Talk:Graduate unemployment

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This entry is terrible. First of all, it shouldn't be an "article." This is an encyclopedia for christs sake, there shouldn't be articles. I do think the entry deserves a place, but for someone like me, who originally found this page while searching for information - the text is nearly useless. Why a section on china but not on France, USA, Mexico, etc. I think that it needs to be more balanced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.60.188.9 (talk) 18:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

This article seems to be based on one source, which is a link that is no longer working. I don't think it has any meaning beyond the single article, in any case. Therefore, I wonder if it should be deleted. XinJeisan 19:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Although the source provided is no longer working, I, as the creator of this article, can ensure you that that source was working well and the research study exists. Since the author and the title of the study was provided, I see no reason to delete the article. OTOH, graduate unemployment gives 2,000,000 results in the Google, so I do not agree with a merge because the article has notability per se. Page Up 12:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

This seems to be a legitimate article on a notable topic. That the body currently mentions just one country doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the topic itself. I think it's strange that if the article only described grad unemployment in the US it would be considered quite complete but because China is the only country mentioned the article lacks a 'balanced worldview'. Ideas for expansion of the article would be: --I (talk) 16:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Summarising the results and conclusions of studies on graduate unemployment
 * Summarising articles in printed media and on employment websites that may mention graduate unemployment
 * Discussion on what type of unemployment it may be (is it structural? i.e. a mismatch of skills. How does the ratio of unemployed graduates compare to the general unemployment level in various countries?)
 * statistics on graduate employment/unemployment (and for the wider population, for comparison)

The article is interesting, the discussion is interesting.

However, "unemployment" is itself a nebulous term, defined according to how a myriad of countries and local governments view who should be working. The statistic about graduate unemployment is useful in one way, which is to examine whether a society invests too much or too little in advanced education, and whether the focus of that education is appropriate. (The assumption, in this article, that "job-creating productive programmes" are the only other option is unfounded.)

The topic may be laden with original research in a way that isn't readily subject to rectifying. In what way is graduate unemployment different from "dropout unemployment", or "teen unemployment", or "veteran unemployment", or "working mother unemployment"? Is a veteran, working mother, who dropped out, unemployed because of one factor, all, or something else entirely? (To put forward what is probably a reasonable example: She chooses to spend time with her family, and doesn't want to work.)

The issue of graduate unemployment is more of a social, political basis for discussion, rather than a concrete topic for an encyclopedia.

There are a number of other, perhaps more minor, problems. Perhaps the article should limit itself to a discussion of why institutions such as colleges choose to compile the statistic, what the statistic is purported to mean, and then what use is made of it.

Alpha Ralpha Boulevard (talk) 19:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I would like to contradict you on the point of unemployment being a "a nebulous term, defined according to how a myriad of countries and local governments view who should be working" - that is incorrect. The measurement of unemployment has been made using a consistent statistical measure that's been standardised across the world since around 1980. The definition of unemployment is a person of working age who is seeking work (part of the labour force, see participation rate) but does not work for at least one hour per week. Whilst it may be argued that this measure of employment is flawed, it is applied consistently and universally therefore it is not governments that define unemployment nor is unemployment a nebulous term.


 * Unemployment is a subject that is of interest to both academics (economists etc.) and broader society (politics, business, investment, the labour force etc.) this article should be given time to grow and develop (including references and statistics) as I feel it is a legitimate and useful topic.
 * --I (talk) 02:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Factors influencing graduate unemployment
Graduate unemployment is a specific type of unemployment, which happens among people who hold academic degrees from higher education institutions. In many countries, graduate unemployment is a daunting problem in the labour markets. This article mentions two factors are important regarding graduate unemployment or underemployment, namely incidence and duration. However, Where are "incidence and duration" coming from? Social-economics factors are found for the graduate unemployment problem in Uganda. Since the increase in the number of universities, studends enrolled and graduates turned out in Uganda, more graduates face competition for employment opportunities. However, employment opportunities have not expanded proportionately. The graduates who were employed indicate that their first employment placement through a personal contact. A half available employment opportunities are distributed sociologically rather than meritoriously. It is difficult to get into employment for some graduates who lack of social contacts in the labour market. I strongly believe that socioeconomics affects graduate unemployment in the society. st9088 30,September 2007 (UTC)

wtf
Is this a legitimate article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.120.178 (talk) 05:49, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Unemployed college students
Many said that an education is the main ingredient to be a sucessful in life. But what if after ou graduated in college there is no job that is available to the course that you had taken? do you think that you will be successful??

Unemployed college students
Many said that an education is the main ingredient to be a sucessful in life. But what if after ou graduated in college there is no job that is available to the course that you had taken? do you think that you will bw successful?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.86.198.172 (talk) 02:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Graduate unemployment is unemployment among people with an academic degree. Research study[1] undertaken proved that the unemployment, and much more so, the underemployment of graduates, are devastating phenomena in the lives of graduates and a high incidence of either, are definite indicators of institutional ineffectiveness and inefficiency. It was found that an increasing number of graduates were in an unemployed occupational situation. However, the incidence of underemployment among the graduates much higher. Educated unemployment or underemployment is due to a mismatch between the aspirations of graduates and employment opportunities available to them. If the only benefit of a degree is improved workplace productivity, this represents a wasteful investment of scarce resources. Large sums of money have consequently been invested in educating unemployed or underemployed graduates which could otherwise have been invested in job-creating productive programmes. It was furthermore found that two factors are important regarding graduate unemployment or underemployment, namely incidence and duration. The duration of graduate unemployment in particular, appears to be a sharply declining function of age. It is principally a youth problem, most graduates finding a job after some time, the length of which varies with the fields of specialisation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.138.111.223 (talk) 13:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Word of advice - Stop blogging on Wikipedia and go apply for jobs
I honestly was looking for quantitative statistics on unemployment for those with a graduate degree,, not some bitter diatribe from someone who bashes the entire higher educational system because of his or her own personal experience. 108.65.89.98 (talk) 04:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

this page is a sham
I'm nominating it for deletion Racooon (talk) 17:18, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I moved the prod tag to the article where it belongs. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 20:52, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to be there anymore. Racooon (talk) 14:05, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Per the process, anyone can remove a prod tag from an article for any reason, or for no reason at all. You are free to nominate the article at Articles for deletion. If you need help with this, please let me know. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 16:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Institutional Research Statistics For Engineering
Every public educational intitution is required to keep statistics on their graduates. Some times it is called Institutional Research or such. These statistics may be of use in this article.Septagram (talk) 07:02, 27 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Also this is an interesting topic and I can see why people want it squelched or deleted.Septagram (talk) 07:02, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Updated information for the United Kingdom available
There is more recent information available, which is already in place in this page, I propose the current table be updated to reflect the most recent findings. 86.154.255.149 (talk) 14:43, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

After reading the entirely of this article I was surprised to see no information comparing graduate unemployment rates across various demographics. Are more men or women unemployed following graduation? Do certain races or ethnicities have higher graduate unemployment rates? Do immigrants have higher or lower rates when compared to residents and citizens of a country? I felt this was a significant hole in the articles presentation of research and data available.-- Cgsheehan (talk) 20:17, 17 September 2021 (UTC)