Talk:Graduados

Copyedit
I'm planning to copyedit this article; I'll leave any questions I have here. I don't read Spanish so if I change the meaning of something please let me know. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:59, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:15, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Should Underground contenidos have a capital C for the second word, or is this a Spanish orthography convention I'm not aware of? Incidentally, why does that article have a definition sentence starting "Underground Producciones"?  Should that article be moved to Underground Producciones?
 * The first paragraph of the plot starts in 1989 and then jumps to the present-day, but it's not clear when. Is the sentence "Clemente is the owner of a successful dog food company called McCan" the first one set in the present day?  Or was he a successful businessman in 1989 too?
 * I changed the description of Victoria Lauría from "bachelor" to single woman; I assume this was some kind of mistranslation.
 * The "Production" section starts by saying "The series was written by Sebastián Ortega"; should this be "produced by"? The infobox gives writing credits to Ernesto Korovsky, Silvina Frejakes, and Alejandro Quesada.  The source cited, here, doesn't seem to say anything about Ortega, unless I'm missing something.
 * Another source given does credit Ortega as creator, so I've moved that sentence to the "creation" section and cited it to that source.
 * I changed the reference to Ximena Díaz Alarcón as I'm not convinced Trendsity is notable, and even if it is, it's more informative for the reader to explain that she is a consumer trends expert that to name her company, which most readers won't have heard of.
 * Still on Ximena Díaz Alarcón: the Google translation of her quote is: "Today, 80 are far enough away to be idealized and close enough to laugh at earlier versions of yourself", which isn't quite what the article says. I think it would be better to give what she says in direct quotes (translated, of course) and give the Spanish in the footnote.  If the Google translation is accurate as to sense then I can copyedit it to be more natural, so let me know if that's OK.
 * The two psychologists cited give these quotes (Google translated) in the article cited: "All people wonder how their lives would have been if they had done nothing Graduate aims to rethink that cute side last time we went and what we could be"; "Spoiled woman, hippie, canchero, delirious, opportunists attorney, overbearing mother, the innocent, the father put almost all stereotypes of modern society are reflected"; "The Graduate protagonists belong to a generation that is 40 years old today. Encouraged by social networks, their encounters with the couple invite balances, comparison between what was planned and what actually materialized"; and "Men have more permission to connect to their sensitivity and their affections, women become independent, decide for themselves, frames reflect these trends". I don't think these can support the current text in the article, unless the Google translation has missed something: "Psychologists Magalí Popiloff and Mariela Mociulsky said that the teenagers of the 1980s are now in their forties and may experience midlife crises, and many met old friends through online social networks".  It looks to me as if the useful quote is the third one, starting "The Graduate protagonists".  I'm going to drop the reference to Popiloff and change this to better match the source -- let me know if I screw anything up.
 * Done; I don't quite see how to work the reference to social networks in. If you can explain to me what Mociulsky is saying in that sentence I'll try to put it back in.
 * "Initially, the series would have starred Andy Kusnetzoff, and it would have been named "El paseaperros" (Spanish: The dog walker). The initial idea featured a dog-walker and his two friends, who were nostalgic about the 1980s." The source for this is here, but I don't see anything there are about two friends, or nostalgia about the 1980s.  Also, can you confirm that the series would have "starred" Kusnetzoff?  I can't see anything in the translated page that would indicate that.
 * I found another reference that mentions Kusnetzoff was offered a starring role, and used that.
 * "Hendler was already part of the cast as the secondary character Tuca, who was played by Mex Urtizberea after Hendler was cast as Andrés": the second half of this sentence isn't sourced from the source given, which is here.
 * "Paola Barrientos' mother is a psychologist and influenced her character": I don't see anything in the source about her mother influencing the character -- can you point me at the bit used to source that?
 * "She accepted a role in Graduados for the dichotomy of the Patricia/Jimena character because it was something she had not done before. Initially, the dichotomy was intended to last for ten episodes but Macedo insisted that the production maintained it until the end." Dichotomy isn't really a colloquial word here.  I think this refers to the secret of her real identity being kept for longer than ten episodes.  I've copyedited assuming that's correct; please confirm.
 * I've edited the "Creation" section and cleaned up some of the issues above. I took out a couple of things I thought were fairly minor; please let me know if you think I deleted something significant.
 * "Her character developed significantly over the series; the episode in which she reveals her true identity was well received." (This is copyedited a bit from the version I started work on.)  The source for this is here; it's very short, and really doesn't say that the character developed over the series, unless I'm missing something in the translation.  Is there a better source for this, or can I cut that half of the sentence?
 * "To compete with the premiere of Sos mi hombre on a rival channel, and as a celebration for the 100th episode": the given source doesn't say either of these things. I'm going to cut that sentence; please let me know if you have a source for either one.
 * "The program made extensive use of 1980s music, usually 1980s Argentine rock. Many songs were used as diegetic music, for instance in Vero Diorio's amateur radio, in nightclubs or in the characters' conversations. Other songs were used as incidental music." As far as I can tell this isn't supported by the given source, here.  I'm going to cut most of the sentence and merge it with the next one; if I'm wrong, or another source exists, let me know and I'll reinstate it.
 * "Graduados maintained its leading position for the rest of the season": the citation given only discusses a vote among the readership. If a good source can be found for the ratings (from the es.wikipedia version I know it had leading ratings most episodes, but I can't get that source to work) then it would be good to add that.
 * "The last episode of the series was broadcast live from the Gran Rex theater in a ceremony hosted by Marley": who is Marley? There's no mention of a Marley in the source that I can see.
 * I've completed the copyedit; everything I had a question about above is either resolved or cut. I'll watch this page in case you want to disagree with anything I've done. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 11:47, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I will check it. Cambalachero (talk) 22:31, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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