Talk:Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Bexley

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Barking and Dagenham which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 18:28, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 25 May 2017

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed, without opposition. bd2412 T 22:16, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

– The London WikiProject naming conventions suggest that lists of things in boroughs should be named with the short form of the borough names (per WP:CONCISE), as in the current pages listed above. However, in the case of many boroughs (including Bexley, Lewisham, Greenwich, Ealing, Lambeth and others) this creates substantial ambiguity, as the boroughs have the same name as a locality within the borough. A talk page discussion on the matter indicated a possible consensus for altering this naming convention and the article titles listed above. This follows a recent CfD discussion which came to the same conclusion, and therefore moving these pages would be consistent with the corresponding categories. It should be noted that not all of these article titles create ambiguity (as in Havering, Barking and Dagenham etc.) but they are listed on the basis of consistency. I am open to the current page titles being maintained on that basis, but I feel that this consistency would be preferable. Some of the above articles are at the current title following previous Requested Moves which made the opposite change (see here for example), but the proposer of this requested move indicated in the above talk page discussion that they are in support of this action. I have listed here what I believe are all articles affected by this discussion, again for consistency, but I am open to omitting any exceptions, should they be identified. Jdcooper (talk) 11:37, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Bexley → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Bexley
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Barking and Dagenham → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Barking and Dagenham
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Barnet → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Barnet
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Brent → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Brent
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Bromley → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Bromley
 * Grade I listed buildings in Camden → Grade I listed buildings in the London Borough of Camden
 * Grade II* listed buildings in Camden → Grade II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Camden
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Croydon → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Croydon
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Ealing → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Ealing
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Greenwich → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the Royal Borough of Greenwich
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Hackney → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Hackney
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Hammersmith and Fulham → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Haringey → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Haringey
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Harrow → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Harrow
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Havering → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Havering
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Hillingdon → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Hillingdon
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Hounslow → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Hounslow
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Islington → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Islington
 * Grade I listed buildings in Kensington and Chelsea → Grade I listed buildings in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
 * Grade II* listed buildings in Kensington and Chelsea → Grade II* listed buildings in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Kingston upon Thames → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Lambeth → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Lambeth
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Lewisham → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Lewisham
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Merton → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Merton
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Newham → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Newham
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Redbridge → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Redbridge
 * Grade I listed buildings in Richmond upon Thames → Grade I listed buildings in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames
 * Grade II* listed buildings in Richmond upon Thames → Grade II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Southwark → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Southwark
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Sutton → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Sutton
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Tower Hamlets → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets
 * Grade II* listed buildings in Waltham Forest → Grade II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Waltham Forest
 * Grade I and II* listed buildings in Wandsworth → Grade I and II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Wandsworth
 * List of districts in Barking and Dagenham → List of districts in the London Borough of Barking and Dagenham
 * List of districts in Barnet → List of districts in the London Borough of Barnet
 * List of districts in Bexley → List of districts in the London Borough of Bexley
 * List of districts in Brent → List of districts in the London Borough of Brent
 * List of districts in Bromley → List of districts in the London Borough of Bromley
 * List of districts in Camden → List of districts in the London Borough of Camden
 * List of districts in Croydon → List of districts in the London Borough of Croydon
 * List of districts in Ealing → List of districts in the London Borough of Ealing
 * List of districts in Enfield → List of districts in the London Borough of Enfield
 * List of districts in Hackney → List of districts in the London Borough of Hackney
 * List of districts in Hammersmith and Fulham → List of districts in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
 * List of districts in Haringey → List of districts in the London Borough of Haringey
 * List of districts in Harrow → List of districts in the London Borough of Harrow
 * List of districts in Havering → List of districts in the London Borough of Havering
 * List of districts in Hillingdon → List of districts in the London Borough of Hillingdon
 * List of districts in Hounslow → List of districts in the London Borough of Hounslow
 * List of districts in Islington → List of districts in the London Borough of Islington
 * List of districts in Kensington and Chelsea → List of districts in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
 * List of districts in Kingston upon Thames → List of districts in the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames
 * List of districts in Lambeth → List of districts in the London Borough of Lambeth
 * List of districts in Lewisham → List of districts in the London Borough of Lewisham
 * List of districts in Merton → List of districts in the London Borough of Merton
 * List of districts in Newham → List of districts in the London Borough of Newham
 * List of districts in Redbridge → List of districts in the London Borough of Redbridge
 * List of districts in Richmond upon Thames → List of districts in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames
 * List of districts in Southwark → List of districts in the London Borough of Southwark
 * List of districts in Sutton → List of districts in the London Borough of Sutton
 * List of districts in Tower Hamlets → List of districts in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets
 * List of districts in Waltham Forest → List of districts in the London Borough of Waltham Forest
 * List of districts in Wandsworth → List of districts in the London Borough of Wandsworth
 * List of English Heritage blue plaques in Camden → List of English Heritage blue plaques in the London Borough of Camden
 * List of English Heritage blue plaques in Kensington and Chelsea → List of English Heritage blue plaques in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
 * List of libraries in Barnet → List of libraries in the London Borough of Barnet
 * List of mayors of Havering → List of mayors of the London Borough of Havering See discussion below
 * List of mayors of Lewisham → List of mayors of the London Borough of Lewisham See discussion below
 * List of mayors of Newham → List of mayors of the London Borough of Newham See discussion below
 * List of mayors of Tower Hamlets → List of mayors of the London Borough of Tower Hamlets See discussion below
 * List of people from Barking and Dagenham → List of people from the London Borough of Barking and Dagenham
 * List of people from Barnet → List of people from the London Borough of Barnet
 * List of people from Brent → List of people from the London Borough of Brent
 * List of people from Bromley → List of people from the London Borough of Bromley
 * List of people from Croydon → List of people from the London Borough of Croydon
 * List of people from Ealing → List of people from the London Borough of Ealing
 * List of people from Enfield → List of people from the London Borough of Enfield
 * List of people from Greenwich → List of people from the Royal Borough of Greenwich
 * List of people from Hackney → List of people from the London Borough of Hackney
 * List of people from Haringey → List of people from the London Borough of Haringey
 * List of people from Harrow → List of people from the London Borough of Harrow
 * List of people from Havering → List of people from the London Borough of Havering
 * List of people from Hounslow → List of people from the London Borough of Hounslow
 * List of people from Islington → List of people from the London Borough of Islington
 * List of people from Kensington and Chelsea → List of people from the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
 * List of people from Kingston upon Thames → List of people from the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames
 * List of people from Lambeth → List of people from the London Borough of Lambeth
 * List of people from Lewisham → List of people from the London Borough of Lewisham
 * List of people from Newham → List of people from the London Borough of Newham
 * List of people from Redbridge → List of people from the London Borough of Redbridge
 * List of people from Southwark → List of people from the London Borough of Southwark
 * List of people from Sutton → List of people from the London Borough of Sutton
 * List of people from Tower Hamlets → List of people from the London Borough of Tower Hamlets
 * List of people from Waltham Forest → List of people from the London Borough of Waltham Forest
 * List of people from Wandsworth → List of people from the London Borough of Wandsworth
 * List of public art in Barking and Dagenham → List of public art in the London Borough of Barking and Dagenham
 * List of public art in Barnet → List of public art in the London Borough of Barnet
 * List of public art in Brent → List of public art in the London Borough of Brent
 * List of public art in Bromley → List of public art in the London Borough of Bromley
 * List of public art in Havering → List of public art in the London Borough of Havering
 * List of public art in Hillingdon → List of public art in the London Borough of Hillingdon
 * List of public art in Hounslow → List of public art in the London Borough of Hounslow
 * List of public art in Islington → List of public art in the London Borough of Islington
 * List of public art in Kensington and Chelsea → List of public art in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
 * List of public art in Kingston upon Thames → List of public art in the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames
 * List of public art in Lambeth → List of public art in the London Borough of Lambeth
 * List of public art in Lewisham → List of public art in the London Borough of Lewisham
 * List of public art in Merton → List of public art in the London Borough of Merton
 * List of public art in Newham → List of public art in the London Borough of Newham
 * List of public art in Redbridge → List of public art in the London Borough of Redbridge
 * List of public art in Richmond upon Thames → List of public art in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames
 * List of public art in Southwark → List of public art in the London Borough of Southwark
 * List of public art in Sutton → List of public art in the London Borough of Sutton
 * List of public art in Tower Hamlets → List of public art in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets
 * List of public art in Waltham Forest → List of public art in the London Borough of Waltham Forest
 * List of schools in Barking and Dagenham → List of schools in the London Borough of Barking and Dagenham
 * List of schools in Barnet → List of schools in the London Borough of Barnet
 * List of schools in Brent → List of schools in the London Borough of Brent
 * List of schools in Bromley → List of schools in the London Borough of Bromley
 * List of schools in Camden → List of schools in the London Borough of Camden
 * List of schools in Ealing → List of schools in the London Borough of Ealing
 * List of schools in Greenwich → List of schools in the Royal Borough of Greenwich
 * List of schools in Hackney → List of schools in the London Borough of Hackney
 * List of schools in Hammersmith and Fulham → List of schools in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
 * List of schools in Haringey → List of schools in the London Borough of Haringey
 * List of schools in Harrow → List of schools in the London Borough of Harrow
 * List of schools in Havering → List of schools in the London Borough of Havering
 * List of schools in Hillingdon → List of schools in the London Borough of Hillingdon
 * List of schools in Hounslow → List of schools in the London Borough of Hounslow
 * List of schools in Islington → List of schools in the London Borough of Islington
 * List of schools in Kensington and Chelsea → List of schools in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
 * List of schools in Kingston upon Thames → List of schools in the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames
 * List of schools in Lambeth → List of schools in the London Borough of Lambeth
 * List of schools in Lewisham → List of schools in the London Borough of Lewisham
 * List of schools in Merton → List of schools in the London Borough of Merton
 * List of schools in Newham → List of schools in the London Borough of Newham
 * List of schools in Redbridge → List of schools in the London Borough of Redbridge
 * List of schools in Richmond upon Thames → List of schools in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames
 * List of schools in Southwark → List of schools in the London Borough of Southwark
 * List of schools in Sutton (London borough) → List of schools in the London Borough of Sutton
 * List of schools in Tower Hamlets → List of schools in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets
 * List of schools in Waltham Forest → List of schools in the London Borough of Waltham Forest
 * List of schools in Wandsworth → List of schools in the London Borough of Wandsworth
 * List of tallest buildings and structures in Croydon → List of tallest buildings and structures in the London Borough of Croydon
 * List of parks and open spaces in Croydon → List of parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Croydon
 * Parks and open spaces in Havering → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Havering
 * Parks and open spaces in Barking and Dagenham → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Barking and Dagenham
 * Parks and open spaces in Barnet → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Barnet
 * Parks and open spaces in Brent → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Brent
 * Parks and open spaces in Bromley → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Bromley
 * Parks and open spaces in Camden → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Camden
 * Parks and open spaces in Croydon → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Croydon
 * Parks and open spaces in Ealing → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Ealing
 * Parks and open spaces in Enfield → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Enfield
 * Parks and open spaces in Greenwich → Parks and open spaces in the Royal Borough of Greenwich
 * Parks and open spaces in Hackney → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Hackney
 * Parks and open spaces in Hammersmith and Fulham → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
 * Parks and open spaces in Haringey → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Haringey
 * Parks and open spaces in Harrow → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Harrow
 * Parks and open spaces in Wandsworth → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Wandsworth
 * Parks and open spaces in Hillingdon → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Hillingdon
 * Parks and open spaces in Hounslow → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Hounslow
 * Parks and open spaces in Islington → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Islington
 * Parks and open spaces in Kensington and Chelsea → Parks and open spaces in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
 * Parks and open spaces in Kingston upon Thames → Parks and open spaces in the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames
 * Parks and open spaces in Lambeth → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Lambeth
 * Parks and open spaces in Lewisham → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Lewisham
 * Parks and open spaces in Merton → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Merton
 * Parks and open spaces in Newham → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Newham
 * Parks and open spaces in Redbridge → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Redbridge
 * Parks, open spaces and nature reserves in Richmond upon Thames → Parks, open spaces and nature reserves in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames
 * Parks and open spaces in Southwark → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Southwark
 * Parks and open spaces in Sutton → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Sutton
 * Parks and open spaces in Tower Hamlets → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets
 * Parks and open spaces in Waltham Forest → Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Waltham Forest


 * Can't this instead be done in the first line of the intro per WP:PRECISION? —  AjaxSmack  02:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:PRECISION begins "Usually, titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that". (My emphasis.) There is ambiguity in the current convention between e.g. Greenwich and Royal Borough of Greenwich. Ham II (talk) 03:59, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Support move. Thanks for taking on such a lengthy nomination, Jdcooper. Ham II (talk) 03:59, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Despite having said previously that I couldn't find any potential exceptions to the convention being proposed here, I've just spotted some. The lists of mayors should use the mayors' official titles – "Mayor of..." rather than "mayors of the London Borough of..." An added complication is that Lewisham and Tower Hamlets have separate lists for plain old "mayors" and for "directly elected mayors" – for the latter see here and here. I'm not sure what the convention should be for the directly elected mayors – their titles are "Mayor of Lewisham" and "Mayor of Tower Hamlets", the same style as for the others – or whether the separate lists should even exist. I suggest leaving the lists of mayors out of the nomination altogether and starting a new nomination which looks at the pages in Category:Lists of mayors of places in England, its one subcategory Category:Lists of mayors of London boroughs and Category:Directly elected mayors of places in England. Apologies for not noticing this earlier. Ham II (talk) 06:51, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Cool, I'm happy for those articles to be considered separately. What should I do, cross them out? Or is it enough for us to have mentioned this issue in the discussion? Jdcooper (talk) 08:47, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that crossing them out and removing User:RMCD bot/subject notice from the pages should do the job. Ham II (talk) 16:04, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Err, I can't work out how to do the striking through, any chance you could give me a hand?! Jdcooper (talk) 21:20, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I've struck through the items on the list and removed the four sets of current and new parameters from Requested move/dated. This means that the parameters now jump from 66 to 71 but I assume that won't be a problem when it comes to making the move. I will now remove User:RMCD bot/subject notice from the articles, but keep the talk page notices as a record that they were part of the original nomination. Ham II (talk) 16:16, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice one, cheers! Jdcooper (talk) 17:10, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Has to be done. No reason to wait longer. Kleon3 (talk) 12:27, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Support move. Headhitter (talk) 09:45, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Support move. Ditto above. Has to be done. Aspro (talk) 23:57, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Support move. In many cases the Bourough shares a name with one of its suburbs. JulianL (talk) 10:15, 30 May 2017 (UTC) - Likewise, it clearly disambiguates the London boroughs from suburbs and cities around the Commonwealth, etc. JulianL (talk) 10:22, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Support - makes sense. Kelly  hi! 10:45, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.