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Susie Park
Anybody knows if Grace is related to Susie Park?? Pictureuploader 16:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Or to Star Trek: Enterprise's Linda Park or actor/comedian Randall Park? All three are Korean-American and have the same last name so I wonder if there is a connection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.42.103.32 (talk) 17:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

It's the third most common Korean surname (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_name#Family_names_2) so sharing it doesn't mean there is a likely family connection. 94.170.25.203 (talk) 14:58, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Korean name
I fear that I might be losing my mind, so I had to post here first; the name listed in the article is romanized as Jee Un Park, where as the Korean text provided, 박민경, would be romanized Pak Ming-Yeong. Last name of course comes first in Asian culture, and "Pak" is oft written as "Park" in English. But where in the blue blazes does Ming-Yeong come from? It's not even close to Jee Un (지운). The Korean text is not in either of the references given for the first block of text, nor in citation #4, a quote from a biography (which I have not read, so I can't check). Now I'm wondering where did the Korean text come from? And which is correct, Jee Un or Ming-Yeong? --88.112.175.211 (talk) 13:25, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually just pulled her Korean name off of the Korean Wikipedia page of her . As I don't actually speak Korean, if it is not correct please fix it or remove it. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:46, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

career, no battlestar?
Why's the career section missing her 5 years on the show? -- 70.24.250.26 (talk) 08:16, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Ethnicity of Grace Park's parents
It currently says that Grace Park's parents are American-Korean. Doesn't that mean that her parents are of American descent living in Korea? It seems much more likely that her parents are Korean-American (Korean descent living in America), given that Grace Park looks Korean, has a Korean last name, and was born in America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.132.1.191 (talk) 22:17, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually it looks like her, and her family all live in Canada and have done so for thirty or more years, so Korean-Cdn is more accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.199.227 (talk) 04:40, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Early life
This is almost completely ripped from AskMen.com without using any sources besides being less detailed (http://www.askmen.com/celebs/women/actress_300/323_grace_park.html). Also, birthdate given is March 9, 1979. Someone needs to fix this. When I first read bio without the age the first thought that came to my mind was her publicist didn't want people knowing she is pushing 40. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.91.159 (talk) January 21, 2013
 * For what it's worth, the Gale Biography in Context source states, "Grace Park was given the name Jee Un Park when she was born in Los Angeles, California, on March 14, 1974." On the other hand, Park herself presented an OTRS ticket indicating that the bit about the name is incorrect, so I'm not certain how much credence should be given to the date. TJRC (talk) 02:34, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Child
An unsourced edit today states that Park has one child. I think that's correct (there have been rumors, and she's been off the show purportedly during her pregnancy), but there's no reliable source stating this. The closest I could find is a blog entry (not qualifying as a reliable source) that says, with no attribution, "sources say Grace had a baby boy recently..." Wikipedia is not in the business of trying to scoop the mainstream media; so I'm reverting the edit. Assuming this is true (and I believe it is, but my belief is of no import), we can add it to the article after it is reported. TJRC (talk) 23:15, 7 January 2014 (UTC)