Talk:Grand Mufti of India

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THE FAKE Grand Mufti of India
The Official Organizations of Barelvi Muslims haven’t selected anyone to the post of Grand Mufti of India where as they have denied the selection of one Mr.Kanthapuram A.P.Abubacker Musliyar who is not a Hanafi follower at all. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 19:56, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Prominent news papers in the country The hindu and The times of india published news on Kanthapuram AP Aboobacker Musliyar is selected as the Grand Mufti of India. Links are added in the essay. but the User:Kanjikkuzhi distort this essy withoust any clear links, and he is making this false claims. that unauthentic detaials are removed  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 11:54, 3 March 2019 (UTC)


 * From the references given in the article, it is very clear that the existing Grand Mufti and the Deputy Grand Mufti were appointed by the Prominent Islamic organizations mentioned in the article. They don't even know a new Grand Mufti has been elected to the post. It's totally fake and sponsored drama by one south Indian Sunni Rebel leader Kanthapuram A.P. Abubacker Musliyar and his followers. If you are checking his history, you can see that he made these type of fake appointments for himself to make the people confused.


 * Also Grand Mufti of India was selected by the Prominent Group of Muslim Organizations who follows Hanafi ideologies where as this south Indian leader follows Shafi ideologies completely. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 10:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * In Wikipedia source, it should be reliable and authentic sources to be added the information. The predominant Sunni scholars of the country selected kanthapuram AP Aboobacker Musliyar to the position of New Grand Mufti, according to the Times of India, the most circulated and authentic newspaper in the country, report. So, without showing any evidence, writing one person's own calculation and false information is against the procedures of Wikipedia. that is removed here, and bring out the authentic information . School of thoughts diffrence in islamic jurispidence is not an issue to appoint someone to the position of Grand Mufti. Kanthapuram AP Aboobacker Musliyar had aquired all the knowledge in four school of thoghts, also got permission to give Fatwas in Four Madhabs from the time of his completion of Studies in Islamic theology.
 * Luqmankvk (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I have added all the details with very authentic references not a sponsored news given by the fake Mufti and the so called prominent Muslim organizations who are authorized to select the Grand Mufti don't know about his selection. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 10:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The Hindu and The Times of India are believed the most credible newspapers in India. The institutions you mentioned have not any authority to appoint the Grand Mufti. You should prove it. It was reported in Malayalam paper which was started to tarnish AP Aboobacker musliyar and that is not at all a source.
 * But Dozens of English, Urdu, Arabic prominent independent Newspapers reported that prominent scholars in India Appointed Kanthapuram AP Aboobacker as the Grand Mufti of India. Luqmankvk (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Don't try to fool yourself. Please check all the previous Grand Mufti's of India and check who selected those Grand Muftis.
 * You also agree with the statement that previous Grand Mufti's are the same what I have mentioned, but even though the authority who selected the current Deputy Grand Mufti and himself don't know this selection and paid news or sponsored drama will not be a proof for appointing a Grand Mufti. Grand Mufti will be appointed soon by the authorities whoever selected the previous Muftis and this fake Mufti's mask will be uncovered. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Also the news came in a news paper can't be considered as a solid evidence at all. Especially paid medias are common in India at the moment. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Could you please show me an official appointment letter from the authority showing Mr.Kanthapuram Aboobacker Musliyar has been appointed as the Grand Mufti of India. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Dear Admins,


 * Kindly go through the Discussions and identify the facts about the topic "Grand Mufti of India" as a user is always playing with this page by killing the details. (Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 10:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC))

@User:Kanjikkuzhi: Please reach a consensus before you delete reliably sourced information from the page. You need to cite a reliable source to verify your claim not just repeating your opinion that only Barelvi Muslims and Hanafis can choose the Mufti. Mr. Kanthapuram A.P. Aboobacker Musliyar's election to the post has been widely reported by all mainstream media. Instead of edit warring, you need to bring reliable sources for your claims. And note that no one has to produce the appointment letter here. If the medias widely reported it, then the information is already verified. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 12:10, 5 March 2019 (UTC)


 * As pid media is usual in India at the moment and argument is going on in this subject as the authorities who appointed the old Grand Mufti don't know about this appointment it is necessary to submit an appointment letter from them rather than submitting some paid news. (Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 12:59, 5 March 2019 (UTC))


 * We do not have any credible sources saying that his election to the position is contested. A statement from a user is not enough to doubt the sources. Please do not edit war in the page. What we seek is sources not your information on the matter. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 14:10, 5 March 2019 (UTC)


 * It’s very clear that you are editing some of my edits regarding the Deputy Grand Mufti of India with reliable sources to justify your edit is correct.


 * So, if you have any doubts or arguments with my edits kindly submit the proof here. We can discuss on the same.


 * (Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 15:09, 5 March 2019 (UTC))


 * The reference you provided in the page Deputy Grand Mufti of India did not even have a mention of Deputy Grand Mufti of India. The page easily qualifies for deletion as it does not have any reliable references to establish notability. I did not make any changes to the page but just added tags to improve the references. And there is nothing in it to do with my edits in this page. See, my edits are not any politically or religiously inclined. Whoever the Mufti is I don't have anything to care. I read the news of Mr. Kanthapuram A.P. Aboobacker Musliyar's election in newspaper and came here just to add that information when I noticed all this edit war and got myself involved.


 * For you to see the proofs, here they are:
 * https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/kanthapuram-grand-mufti-of-sunnis-in-india/article26379629.ece
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kozhikode/kanthapuram-selected-grand-mufti-of-india/articleshow/68175547.cms
 * https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/kanthapuram-elected-as-new-grand-mufti-religion-1.3599882


 * Now please stop edit warring in the page and please cite the sources for your claim. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 16:47, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Dear Malayala Sahithyam, please go through the article by Mr.Bahauddin Muhammed Nadvi, the Vice Chancellor of Darul Huda Islamic University on this subject which is published by a prominent newspaper “Suprabhatham” in Malayalam.

http://suprabhaatham.com/todays-article-grand-mufthi-01-03-2019/

The article clearly says the facts behind this Grand Mufti election and the history of Grand Muftis of India and also about the authorities who normally select this Grand Mufti.

They didn’t know about this new selection. There was also a media discussion on the same and I will submit you more evidences to prove Mr.Kanthapuram announced himself as the Grand Mufti of India.

(86.98.104.121 (talk) 04:21, 7 March 2019 (UTC))

How does a man, who is opposing kanthapuram ap aboobacker musliyar, ideologically for years, is an evidence in this issue. The man named Bahudheen, who wrote this essay is a member of the Foundation which was satrted by Yusuf Al Qardawi, A terrorist linked scholar, and a prominent Anti Sunni. this kind of self nerrated versions have come from the anti sunni mindset. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 06:10, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Mr.Bahauddin Muhammed Nadvi is not an anti Sunni, Please go through his biography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahauddeen_Muhammed_Nadwi


 * He is the Vice Chancellor of a well known Islamic University Darul Huda Islamic University from Kerala. http://www.dhiu.in/vc


 * He represents a very big group of Sunni Muslim Federation Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama and he is the member of the Central Council Member of the same organization. :https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jamiyyathul_Ulama.html


 * (94.200.229.66 (talk) 06:24, 7 March 2019 (UTC))

Dear Admins, Please not the above comment from a user named Luqman KVK, who publicly insult a great Islamic Scholar Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi by saying he is having the terrorist link through this page. Admins Kindly take this as a serious issue. (94.200.229.66 (talk) 06:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC))

The organisation mr Ndwi represnts is described in wiki pedia is so "Given Yusuf al-Qaradawi's support for suicide attacks, the IUMS was listed as a terrorist organization by various Arab countries, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the United Arabic Emirates and Bahrein.[8][9][10] IUMS's leader Yusuf al-Qaradawi's, named "the theologian of terror" by Irish media, is also banned from entering multiple countries, including the US, UK and France, despite holding a Qatari diplomatic passport. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Union_of_Muslim_Scholars — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 06:34, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

The page of Mr Bahaudheen has filled 90 percent of his own websites that is not credible according to the wiki laws. So, its notability shoulb be questioned until it is filled with authentic public sourses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 06:44, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The user luqmankvk says IUMS was listed in terrorist group but he don't have any evidence to justify his statement as Bahauddin Nadwi is the member of IUMS. He is insulting a great Sunni leader from Kerala without having any proper evidences. This is totally illeagal and should be considered as very very irrelevant. (94.200.229.66 (talk) 06:50, 7 March 2019 (UTC))

The above mentioned written texts from wiki pedia in the home page of IUMS is clear evidence, with proper links, what is the stance of IUMS related terrorism. So, a man who himself narrated the member of this organsation, also miight be part of the activities that organatios involved untill he is resigned — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 06:55, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't understand what he is saying, he don't even don't know the difference between IUML and IUMS. Are you trying to insult the wiki editors?


 * Please go through the news links other than websites for admin's reference.


 * http://twocircles.net/2015jun29/1435586531.html - Dr Bahauddin Nadwi gets warm reception in Kuwait


 * https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/Sibaq-arts-festival-draws-crowds/article14017106.ece - "Darul Huda Chancellor Sayed Hyderali Shihab Thangal inaugurated the festival. Vice Chancellor Bahauddin Nadvi presided. "


 * https://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/07/12/2017/Seminar-on-renovation-of-Islamic-education-in-S-Asia - (Dr Bahauddin Muhammad Nadwi, (pictured) Vice-Chancellor of Darul Huda Islamic University, will be the guest of honour. Dr Saeed Hudawi (Yobe University of Nigeria) and Anwer Ali Mavur (from DHIU, India) and Asfandair Ansari a leading scholar, will be presenters. )


 * (94.200.229.66 (talk) 07:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC))

What I wrote is the organisation International Union of Muslim Scholars is linked with islamic extremist activities, and Mr Bahaudheen is a member of it. That organization is not at all a Sunni oriented. So a man who is linked to anti sunni activities should have a dubious stance and all his arguments shoulde be viewed in such a perception too. The second one The organisation he represents in Kerala is worked like a part of Muslim League, a political oraganastaion and both the oragansations' one of the supreme leader is hyder ali thangal. Kanthapuram ap abobacker musliyar is not part of this political game in kerala, so hatever progress he brings out to the mulsims in coutry this nadvi comes to oppose it. Such a person involve this issues with lot of personal and ideological interets –(Luqmankvk)


 * Whatever written in Wikipedia is not written by Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi and he will not be responsible for the same. It’s very clear that he is the vice chancellor of a reputed and recognized Islamic University from Kerala and proofs say the same.
 * http://www.dhiu.in/vc
 * This is Not the place to insult someone personally without having a proper evidence by showing an incomplete Wikipedia page.
 * He is also the leader of majority of Sunni Muslims from Kerala, proofs say the same.
 * https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jamiyyathul_Ulama.html


 * This is not the place to play your cheap politics and vomit your information without any proper evidences. If he have noticed this, it will be a legal issue. (SHERIFFBLATHUR (talk) 03:58, 8 March 2019 (UTC))


 * Also, the sentence from the article “Politically linked Group lead by Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi” is totally wrong as it is totally a Sunni Muslim Organization as mentioned above. It doesn’t have any politics and it includes all the political viewers and workers.


 * https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/samastha-trains-its-guns-onyoung-sayeds-of-panakkad/article22288302.ece - says “The Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama, the biggest body of Sunni Muslims in Kerala, has trained its guns on two young members of the Panakkad Sayed Shihab family for their readiness to attend the ninth Mujahid State conference beginning at Kooriyad near Tirurangadi on Thursday.” (SHERIFFBLATHUR (talk) 04:13, 8 March 2019 (UTC))

As per the above mentioned link from The Hindu Newspaper, it’s very clear that Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi is the leader of Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala and the sentence “Politically linked oraganization” should be corrected by “Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala” (Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 05:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC))

Protected edit request on 10 March 2019
As per the news link from The Hindu Newspaper,

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/samastha-trains-its-guns-onyoung-sayeds-of-panakkad/article22288302.ece - says “The Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama, the biggest body of Sunni Muslims in Kerala

it’s very clear that Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi is the leader of Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala and the sentence “Politically linked oraganization” should be corrected by “Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala” 94.200.229.66 (talk) 09:23, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 00:43, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

The sentence "Politically linked group from Kerala" should be replaced by "Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala"
As per the news link from The Hindu Newspaper,

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/samastha-trains-its-guns-onyoung-sayeds-of-panakkad/article22288302.ece - says “The Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama, the biggest body of Sunni Muslims in Kerala

it’s very clear that Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi is the leader of Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala and the sentence “Politically linked oraganization” should be corrected by “Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala”

(Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 05:57, 12 March 2019 (UTC))

May be the biggest one, but it's clear that so called samastha is politically linked organization. Islu cute (talk) 17:54, 2 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Don't tell something blankly without having any evidence. Please provide some proofs which reveals the political link of Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama,
 * (Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 13:52, 7 April 2019 (UTC))

This Article Misleads the Wikipedia Users with a Fake Grand Mufti
From all news, articles and discussion what I understood is Mr.Kanthapuram’s Elevation as Grand Mufti is totally a Fake. He will be caught red handed soon. We can wait for that moment.

(86.98.104.121 (talk) 00:15, 13 March 2019 (UTC))

Mufti Asjad Raza Khan Elected As the Grand Mufti of India

 * Latest news has been released which says Mufti Asjad Raza Khan who is the son of Previous Grand Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan has been selected as the Grand Mufti of India. Source from Sri lankan national news paper:-
 * https://www.facebook.com/MuftiAsjadRazaKhanQadiri/photos/a.286399565416222/351886232200888/?type=3&theater
 * (94.200.229.66 (talk) 06:11, 7 April 2019 (UTC))

Latest news has been released which says Mufti Asjad Raza Khan who is the son of Previous Grand Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan has been selected as the Grand Mufti of India. Source from Sri lankan national news paper:- thumb|Grand Mufti_Daily News Srilanka

(Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 06:34, 7 April 2019 (UTC))


 * Official Press release from Barelvi Shareef As Ajad Raza Khan has been appointed as the Grand Mufti of India. All other news are fake:
 * See the below press release for reference:-
 * thumb|Press release from Bareily
 * (Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 06:43, 7 April 2019 (UTC))

Reliable sources
Please read about our reliable sources policy. The Times of India, a large, established well-known newspaper, qualify as a reliable source; Facebook posts and personal pages like "timesheadline.com" do not. OhNo itsJamie Talk 13:26, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Request for comment - Grand Mufti Controversy
Akhtar Raza Khan was formerly known as the Grand Mufti of India by Barelvi Muslims. Upon his passing, the position was left vacant with no formal announcement on who was to succeed him. On the 24th February 2019, a conference was held in Delhi where it was announced by a singular organisation that Kanthapuram will now be the Grand Mufti of India. This caused a split in India, with the followers and family of Akhtar Raza Khan, as well as other Muslims from Kerala, making a rival announcement that Asjad Raza Khan is actually the Grand Mufti. Some reconciliate the controversy by saying that Asjad Raza Khan is the Grand Mufti for Hanafi Muslims and Aboobacker is the Grand Mufti for Shafi‘i Muslims, as they both follow different versions of Islamic Jurisprudence, while others such as Dr. Bahaudeen Nadwi from his rival faction in Kerala refuse to accept him as Grand Mufti outright To summarise, it is inaccurate for this article to assert as fact that 1) Musliyar is the Grand Mufti and 2) Grand Mufti is a position appointed by All India Tanzeem Ulama E Islam - no citation provided for this, simply because an organisation appoints someone in this position does not mean they have a formal standing to do so e.g. Akhtar Raza Khan was not appointed by All India Tanzeem Ulama E Islam. 3) When a single organisation has appointed, it is incorrect to exaggerate this as plural "prominent Muslim organisations".

At the very least, this article should mention that Asjad Raza Khan has also been appointed, and not favour one individual over another. SunniObserver786 (talk) 23:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * This is not a valid WP:RFC but your own opinion; it is neither neutral nor brief. I have therefore deactivated it. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 11:08, 11 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I think it would be quite all right to mention this split in the article, it could at least be mentioned in the Kerala paragraph at the end. – Þjarkur (talk) 12:30, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 May 2019
I request you to change: 2405:204:D48B:3EFD:1A97:80B1:5E02:F1BB (talk) 04:02, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Change the field "incumbent" Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad
 * 2) And the field "native_name" مفتیٔ اعظم ہند
 * Is he more commonly referred to as "Abubakr Ahmad" than "Kanthapuram A.P. Aboobacker Musliyar"? – Þjarkur (talk) 10:36, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

We Request you to create a New Page for Shafii Grand Mufti Of India and Let this One be Hanafi Grand Mufti Of India RQ125 (talk) 01:12, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: You may request once more after creating the article B dash (talk) 06:01, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Non Hanafi Grand Mufti
This article is totally misleading one, Grand mufti along with akhtar Raza khan is Sayyed Madni miya, now Akhtar Raza Khan place is taken by his Son, Asjad Raza Khan There are two Grand Mufti Of India In Hanafi 1) Syed Muhammad Madni Ashrafi 2) Asjad Raza Khan Qadri RQ125 (talk) 01:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)


 * There is an RfC about it at Talk:Kanthapuram_A._P._Aboobacker_Musliyar. El_C 01:16, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Grand Mufti of India: Asjad Raza Khan
It's very clear that Mr.Asjad Raza Khan is the real Grand Mufti of India and all other news and messages are fake and created by a group of people who even don't have the majority in their region itself. The Daily News, Srilanka's National news paper says Mr.Asjad Raza Khan is the grand Mufti of India. http://www.dailynews.lk/2019/04/23/local/183570/extreme-ideologies-must-be-repelled-indian-grand-mufti?fbclid=IwAR14RruVqEQO0CjPdlCVeBrbi5p1CB6Qg1gLdAeSs2f6Lmi-VGaWf3fthaA

Also, the Daily Mirror also says the Grand Mufti of India is Asjad Raza Khan:

http://epaper.dailymirror.lk/epaper/iphone/homepage.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3Xpmbt7p9VlcZFAwidhd_Ganc9z390F_c9m8AbFILS68QADpeowBe0tMI#_articlef74e80d2-d278-4f2f-9485-e796d76addb7

(Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 12:01, 25 May 2019 (UTC))
 * I don't think your claim that The Hindu and The Times of India are "fake news" are going to get much traction. The article already mentions that an organization disputes the current selection. The majority of reliable sources are in agreement with what is stated here. I'd also advise that you read WP:SPA and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 23:08, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar is the current Grand Mufti of India. all others were declared by under an institute. Kanthapuram_A._P._Aboobacker_Musliyar was elected by All India Tanzeem Ulama E Islam, a scholastic body.

The Daily News, United Arab Emirates's news paper says Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar is the grand Mufti of India. https://al-ain.com/article/mufti-india-designation

Also, the other prominent medias also says the Grand Mufti of India is Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kozhikode/kanthapuram-selected-grand-mufti-of-india/articleshow/68175547.cms

https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/kanthapuram-elected-as-new-grand-mufti-religion-1.3599882

https://www.khaleejtimes.com/nation/abu-dhabi/education-is-key-to-peace-says-indias-grand-mufti

https://al-ain.com/article/mufti-india-condemns-new-zealand-terrorist-attack

http://www.akhbar-alkhaleej.com/news/article/1167760

http://wam.ae/ar/details/1395302764380

Irfan Arimbra (talk) 10:26, 27 May 2019 (IST)

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Merge pages

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Grand Muftiship of Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad is proposed to merge with this page. Separate existence of that Page not required. Most of data are same, can be description of current Mufti.--Irshadpp (talk) 08:26, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't merge Grand Muftiship of Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad to Grand Mufti of India as per result of the discussion. ❁ᴀᴜᴛʜᴏʀ❁  (❁ᴅᴏᴍ❁) 11:56, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Mentioned discussion not about the suggested merging--Irshadpp (talk) 06:54, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge: Merging to here has various problems and means appropriate weight may be difficult to achieve. I note from a technical point of view the Template:MergeFrom and Template:MergeTo appear not reference the dicussion section per the template examples and that the talk page is a redirect; so various technical oppositions as well.  This recent AfD: Articles for deletion/Grand Muftiship of Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad was not even mentioned on the discussion introduction! Djm-leighpark (talk) 13:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge: As per the recent Afd discussion. ❁ᴀᴜᴛʜᴏʀ❁  (❁ᴅᴏᴍ❁) 12:32, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: This merge discussion is a complete shambles. The merge templates were never set up properly to point to a section, the discussion was on Talk:Grand Mufti of India/GA1 and now cut/paste moved here.  Some !votes have not been signed.  @: please withdraw this to avoid me raising a request for closure at Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure; otherwise please raise it there yourself.  Thankyou.  Djm-leighpark (talk) 08:14, 17 March 2020 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Real name of Sheikh Abubakr Ahmed
According to this page, and news references his real name is Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar. Advise the guide lines of wikipedia regarding alternate names.

Salutations
Sheikh, allama are salutations, not part of name. According to guidelines, which have to be avoided.

--Irshadpp (talk) 10:23, 8 March 2020 (UTC)


 * @: This is not my specialist area, and you haven't referred to the guidelines etc you've looked up. My take on this is, and I am by no means certain, per WP:COMMONNAME, Sheikh Abubakr Ahmed is probably the common name.  While per MOS:HONORIFIC the honorific Sheikh would normally be omitted this would probably come under the exception "Where an honorific is so commonly attached to a name that the name is rarely found in English reliable sources without it, it should be included.".  For further advice I suggest asking at e.g. WP:TEAHOUSE.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 15:12, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

@: Wikipedia avoiding such salutations (Manual_of_Style/Biography) like in articles Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, Ali al-Qaradaghi, Mahmud Shaltut, Ibn Taymiyyah etc. In this article, his real name is Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar. As he is Abubakr s/o Ahmed, arab media called him Abubakr Ahmed with honorary salutation Sheikh, which means leader. Even in article about him stated that he also known as Sheikh Abubakr Ahmed. But in other related articles, this name is projected as real name. --Irshadpp (talk) 11:19, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * @: To perhaps state the obvious have you sought advice at the WP:TEAHOUSE (or at some other suitable forum e.g. WikiProject India?) or are you simply intrepreting things yourself? If you have please point at that discussion.  If you have not done that ... well ... what can I say really?  In all events you may be looking at a contentious move in which case go through that procedure at WP:MOVE.  Thankyou.  Djm-leighpark (talk) 13:15, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Current Grand Mufti of India is Shaikh Abubakar Ahmed as per reliable sources. The second claimant is Mufti Asjad with no reliable Sources thanksThe cool mew (talk) 19:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Talk dont edit war

 * Please ensure you use the talk page and don't get into an edit war as you are likely to have different points of view on some points and reliable sources themselves may at times be contradictory and at times this article may need to present two different viewpoints. In the event of any problems I suggest raising at appropriate WikiProjects and going to arbitration.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Current Grand Mufti of India Dispute
As far as I can make out there are two claims for Grand Mufti of India, probably as explained by, which is why a ding-dong is occuring over who the Grand Mufti of India is. Rather than having a running edit war can the completing claims be placed here in a way people with no knowledge of the background of the claims can understand. Thankyou Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ. We do not regard Musliyar as Grand Mufti of India. Neither is he much known to public, nor his few fatwa's. I don't know how he got this much coverage. I feel to make it clear, that for fatawas Indian Muslims look at Darul Ifta's, the schools established for legal and religious guidance of Muslims. The top of them being the one at Darul Uloom Deoband, others include the one at Madrasa Shahi, Moradabad — however, right after Kifayatullah Dehlawi, Deobandi's have regarded no one as Grand Mufti of India, and this is why the likes of Mahmood Hasan Gangohi are only called as Grand Muftis of Darul Uloom Deoband. See, for example Times of India and Hindustan times and New statesman which mentions Mufti Habibur Rahman as the seminary's Grand Mufti. The Barelwi's regard their scholars as Grand Mufti of themselves. Musliyar is however, chosen by some organizations to be their Grand Mufti — and thus he is not Grand Mufti of India at whole? Though, accepted to his followers. I request a History section be added which discusses all these issues; only that can protect this page from 3-sided vandalism. Telegraph states that Kashmir has a separate Grand Mufti, similarly there is Amarat-e-Shariyah in North-East India, with which Mujahidul Islam Qasmi was associated, he is known as Qazi only because he was the top authority in giving rulings. There are some other issues as well. Best - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 03:25, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yet another report from The Milli Gazette says that Fuzailur Rahman Hilal Usmani is Grand Mufti of Punjab. Darul Iftaa Malawi mentions Mufti Abdur Raheem Lajpuri as former Grand Mufti of Gujarat, and Mufti Ahmad Khanpuri of Jamia Islamia Talimuddin, Dabhel as incumbent. I'm collecting more examples to support my view - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 03:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Baseerat online here mentions Azizur Rahman Fatehpuri as Grand Mufti of Maharashtra. It is supported by this report of Millat Times. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 03:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Historical evidence is missing for the previous grand mufties. Why only now this term had emerged while Musliyar became in this position. Regarding previous grand mufti, Moulana Akhtar Raza Khan we can see below the news while his demise.
 * (Mentioned as Renowned Barelvi cleric Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan....)
 * (Mentioned as Mufti of Barelvi sect)
 * (Mentioned as Noted Barelvi cleric Azhari Miyan....)
 * What is interesting is no one mentioned him as grand mufti of India.
 * Another source, TheMuslim500-2017 clearly says that Mufti Muhammad Akhtar Raza Khan is the leader of the Indian Barelwis and considered by his followers as the Grand Mufti of India. It should be noted that it is consideration of own followers. Similarly, Musliyar considered as Grand Mufti of India by his followers. This is not an official posting of government or community.--Irshadpp (talk) 18:07, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thankyou for useful contributions so far. One way I might see forwrd is adding a section to the article to say some groups do not regard XXX but see others another as the highest Mufti for their School of Islam (apologies if I have not put that right).  A hatnote may need to indicate that being the Grand Mufti of a state such as e.g. Kerela does not qualify as the overall grand Mufti of India for this article.  Apologies if I have invertently got something wrong here.  Can I also ask if Mufti is a Sunni only term?  Also if there any connection between the Indian Government and the Grand Mufti?  (I'm currently busy in RL & WP and finding difficult to give my attention to this) Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:38, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Mufti normally, in today's scenario is used for someone who studies the ifta course at any seminary. It is not same as faqeeh who interprets Quran and takes rulings out of that, a Mufti is one, who gives a religious verdict referencing it back to faqeeh. For example, Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari has a fatawa institute in Leicester, and in a fatwa, he mentions, Mufti Taqi Usmani, Ibn Abidin, Muhammad Yousuf Ludhyanwi have ruled so and so, and this is my opinion. The latter people are then fuqaha because they derive the ruling from explicit texts.


 * I do not think that Mufti is a Sunni only term. As I have stated, that in India, different states have their state Mufti, whom they call their Grand Muftis, like the Grand Mufti of Jammu and Kashmir is connected with governmental office, as [BBC Urdu] states but that doesn't make him GRAND MUFTI OF INDIA at any cost. Musliyar has neither been selected by the state Muftis who've highest authorities in respective states, and nor has he been selected by top religious institutions of India. He is selected by which community? Most probably, a non notable one, which doesn't have a WP. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 00:01, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Update wikipedia article about grand mufti of india, Add it both of them in list or remove it both, because newspaper written about both of them as a grand mufti of india, so putting Abu Bakr name in list and not putting  Asjad Raza name in list is not fair.  One thing is that Hanafi can't follow other imam jurisprudence, however, other imam can follow hanafi jurisprudence, because Imam E Azam is the eldest imam in all  four imam.  So, this reason also a grand mufti will be a hanafi only. KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 16:00, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @ I take this as request to update the article, the problem is no sources and mostly WP:OPINION and WP:OR. I understand your believe this article may not have a neutral WP:POV.  You might try preparing the expected content in your sandbox or a user page with fully embellished cites/quotes of WP:RS sources could help; alternatively seek advice at e.g. WP:TEAHOUSE.  Thankyou. 17:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 May 2020

 * Comment: My immediate concern is to warn people about clicking off Wiki links. @ please note there is a very specific way of asking for exits on edit extended-protected and a This template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it.  My reading of your request is that it does not do this.  I will leave another more experienced to answer fully. Djm-leighpark (talk) 15:09, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * While the comment above might strange @ has removed content of this section including the links I was concerned about; refer to history if necessary but please take due diligence if exploring any of the off-wiki links.    Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 16:56, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

No update till now, don't know why?
Is this really a neutral article of Grand mufti of india?, I, don't think so, I, already told that Please Update Wikipedia article about grand mufti of india, Add it both of them in list or remove it both, because newspaper written about both of them as a grand mufti of india, so putting Abu Bakr name in list and not putting Asjad Raza name in list is not fair for Wikipedia. One thing is that Hanafi can't follow other Imam jurisprudence, However, others Imam can follow Hanafi jurisprudence, because Imam E Azam is the eldest Imam in all four Imams. So, This reason also a grand mufti will be a Hanafi only. But, I Don't no why this article is not updating till know. KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 11:15, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @ I am seeing your WP:OPNION and point of view here, and nothing which is not WP:UNDUE if added to the article. If it can be independently source that some Hanafi do not accept whoever as the Grand Mufti then there may be a sentence/paragraph that can be edited into the article.  But this needs to be read and make sense to Non-Muslims who start with no knowledge of the religion or the terminology whatsoever.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 12:54, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I, have tried to write an article on Grand Mufti of India, take a look in my sandbox, I, hope this is a neutral article on the topic. KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 10:53, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 June 2020
Notes KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 03:35, 2 June 2020 (UTC) KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 03:35, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jack Frost (talk) 05:52, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 June 2020
KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 07:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

== This one Is 'X' ==

CONTENT REMOVED: Talk page syntax disrupting content removed including live categories etc. See page history for details. Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

== This one Is 'Y' ==

CONTENT REMOVED: Talk page syntax disrupting content removed including live categories etc. See page history for details. Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

This might be a Neutral article for Grand Mufti of India, Not in Supporting and not in Against to any one. Thanks KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 07:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Not done: A full rehash and replace of the article cannot be readily evaluated. You need to propose changes in smaller, clearer pieces. —C.Fred (talk) 14:26, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 June 2020
Notes KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 07:24, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * See above. —C.Fred (talk) 14:26, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

All India Tanzeem Ulamae Islam and All India Sunni Jamiyyathul Ulama
I would like to understand the nature and significance of the following organisations in the lede: All India Tanzeem Ulamae Islam and All India Sunni Jamiyyathul Ulama. I have started a draft article for the former at Draft:All India Tanzeem Ulamae Islam and requested a refund to draft for the latter due to Articles for deletion/All India Sunni Jamiyyathul Ulama. Due to their seeming involvement in the election I would be surprised if they could not be seen to be notable, but anything is possible. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:29, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

the Electoral college
The Electoral college was introduced to the list of Grand Mufti's table at. My "electoral college" can simply mean the group who elects someone. As used in the article this implies on a casual read, especially when prefixed by "the", that there has been a continuous college ... it is not cited that this is the case, and my best good faith understanding, possibly incorrect, is different bodies have done the election. Additionally the cn's have not been resolved. All considered I am removing instances of the Electoral College from the article. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:40, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

This is "X"
The Grand Mufti of India is the most senior and influential religious authority of the Islamic Community of India. The Grand Mufti is elected and appointed by the All India Tanzeem Ulamae Islam and the All India Sunni Jamiyyathul Ulama. The incumbent is Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad.

This Is "Y"
Grand Mufti of India (Qazi-ul-Quzat fil Hind or Qadi-ul-Qudat  fil Hind) is the most senior and influential religious authority of the Islamic Community of India, When Muslim kings ruled in India. They start appointing the Qazi-ul-Qazat (Grand Mufti) for better justice system in the country. Now, India is secular country, so, there is no official post of Grand Mufti in India and not directly elected or appointed by government of India, The Grand Mufti of India in India is elected and appointed by Ulema E Ahle Sunnah. KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 17:08, 8 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I don't see how this would improve the lead to fit with our guidelines on the matter. Using a 1994 book to claim radically different information about some information which is reliably contradicted by more recent sources is also not helpful. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:03, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Grand Mufti Of India Mufti Asjad Raza Khan Qadri
Grand Mufti of India is Mufti Asjad Raza Khan Qadri S/o late Grand Mufti of India Mufti Akhtar Raza from Bareilly. "change Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad to Asjad Raza Khan" Mohibbul Raza (talk) 10:51, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Please provide a reliable source that supports the change you wish to make. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

He is not real grand mufti of india
He is a self proclaimed fake grand mufti. I don't know why his name appears so while the real grand mufti who is in line of the grand muftis from the time of Aurangzeb is actually alive now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4073:29F:4196:E7D8:5A0D:1372:73CD (talk) 14:00, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Grand Mufti Of India
New Grand Mufti Of India Is Mufti Asjad Raza Khan

Shaykh Abu Bakr Is Not a grand Mufti Of India 223.184.153.171 (talk) 19:08, 13 December 2021 (UTC)


 * WP:RS Sources needed to support claim. Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:20, 13 December 2021 (UTC)