Talk:Grand Teton National Park/Archive 1


 * (cur) (last) . . M 07:02, 31 Jan 2004 . . Maveric149 (sorry, that doesn't work at high res)

What doesn't work is the current image placement. At least in my browser, the photo overlaps completely with the map of the U.S. This is of course why I changed it in the first place.  09:21, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * What resolution do you have your screen set at? Sounds like it is less than 800px wide. With your version, at 1024+ the table shifts left and really messes up the article's formatting. --mav

Nearest City?
I realize that the definintion of "city" connotes a metro area of a some size, but the City article itself is unclear about that size definition. Certainly the nearest "city", with hotels, gas stations, airport, macdonalds, and shopping malls in Jackson, Wyo. But if we are really looking at metros above "town", (and Jackson is relatively big for Wyoming), then what about Idaho Falls, or Boise?


 * A city is any incorporated community. Jackson fits that def. --mav 05:07, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Jackson also has an airport with commercial traffic, and has more than a little lodging.


 * Jackson is just south of the National Elk Refuge, which is just south of Grand Teton's park borders, though you have to drive a bit to get to an actual park entrance station. Said another way, the park entrance station lies several miles within park boundaries. Jackson airport also lies within park boundaries.--Tachikoma 00:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Copyright violation tag
Is a bit odd considering that the text is in the public domain. It is from http://www.nps.gov/grte/cult/creation.pdf and NPS policy is that  "Information presented on this website, unless otherwise indicated, is considered in the public domain.". I will remove the tag in 24 hours. --mav (talk) 19:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. --mav (talk) 00:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The text is in the public domain, but you may not copy it without noting that it is copied either by:
 * 1) Clearly quote ("this and that") with credit to the source you quote from.
 * 2) Clearly state that you've copied the text, and clearly state which parts are copied.

Right now, as far as I can tell "Fight for preservation" "Geology" and "Biology" and perhaps others were copied verbatim (not "adapted"). You can copy, but you cannot present what you copied as something written by you or WP contributors.

To exemplify the shamelessness of this copy&paste act, here are the two opening paragraphs of the biology section: Wikipedia: Over 1000 species of vascular plants grow in Grand Teton National Park and the surrounding area. Some trees, such as the Whitebark Pine, Limber Pine, Subalpine fir, and Engelmann Spruce can survive the cold windy slopes and alpine zone high up in the Tetons to around 10,000 feet (~3000 m). Other evergreens, like the Lodgepole Pine, Douglas Fir, and Blue Spruce, are more commonly found on the valley floor, while the aspens, cottonwoods, alders, and willows prefer the moist soils found along the rivers and lakeshores.

Grand Teton forests generally contain two or three different types of trees growing together in a specific habitat type. These forests merge into one another in zones called ecotones, which creates edge habitat for various species of wildlife. Some animals, like the red squirrel, pine marten, and black bear spend most of their time in the forests. Others, such as moose, elk (also known as the wapiti), and wolves, seek the forest for shade and shelter during the day and move out to the sagebrush or meadows to feed in the early mornings and evenings.

And here are those exact same sentences, as they appear here and here:
 * Over 1000 species of vascular plants grow in Grand Teton National Park and the surrounding area. Some trees, such as the whitebark and limber pines, sub-alpine fir, and engelmann spruce can survive the cold windy slopes and alpine zone high up in the Tetons to around 10,000 feet. Other evergreens, like the lodgepole pine, Douglas fir, and blue spruce, are more commonly found on the valley floor, while the aspens, cottonwoods, alders, and willows prefer the moist soils found along the rivers and lakeshores.


 * Grand Teton forests generally contain two or three different types of trees growing together in a specific habitat type. These forests merge into one another in zones called ecotones, which creates edge habitat for various species of wildlife. Some animals, like the red squirrel, pine marten, and black bear spend most of their time in the forests. Others, such as moose, elk, and wolves, seek the forest for shade and shelter during the day and move out to the sagebrush or meadows to feed in the early mornings and evenings.

I'll wait for a few days to see if it is clearly indicated that the parts are copied. If not, they should be removed from the article entirely. Ori Redler (talk) 01:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I've been here since the first year of the project and throughout that time it has been a common and encouraged practice to find good PD text and adapt it for use in Wikipedia (some text needs more adaptation than other text). At the time that this particular text was added there was no easy method for and in fact it was not at all common to use inline citations. Noting where the text came from in the references section was the norm and that is what was done here. I will add inline citations to bring this to current WP:V standards. --mav (talk) 12:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * NOTE: There is something wrong with the NPS website so I can't add inline cites yet. I'll check back in a couple days. In the meantime, I think I'll start to work this to FA standard. --mav (talk) 22:06, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Formatting
We have both a geography and a geology section...now I just created a climate subsection (which needs expansion) and want to add a section on glaciers/glaciation...any suggestions on formatting these sections?--MONGO 18:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

History
I'm not satisfied with the "almost inevitably, the park and monument were combined in 1950." While that may be true, it required a volley of threats by Rockefeller in 1949, and its tone to me projects the wrong emphasis.
 * A very brief mention of the formerly extensive development in the park and its removal might be worth a brief mention (it can point to the summary article on historic structures for more detail), as well as the presence of a significant airport in the park.
 * The line about cattle ranches adding dude ranch services might be made more concise and accurate, since there were a number of dude ranches started from scratch: "In response to the increased tourism, dude ranches were established to provide urbanized travelers with the experience of ranch life. Acroterion   (talk)   01:12, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't like the way I phrased that either...will make adjustments this week. And yeas...more regarding the removed structures and a blurb about the airport too. Thank you.--MONGO 02:50, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

To do list
Any other suggestions?--MONGO 04:11, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Geology section needs to be rewritten and referenced.
 * Ecology section:
 * Flora needs to be rewritten and referenced.
 * Fauna needs to be rewritten and referenced.
 * *Water and air quality needs to be added.
 * Fire ecology needs to be added.
 * Endangered species, habitat issues and related matter needs expansion.
 * A paragragh on lodging needs to be added to the Tourism section.
 * A recreation section needs to be added.
 * Revisit the introduction and expand to meet MOS
 * Not at this time...its up to you buddy.--MONGO 03:35, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Slowly making necessary adjustments.--MONGO 22:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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 * Snowmobiling
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