Talk:Grand Prince of Vladimir

Change "Kiev" to "Kyiv"
Need rename name to Kyiv, because Kiev - Russian pronouncements. Kyiv - its international name capital of Ukraine and Kyivan Rus' Yarslv (talk) 23:15, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:KYIV and familiarize yourself on the policy on consensus. The article title is also Kievan Rus', so there is no reason to use a different spelling. Mellk (talk) 23:28, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Mellk is correct, there is no compelling reason to change the spelling inside this article. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:47, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Grand Prince rather than Duke
I don't expect this to be controversial, so I won't dignify it with a formal WP:RM, but just in case, I'll state the reasons before I will make the move. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:31, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Grand Prince of Vladimir already redirects here
 * The category is Category:Grand Princes of Vladimir, the parent Category:Princes of Vladimir
 * WP:TITLECON The relevant Old East Slavic term is (velikiy) knyaz, which is applied to all other (Kievan) Rus' princes, see Category:Noble titles of Kievan Rus
 * WP:COMMONNAME
 * Google Ngram finds "grand prince of vladimir" has been the WP:COMMONNAME since 1960 and is currently about 10x more popular than "grand duke of vladimir"
 * Google Ngram finds "grand principality of vladimir" has been the WP:COMMONNAME since 1970 and is currently about 5x more popular than "grand duchy of vladimir"
 * Google Scholar finds "grand prince of vladimir" 351 results, "grand principality of vladimir" 107 results versus "grand duke of vladimir" 91 results. "grand duchy of vladimir" 64 results

When did prince become grand prince?
See Talk:Vladimir-Suzdal for discussion. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:08, 17 July 2023 (UTC)