Talk:Gradiva

Film by Alain Robbe-Grillet
Something about the 2006 film by Robbe-Grillet should be included. 193.71.152.5 (talk) 12:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC) (Nick)


 * It was, but is now at Gradiva (novel). Si Trew (talk) 00:52, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

The 3 Gradiva entries in the English WP
Right now the English WP has 3 entries dealing with the  Gradiva  (I will not consider here film adaptions, Dali’s painting etc.): 1.	Gradiva : one of three figures in the ancient Agraulide relief; 2.	Jensen’s Gradiva (novel); 3.	Freud’s essay Delusion and Dream in Jensen's Gradiva. My proposition : The three entries are mutually dependent on each other and should be combined under one lemma.

My argument is as follows: The ‘Gradiva’ is first and foremost a fictional character in Jensen’s novella. The protagonist gives this name to the first woman in the Agraulide relief he sees in the Vatican museum and transfers this name to a woman he meets. Result : The ‘Gradiva’ of the novel is dependent on the figure of the actual existing relief. At the same time – and through this act – one of the three Agraulide sisters (Herse,Pandrosos and Agraulos, ancient deities of the dew), is given the new name ‘Gravida’: the lemma of entry 1. concerning the relief depends in its turn on the novel. One without the other is incomprehensible.

Freud could not of course have written his essay without Jensen’s novella. On the other hand, Jensen’s story would have sunk into obscurity without Freud’s analysis. It was Freud who gave prominence to ‘Gradiva’, to link now forever in people’s mind the first relief-figure to her new name ‘Gradiva’, to inspire the surrealists works, and to prompt the WP entries.

Presently the ‘Gradiva’ is scattered over 3 entries and - to paraphrase the title of Hauser’s exemplary study of the relief (Hauser, 1903), alas! only accessible to German speakers – is presented as Disiecta membra der Gradiva. These three entries are inextricably linked and should be combined.

Comments please. RM Vollmer 16:50, 10 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RM Vollmer (talk • contribs)


 * I made a start by re-writing the introduction. However a lot more work needs doing. The excellent article accompanying the 2007/2008 exhibition in the Freud museum could serve as a lead. Unfortunately I cannot devote more time to this at the moment. Please somebody continue.--RM Vollmer 13:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
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