Talk:Grace Slick/Archive 1

She didn't sing on Takes Off
According to the wikipedia page for Takes Off, Slick didn't join the group until after the release of the album. In which case it shouldn't be listed in the discography. Pemboid (talk) 10:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Jim Morrison issue
Grace's autobiography says she had a one-time hookup with Jim Morrison, and that tidbit did a lot to create interest in the book. Not long after publication, however, I remember that she had to retract that claim, since many of his friends and hers said they didn't believe it ever happened. UNFORTUNATELY, I can't find any sources to confirm my memory (which is a bit better than Grace's, at least). I'm even remembering that Grace finally explained that the publishers first asked her, "Which celebrities did you sleep with?" When she couldn't come up with any impressive names (other than most of the Airplane), they asked, "Well, which celebrity can you plausibly claim to have slept with?" Morrison fit the bill, both because Airplane & Doors toured Europe together in 1968, and because he's dead and can't contradict. So the myth was born.

Whoever noted that Jeff Tamarkin passed over this story in silence in his great Airplane book (Got a Revolution) makes a great point.

If and when I can find a published source, I will correct this enduring error. Wikipedia is powerful, and I think Grace would be the last person who would want a fib to be perpetuated in this way.Thuvan Dihn (talk)


 * I don't understand how this can be proved/proved wrong. Isn't it, according to her bio, a one-off in a hotel room? And it's forty years ago - if she says it happened, who can contradict her? Did these so-called 'friends' have her shadowed 24/7 for all of the European tour - actually, seeing as it's Grace, that might actually have been a good idea, I just doubt they did. Grace was very promiscuous, Jim was... well ;) ... I mean, I know NOTHING, but I can't understand how anybody could doubt it, if she claims it. Like 'I slipped out of my room & went into his, and it's forty years ago' - who can prove that wrong? Grace has been known to spin yarns yes (according to Jeff Tamarkins book) - but how do we know what is the lie here: that she did sleep with him OR that she just said she did. Maybe it's the last one, that's made up.
 * Yes, Jeff Tamarkins book makes no reference to such an affair. No and so what, that isn't proof: he documents a band that lasted from 1965-91 or something, he shouldn't list every sexual encounter for every person in the band chronologically, an especially hard job considering the decade ;)
 * I mean, again, I'm not trying to disprove you, I just don't understand why it is considered proof that Tamarkin doesn't mention it? Because, if, for the sake of argument, we say, that Grace DID sleep with Jim, this is still of NO IMPORTANCE in the long run to the music of JA, and is merely celebrity gossip. So Tamarkins reason for not mentioning it may be; 1) he doesn't care for celebrity gossip, 2) he can't actually prove that the encounter took place, seeing as there obviously were no witnesses or 3) he has concrete proof of it being a lie.
 * Both because it's unlikely and because he might then actually mention it in his book as an urban myth to be discarded, I would consider 3) the least likely.62.107.24.213 (talk) 16:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Silver Spoon question
Has anyone heard any background on the silver spoon piece. I love the song and have always wondered what inspired the song. 169.3.168.209 16:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

It says in the Sunfighter CD booklet that she wrote it to provoke vegetarian hippies in the community where she and Paul had moved. Apparently they didn't eat meat, because "animals were living things", but Grace was a 'city girl', who wanted to wear make up, shave her legs & eat meat, so she wrote it to provoke them. She also reasoned that they ate plants,though "plants are living things too", and she of course made the song especiallycannibalistic and provocative, just to make a point ;) Not enough people know of the Sunfighter album, though62.107.24.213 (talk) 17:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Common Misconception
Almost everyone I know mistakes Janis Joplin for Grace in many of Grace's songs. Is this common, that many people think Joplin wrote and sang those songs, or is it just my town?
 * I think it's because those people know very little about the late 60's pop culture. Their reasoning is as simple as "female singer of hippie songs = must be Janis Joplin, (because it's the only female hippie I know of)". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.122.19.48 (talk) 03:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

Back in the day, I don't think anybody mistook Grace for Janis. They were about as far apart as two singers could get. Janis had a bluesy, gravelly sound; her background was country blues. Grace had a quasi-operatic, quasi-North Indian sound; her background was folk & jazz.Thuvan Dihn (talk)

I've never heard of this. No more notable than people confusing Jim Morrison/Jimi Hendrix or Napoleon/Julius Caesar. There is nothing in the look or vocal style of Janis and Grace to encourage this, so I don't think it's more common than mistaking them both for Twiggy :p62.107.24.213 (talk) 16:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think anyone would confuse Jimi Hendrix and Julius Caesar - everyone knows that Julius Caesar was that salad dressing dude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 15:55, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

title
The title "Manhole" means exactly what you think it means. (Jack Haddad 02:58, 29 November 2005 (UTC))

shot through with errors
1. STUDENT LIFE: Grace was not (even according to her own autobiography) a good student and did not earn high grades.

2. STUDENT LIFE II:  While we may debate the merits of Finch as a prestigious school, UMF certainly wasn't at the time. Even Grace says she went strictly because it was a "party school."

3. DEFINED BY DRUGS:  Grace's alcohol problems have been well publicized, but she has never had a drug addiction problem. See above re: "significant academic accomplishment"

4. ROCK FRIENDSHIPS:  If you define "friendship" VERY VERY loosely, then Slick had friendships with Joplin and Morrison (apart from the Doors/Airplane European Tour, I'm not sure she ever saw Morrison again). See Grace's autobiography and Knowles's biography.

5. JUST PLAIN UNINFORMED:  I quote, "She once allegedly planned to lace the punch at Tricia Nixon's White House wedding with LSD. A former classmate of Nixon's, Slick didn't attend the wedding, though she was invited."

This event had nothing to do with Tricia Nixon's wedding. Grace was invited to the White House for tea as a former Finch graduate (Tricia also attended Finch; Grace was invited under her maiden name of "Wing"). Slick took Abbie Hoffman as her "date" for the event and was planning to spike RICHARD NIXON'S teacup only with LSD. Slick and Hoffman were denied admittance; RMNixon did not attend in any event.

I love Grace and am not adding these comments in an attempt to do anything but set the record straight. unsigned edit by 05:13, 8 January 2006 UTC 64.12.116.7

close to you

 * As I understand it, Slick was extremely close to Joplin. Not so much Morrison, but Joplin was a close friend. Jumbo Snails 03:28, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Gra

Grace met Janis through Jorma Kaukonen, the great Jefferson Airplane guitarist. While touring and recording limited there time together they seem to have become friends. Certainly, they were seen in each other's company fairly often, while Grace and Jim Morrison were never together except during the one tour. 76.28.103.69 (talk) 22:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)Will in New Haven76.28.103.69 (talk) 22:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

lyric error
Apparent lyric error on Volunteers, corrected from "soul" to "sold". (June 17th, 2006) [24.85.244.16]
 * Although whatever was in the article that this referred to has since been removed, FYI the lyric is "One generation got old. One generation got soul.  This generation got no destination to hold. Pick up the cry."  If you listen to live shows of Grace she sings it as "soul" just as listed on the lyrics sheet. JoeD80 (talk) 06:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

unreferenced
This article is badly in need of citations for its many claims. Wasted Time R 03:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

other work
I'd like for some Grace Slick fan who can code HTML better than me to add a section on her painting career, which she's on tour with now. She has an exhibit today (Sat Jan 13, 2007) at Tyson's Galleria in McLean, VA, according to the Washington Post. I'll throw in some links below, feel free to edit them (and this comment) as you see fit. SSC Counterculture Meets Mall Culture for Grace Slick The Ex-Acid-Rock Singer Peddles Her 'Alice' Art By Sue Kovach Shuman, Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, January 13, 2007; C01 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/12/AR2007011202321.html http://digital50.com/news/items/PR/2007/01/04/CLTH128/jefferson-airplanes-grace-slick-at-wentworth-galleries-in-boston.html

Interested in citing Jazzy Spies from first season of Seasame Street (1969) as work by Grace Slick. Any thoughts? Ozga 13:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I renamed "Chart Toppers" section, or whatever, to Artistic Accomplishments, to make room for this factoid, as well as the other many many accomplishments I'm sure others will want to include. I didn't think it should go in "Career", since that is a well constructed biography, and might not be the place for an open presentation of facts. I'm not so happy about the title "Artistic Accomplishments", pretty bland. Maybe other people have better ideas. Ozga 14:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know who directed, or may have been the creative force behind her 1980 music video for Dreams? As someone stated elsewhere, there needs to be a special support group for all people who have seen it! Nightmares is more like it!

Art Work
I can provide info on her work as a visual artist. I've been to a couple of her shows and have two of her limited edition paintings, so I know about that. I just need to know what kind of detail you guys think would be appropriate. (I tend to get wordy.)Nmolik (talk) 17:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)Nancy

Extensive Revision
I have just spent considerable time straightening out this article, where I had the knowledge and ability, but it still needs further clean-up: More references and in-article citations, for example. Will someone who actually knows about Grace Slick and Wikipedia please finish the work I started? Thank you Rhampho1949 17:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Is she born in the city of Chicago or Evanston?
Which is it? In the infobox it says her origin (birth) is in Evanston, Illinois but in the article it says she was born in "Chicago". Evanston is a township/suburb in the northside of Chicago that has their own Mayor, schools, and police force. It's a part of the "Chicago metropolitan area" like Tinley Park, Harvey, Skokie, and Niles but they're not part of the city government of Chicago. Thanks ahead for any answers. --Pilot expert (talk) 11:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

No one seems to know where Grace was born
Grace herself doesn't know. She said she just makes it up when it comes time to fill in the blanks on forms, though she does know that her parents' house was in Highland Park when she was born. Should we just change the info box to "Chicago area" or "Metro-Chicago"? Nmolik (talk) 17:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)Nancy

Starting to do some edits
I'm going to start trying to make some editorial edits with the html code, clean up the references, and try to use some other references outside of nndb, who have been very, very wrong in the past in their information.

I'm also going to add in some information about Grace's visual art since I have some decent knowledge on that. Nmolik (talk) 14:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Nancy

Mercedes or Aston-Martin Crash
According to a People Magazine written in 1978, Grace crashed her Aston-Martin (not a Mercedes) into a wall. Is there another source on this? The only source I can find for Mercedes is wikipedia itself and internet sites that have copied wikipedia. An article from the San Francisco Chronicle in 1971 would be perfect. JoeD80 (talk) 19:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Mercedes or Aston-Martin Crash
I found a People Magazine article from April 7, 1980 that says it was a Mercedes-Benz: http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20076188,00.html According to her autobiography, she and Paul Kantner did own a gold Mercedes at the time. Also, the accident happened while Paul and Grace were still living in Bolinas (May 13, 1971) and before they moved to Sea Cliff in 1972, but Grace mentions in her autobiography that once they moved into the Sea Cliff house that she would drive around in her Aston-Martin. She even specifies that it's the one she bought in 1967. So, unless somehow or another someone managed to fix it, which I doubt given her and Jorma's description of the damage, it's reasonable to assume that it wasn't the Aston-Martin that was wrecked. However, I changed "Mercedes" to "car" for now. Nmolik (talk) 01:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)Nancy

The car crash seems to have disappeared from this article but appears in Jefferson_Airplane with a reference. I'd argue that an apparently near-fatal car crash is a notable incident in anyone's life and it should be put back here by someone with access to a useful source. Dichohecho (talk) 16:14, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Picture
As mentioned in the article (I'll paraphrase) Slick was efffin' hot back in the Jefferson Airplane days. Why do we have a contemporary picture of her at age ~68? I have this issue with multiple wikipedia living person bios, where pictures are contemporary rather than as people looked at the height of their notability, which would seem to better serve articles (especially for someone partially noteworthy as a sex symbol, such as Slick). Is there some wikipedia guideline driving this? I haven't found it, but if someone could point me in that direction, I would appreciate it. In the meantime, is there a reason not to have a picture of a young Grace Slick in the article? Is it just a problem of finding a legally acceptable image? --CAVincent (talk) 05:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's difficult to find a legally acceptable image. I have some photos of her performing in the 80s and she looks pretty good (albeit very New Wave). I'll see if I can dig them out. --Utilizer (talk) 15:44, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * There should be a photo of her in the 1960's. I would prefer not to have a cover photo unless there is won from the sixties. A photo from the 1980's does not address that Grace Slick was a female pioneer of rock in the late 1960's. Cmguy777 (talk) 17:31, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Removed photo of Grace Slick from the cover to talk page. Any photo of Grace Slick is good, however, the cover photo should display Grace as an artist.


 * The only problem I see with this photo is that she doesn't look much like she did in her early music days, when her image was ubiquitous. If this is the only pic anyone has posted to WP/WC that is copyright free, its better than nothing. If my family had taken a snapshot of her, i could use that, but they were not astute enough to document their connections.66.80.6.163 (talk) 00:07, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Slick is not a contralto
"Contralto is the deepest female classical singing voice, with the lowest tessitura, falling between tenor and mezzo-soprano. It typically ranges between the F below middle C (F3 in scientific pitch notation) to the second G above middle C (G5), although at the extremes some voices can reach the E below middle C (E3) or the second B♭ above middle C (B♭5).[1]" There are many contralto singers, from Sarah Vaughan to Mahalia Jackson and even Christina Aguilera. Grace is not a contralto. In my opinion she could be a Dramatic soprano, however even if I'm wrong, she is definitely NOT a contralto.--Agapornis (talk) 09:06, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, you ARE wrong. Christina is NOT even close on being a contralto. And, the source said that Grace Slick is. Get your facts straight before deleting the sourced material.

Tribal44 (talk) 03:21, 18 March 2011 (UTC)Tribal44


 * Grace absolutely is a contralto, and by the same definition given. She hits E3 in the song "Winds of Change" (Jefferson Starship 1980), among others, and doesn't go much above E5. Don't confuse loud with high.14:35, 4 April 2011 (UTC)Nmolik

Grace's brother's birth
According to the California birth record index, as transcribed online by ancestry dot com, Christopher Barnett Wing was born September 30, 1948, in San Francisco County. Therefore, he was not born in 1949. I do not have any source for Grace's birth, so do not know her age at the time her brother was born. However, assuming the ancestry dot com entry is correct, she could not have been both born in October 1939 and a month short of ten years when her brother was born. — Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Grace today (talk • contribs) 15:28, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Instrumental Solo in White Rabbit
According to this page, the version of White Rabbit recorded with Great Society had Grace playing the instrumental solo on an oboe. I no longer have access to the recording, but I recall that it was a recorder. Theodulf 04:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theodulf (talk • contribs)

I ought to go find the song and listen but I'm not sure I could tell which instrument it was on a recording. On the other hand, I saw her perform live many times and never saw an oboe. I never saw her play an instrument on "White Rabbit" but she played recorder on "Coming Back to Me." I remember there was one song where she _always_ replaced Jack on bass when they played live but I can't remember what song it was. And she played guitar on several different songs over the years. Damn, I think I'm still in love with her. 65.79.173.135 (talk) 20:18, 3 August 2012 (UTC)Will in New Haven65.79.173.135 (talk) 20:18, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Official website
I work for the consulting company that handles Grace's painting site. The site listed on this page is an old site she doesn't work through anymore. http://www.areaarts.com is the new site. I'm new to Wikipedia, what would be the best way to make sure here newer site is represented? Thank you!

Arthurreeder (talk) 18:37, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. Better late than never! --Nancy talk comment added by Nmolik   05:54, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

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First to say motherfucker on TV
Just a thought: it's inaccurate to claim she was the first to use the word, as she was simultaneously singing the lyrics. That puts her in a tie as "the first," at best.

Continuity
The beginning of the Jefferson Starship subsection reads “After Jack Casady and Jorma Kaukonen decided not to return to Jefferson Airplane...”, but there’s no preceding mention of them having left. Further, there’s no preceding mention of Kaukonen at all. Boscaswell  talk  10:09, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

"Legal incident"? No it wasn't
Her aborted little stunt to take Abbie Hoffman to the White House and put LSD into President Nixon's tea (which probably couldn't have been accomplished since the event is made to sound like he would not be there) simply doesn't rise to the level of being reported as "Legal Incident". She was neither arrested nor sued. Case closed, end of discussion, no counter-argument can be made to this. Meanwhile, the drag-racing incident in the tunnel, which one might well suppose MUST have had some legal repercussions, is left out of "legal incidents" and moved up to "personal life". Huh? And I think Wikipedia should have a policy against reporting an arrest, detention, or search, if it doesn't result in conviction, as "legal incident". Some policy should also made about the adjectives and categories used to describe a lawsuits pursued and won, lawsuits pursued and lost, lawsuits defended against successfully, and lawsuits defended against unsuccessfully.2603:7000:9906:A91C:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 (talk) 22:12, 9 July 2021 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson

Pic dates
Two photographs, one dated 2008, one 2010, were obviously taken at the same event, unless she just happened to wear the exact same outfit to the exact same location two years apart. Unlikely.Gimelgort (talk) 00:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)