Talk:Grand River (Ontario)

Factual Dispute Tag
I cleaned up a few obvious native historical "clangers" to start, but this section needs serious attention. I'll try to get back to it myself when I have time. Deconstructhis 22:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

My Reverting of The Edit In The History Section
I didn't revert the edit because the material you removed isn't redundant in some ways, which is fairly obvious if you read the section as a whole. The entire history section of this article is still in very bad shape in my opinion, I'd suggest that its got non NPOV issues in several spots, the tone it's written in and choice of words seem somewhat "chatty" and unencyclopedic to me and worst of all it continues to contain, what I'd argue, are historical inaccuracies in some places. Instead of editing out the paragraph that was removed today, which contained a link to a map, as well as an internal link to the ongoing Caledonia land dispute, a subject quite relevant in the Grand Valley these days, I'd like to see the entire history section itself brought up to a higher standard. In my opinion, from a historical perspective, the article itself would benefit more if some of the earlier comments in it regarding the acquisition of the land by the Six Nations were edited out and replaced by the material that was removed today. As I said back in August, I'm willing to work on this article myself as time allows, but in my opinion it doesn't make sense removing content that's not only relevant and contains references, it's actually of a higher quality than what remains. Deconstructhis 20:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Move Content
I would recommend that post 1784 content relating to the Grand River Indian reserve be removed and relocated to Six Nations 40, Ontario where I think it rightly belongs. I have also being added relevant content at Haldimand Proclamation. BradMajors 16:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you mean literally that *all* content regarding native issues in the Grand Valley, post 1784, should be removed and contextualized somewhere else, I'd have to say that I'm not in agreement with that position. I can see how it would be possible to reduce the amount of detail regarding those matters in the present article without substantially damaging the overall value of it, however I am solidly against simply moving to another article, all material relating to the activities of natives in the valley post 1784.Deconstructhis 20:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Let me reword my comment: There are multiple articles which contain duplicate and contradictory information concerning early land ownership issues in the Grand Valley.  A traditional approach where content is relevant to multiple articles is for each of the articles to contain a summary of the content and for each of them to link to a common article for detailed information. BradMajors 22:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Claims On The Valley In Brant's Time
[material I removed}

"Conveniently, there was one large swath of land unclaimed by any native or European settlers that made for a perfect resettlement of the Six Nations, the Grand River Valley which the Six Nations forefathers had previously cleared."

It dosen't matter if you accept either the Nanfan Treaty of 1701, in which the Confederacy supposedly relinquished its claims to the Beaver Hunting Lands of southern Ontario to the British, including the Grand Valley, or to the idea that the Mississaugas held claim to the Valley by right of conquest over the Haudenosaunee in the late 1600's, in either case, there were still definitely "claims" on the valley by people during the last half of the 1700's by at least one group, perhaps several. The statement that the valley was previously "cleared" by "Six Nations forefathers" is misleading in my opinion, it implies that there was large scale community development in the valley on the part of the Haudenosaunee people previous to their arrival under Joseph Brant and that's simply not true. regards Deconstructhis (talk) 09:19, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

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Six Nations of the Grand River is: Indian reserve in Ontario, Canada
So I fix the internal link (red) · Six Nations of the Grand River, Ontario changing it to Six Nations of the Grand River, at the text. And better doing a REDIRECT Six Nations of the Grand River, too. --Pla y Grande Covián (talk) 07:02, 18 June 2023 (UTC)