Talk:Grand Canyon Suite

Canon in D
Sorry as this might not be directly related, but is this related to a song, which I've met as titled "canyon", that uses Pachelbel's Canon?

--Cacumer 15:02, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


 * No connection at all! :) 213.208.117.47 18:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyright violation
First - '''In 1916, Grofé drove across the Arizona desert with friends to watch the sun rise over the Grand Canyon. Being heavily inspired by the spectacle, he subsequently wrote several pieces of music.[1]'''

This earlier editor at least gave credit, but this is not proper citation of the original. This needs to be a quotation, a drop quote.

Then we get into the nitty gritty here. In bold is the edits to the Wikipedia piece. Plain text is the original that has been plagiarized.

More than forty years later, during a radio interview, he recalled what he saw and felt.

During a radio interview more than forty years later, he described what he saw and felt.

He told how he and his pals had arrived and set up camp.

He told how he and his friends arrived and set up camp

The next morning, just before dawn, they got up to watch the sunrise.

and the next morning, just before dawn, they got up to watch the sunrise.

He described how at first, it was very silent; then, as the day got lighter, the sounds of the natural world began.

At first, it was very silent; then, as the day got brighter, the sounds of the natural world were first heard.

Suddenly the sun came up: the vision was so dramatic that he was unable to express it in words.

Suddenly the sun came up and the vision was so dramatic that he couldn't express it in words.

Inspired by this experience, Grofé composed a movement of the Grand Canyon Suite called "Sunrise" in 1929.

Inspired by this experience, Grofé composed a movement of the Grand Canyon Suite called "Sunrise" in 1929.

'''In 1930, he sketched out the "Sunset" and "Cloudburst" sections of the piece, but didn't have time to orchestrate them. He didn't get a chance to finish the Grand Canyon Suite until the summer of 1931.'''

In 1930, he sketched out the "Sunset" and "Cloudburst" sections of the piece, but lacked the time to orchestrate them. The Grand Canyon Suite was completed in the summer of 1931.

In November 1931, the Grand Canyon Suite premiered in Chicago at the Studebaker Theatre, played by Paul Whiteman's band.

In November 1931, the Grand Canyon Suite premiered in Chicago at the Studebaker Theatre, played by Paul Whiteman's band.

Is this plagiarism? HELL YES. Read http://www.plagiarism.org/plag_article_what_is_plagiarism.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Text_plagiarism if you don't understand how and why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.102.16.10  (talk • contribs)  17:01, 27 July 2009

Copyright problem removed
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Statement about "6th" movement not true in my copy of the score.
I consider this statement in the article questionable: "(In the conductor's score, the coda to the Cloudburst movement is notated as a separate movement: VI. Distant Thunder with Crickets Chirping)".

I have a copy of the orchestral score, which I assume is the score the conductor would use (it is a full score, not a piano reduction), and no part of the last movement is marked thus or made to look like a separate movement.

Since I cannot rule out the possibility that other copies of this score may be marked thus (although not mine), should I change the opening of the statement to "In some editions of the conductor's score..."? Is observing what is done in my own copy sufficient cause to dilute the absoluteness of the statement as it currently stands? M.J.E. (talk) 12:27, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I happened on this years later, having even forgotten that I wrote the above. Nothing's changed, and nobody has commented on what I wrote over 7 years ago.

I've decided to be a bit bolder and remove the statement as unsourced. If whoever wrote it (or anyone else) can find a source, they are of course welcome to reinstate it. But they should state that only some editions of the score have that 6th movement title, because my copy of it definitely does not. (The music in the 5th movement is continuous and I cannot even think of any point within it that could serve as an additional movement break.) M.J.E. (talk) 18:26, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

External links modified
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Mention of Grand Canyon Suite's inclusion into Everywhere at the end of time
I thought I would mention that the Grand Canyon Suite (movements 2, 1, 4) are used in Stage 2 of Leyland Kirby's "Everywhere at the end of time," with movement 4 in Stage 4's "G1," movement 2 in Stage 4's "J1," movements 4, 1 in Stage 5's "K1," movement 4 in Stage 5's "L1," movement 4 in Stage 5's "M1," and movement 1 in Stage 6's "Q1." It might not be notable enough to put on the page, but I thought it prudent to at least mention it. Keebruce (talk) 18:15, 22 October 2023 (UTC)