Talk:Grand Theft Auto/Archive 1

I found a website about a new type of Grand Theft Auto game for NES. This one is called Grand Theftendo. Is it Wikipedically appropriate to make an article like this? If it is, a Wikipedian can type it. It is one of the coolest concepts for adopting GTA to an 8-bit universe. --SuperDude 01:46, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, there is an article on Zelda Classic, and all that is is basically a fanmade remake. I'm not sure how famous these games have to be to have an article for them. --TheDotGamer Talk 02:53, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's already in there, just not named. I'll rectify that. Sockatume 11:25, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Someone's already made a WP entry about it, so I've changed the link to link to that. Master Thief Garrett 11:08, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Genres
Most of the GTA game articles are in the category third-person shooter. I think this is inaccurate, because although the games do use third-person perspective, the focus is not entirely on gun-based combat (in contrast to a true third-person shooter like Max Payne). The GTA games combine shooting, driving, questing (missions), and exploration. I'd consider them to be in the action genre, maybe even action-adventure. --Poiuyt Man (talk)  22:54, 4 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Agreed, but it's somewhat difficult to say how to categorise it... you can go ahead and change it to action-/adventure, but be sure to still mention the third-person perspective. Master Thief Garrett 23:18, 4 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, sorry if I replied to this part incorrectly.. I was unable to find reply button somewhere nearby so I have to use edit button, although I'm particularly nervous about going that way since I could accidentally delete someone's comments here so I hope I don't screw up this time. >_> Anyway, I want to also add that with Vice City and San Andreas (and most likely future sequels/prequels except for LCS and GTA Advance since it doesn't seem to have that particular feature IIRC but it's possible the PS2 version of LCS being worked upon at this time may include it but that's unlikely)), it has introduced the concept of real estate (acquiring assets/purchasing properties) so that kind of blows the the idea of labeling those two incarnations as action/adventure out of the water.


 * In other word, it now mixes in the action/third-person shooter/adventure with strategies/simulation/racing/etc. Genre are no longer distinctive as it used to be in old days. Certainly SimCity 4 go that way too, with introduction of UDI (U-Drive-It) features, as does The Sims 2, Civilization series, etc. So the genre is pretty much dead now. Unfortunately, our human tendency requires us to give them their own genre so that won't be certainly an easy one. >_> Legion 19:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Am i the only ONE?
Am I the only one who is a apalled by the blatently homsexual imagery hidden in games like Grand theft Auot?! coupled with out right incourragement of "alternative lifestyles", and subiminal imagery designed to mae teenagers think shooting cops is cool, and ghetto losers are good, just more liberals trying to impose their "toleracne" on othr peoples children--152.163.101.10 15:43, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * yes, you are the only one, now shut up, and stop giving my ip range a bad name--152.163.101.10 16:01, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


 * The more obvious question is: Am I the only one who is appalled AT your catastrophically bad language skills? The orthography is TERRIBLE, the syntax is - although much better if compared to the spelling - somewhat awkward...and style? Well, it's non-existent. Not to mention the fact that "tolerACNE" (I'm quoting you) has nothing to do with acne (pun intended).

I suggest that you stop worrying about "liberals" trying to undermine the morals of children, for whom this series is clearly not designed - that's why virtually every release has a "M" rating - thus demonstrating that it's not suited for kids. And adults should clearly distinguish between a virtual scenario and the real world and accordingly act in different moral systems. I also suggest that - instead of posting such rubbish - you 1) get rid of your homophobia (I'm referring to your statement about "homosexual imagery") and 2) improve your English, especially if you are a native speaker of the language. Then you certainly should be able - after some training, of course - to surpass a foreigner like me. --Vargher 11 Jan 2006, 22:20 (GMT)


 * Hakusa - Wiki addict: 02:58, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Who'd of thunk that games for adults would be thought as games for kids, by the demographic the game is targeted for.


 * please this is not a forum but a discussion to help better the GTA page Trick man01 23:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Series box
What would people say to removing the current previous/next game box on each game page, and replacing it with a series box, such as the one for Half Life? Orange Goblin 11:03, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea. Obviously the current box makes it tedious for anyone to reach any titles at times. I'll work on that. ╫ 25 ring-a-ding  10:50, 10 August 2005 (UTC) ╫

Time Period

 * 2001 - Grand Theft Auto III


 * The guy who write this didn't play the game. If it had played, would know that in the Yakuza mission it's 1996. --Mateusc 02:36, 15 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Um, I think you're wrong. Or, at lesat, all issues of The Liberty Tree are dated 2001, and Liberty City Stories is already said to be set three years before GTAIII in 1998. GarrettTalk 05:26, 15 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Please state how the game is set in 1996 and which yakuza mission!? The Time Killer

How in the world could you think it was 1996? It's set in the present day, so it's set in 2001 since the game came out in 2001. If you still don't believe it after looking at the liberty tree or reading articles about developers saying that it takes place in 2001 then just simply listen to the radio; at one point there's a commercial in which a lady advertises something "for all your 21st century technological needs". Anyways, someone had changed Grand Theft Auto Advance to 2001 which is incorrect - it was stated by the developers before the game came out that it takes place a year before Grand Theft Auto III - the year 2000. I fixed it. -zeppelincheetah

Hey, I thought it was set in 1993, just because I figured that story would happen just as soon as catalina and the mute made it to Liberty City. PJ

How's for a controversy section?
Hakusa - Wiki addict: 03:17, September 6, 2005 (UTC) While I have no idea who I'd use as refferences, every gamer knows that GTA is one of the most argued about games of all time. Families sue Rockstar for making their kids go out and shoot cars with shotguns, while others say the perents showed neglect. Political people blame GTA for the perversion of our country, but others say they only say that to win the next election. A poster above claims GTA promotes homosexuality, while I think Rockstar was very homophobic in their gay jokes. (Altough I do not think homosexuality should be in the artical because it is not our place to say whether it is right or wrong.) So I was thinking of these issues:
 * Instigates crime or false blame?
 * Kids are badly effected, or kids aren't supposed to play in the first place, or the perents were probably neglectfull.
 * GTA is the perversion of our country, or it reflects the perversion of our country.

Liberty City Stories Sequel
During the 3rd Quarter conference, Take-Two said that another GTA is coming out next "fiscal" year. This means it will come out before the end of October of next year. And seeing as Grand Theft Auto games always come out in October (including Liberty City Stories), it is extremely likely that a next-gen version of GTA will come out in October 2006. We will probably know the name of it by April or May, and from E3 on we will hear trickled information on it until its release. Also they said there would be two, meaning there will probably be a sequel to Liberty City Stories on PSP. This sequel could quite possibly follow suit and be set in Vice City, but with a new main character and storyline, etc. Here's what was said about the Take-Two conference

Take-Two's next fiscal year will see two "extensions of the Grand Theft Auto franchise" on unidentified platforms, according to its earnings report. But when asked by analysts if this meant a new console GTA was coming next year, Chief Financial Officer Karl Winters demurred, saying only "We haven't announced that yet...[we have] no announcement beyond PSP Grand Theft Auto."

Grand Theft Auto Series Arguments The Grand Theft Auto games have been the most controversial entertainment pieces in the world. Its utter realism of criminal gangs and sexual practice make it one heck of a game, in both good and bad ways. The bad is the following. These contents have peaked the attention of worldwide political officials, as well as various civilians. According to Wikipedia's info,

this game was banned from sale in Australia. No sale is permitted, of this game, in the Australian country. Various lawsuits, civilian and political protests have been made to support the possible termination of these games. I remember that a protest was made in the county of Miami-Dade aginst this game. Doing my homework, I saw it on Telemundo (Miami-Dade spanish channel)and was utterly surprised by the comments on the TV. Nonetheless, I must congratulate Rockstar (and any other companies that supported this series' creation) on a few factors as well. Personally, I have never played the actual game. Sure, perhaps at a friend's house, but, in other words, I do not own a copy for myself. Nonetheless, I have investigated several sites out of pure curiosity to see what Grand Theft Auto was actually about. A long time ago, I downloaded various demos of GTA 1, GTA 2, and the London Expansion Packs. Later on, I saw the newer versions of the series, such as GTA 3, Grand Theft Auto:Vice City, Grand Theft Auto:San Andreas, etc. I studied the different eras of the trilogy, th saga, otherwise called. I observed that it began so innocently, with acts such as simply robbing cars, shooting certain people, driving against the clock to complete missions, etc. I thought of it as a fun arcade game, who's main idea was that of robbing cars and quick driving. But now, the stakes and contents are more serious. Sexual content, enhanced offensive language, etc. Before, I used to think how mature and inappropiate content it had. It was as if it wasn't a game anymore, but a serious thing. But now, I find myself interested in the utter realism of criminal activities and, mainly, the provoking storylines. Though a bit inappropiate for an entertainment device, they are very eloquent and they evoke a strong, dramatic, and somehow good feeling. As a young author, I insist that all critics should approve of this. The storylines are so real and exceptionally made! A great, yet very contorversial trilogy, equally sharing the balance of inappropiate material (which I must tell you, of this, I strongly disapprove, I strictly believe this, for a GAME, should not exist.Now for a story...)and such provoking storylines, of which I immediately support and celebrate.

GTA Advance and GTAIII are set in 2001
Referring to a previously unexplained change indicating that Grand Theft Auto Advance took place in 2000...Given that 8-Ball was arrested on late-2001, on the month of October (and at the time when GTA Advance was about to end), there should be ore than enough time for the entire game's storyline to begin and end within these 10 months of 2001. If anyone has any evidence to prove otherwise, feel free to mention it here. ╫ 25 ring-a-ding  08:29, 14 September 2005 (UTC) ╫
 * I'm taking back my statement. Official sources have confirmed that the game takes place "one year prior to GTAIII" . However, given that 8-Ball was still arrested during this period, the game's storyline may have ended in 2001. ╫ 25 ring-a-ding  15:55, 14 September 2005 (UTC) ╫

Cities
should london and salford really be included in the GTA cities section? they are real cities and not part of the gta "fictional earth". also, do any sources state that gta2 takes place in "anywhere city"? --TBH 15:42, 15 October 2005 (UTC)


 * There are real cities in the GTA world. You can hear references to them in songs and on the radio, and I believe San Andreas is part of Los Angeles county in the game.


 * Los Santos is GTA's LA, Las Venturas is Las Vegas, and the otherone is somewhere else San Andreas is the entire west coast of USA, well, from what i know, and that only stands for GTA: SA, i'm not sure about GTA--Hexhunter 20:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * London is in GTA (GTA LONDON 1969)


 * If a city is the main setting of the games, include it. Salford is obviously not deserving of mention as it doesn't fit this criterion. The name of GTA2s Anywhere city is apparently sourced from the official website and related pages from here; I have yet to hear about the city's name in the game itself, though. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ ' 02:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC) ╫

Too Sarcastic?
So my comments were removed from the main article due to extreme sarcasm (I would have removed them too), but here now (soon to be buried in the discussion page) is my own historical take on video game violence:

It is widely accepted that Adolf Hitler was playing GTA III the day before he decided to invade Poland in 1939. It is also believed that John Wilkes Booth in the weeks prior to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln practiced by going on "rampages" in the fictional GTA world. These two examples support the theory that violence did not exist until video games were invented by Ghengis Khan in 1206, just prior to his military conquests which slaughtered entire populations of Eurasia.

Of course that theory would mean that the Roman Legions were a peaceful bunch... :-) (unsigned comment by Usadefcon1 (talk • contribs) on 2005-11-21 01:54:07)


 * I never removed the comment because it was too sarcastic. It was removed because it was false. It was a good piece of satire, I admit, but the games did not exist while those individuals were alive. --Zeromaru&#91;&#91;User_talk:Zeromaru&#124;&lt;sup&gt;T&lt;/sup&gt;]]&#91;&#91;Special:Contributions/Zeromaru&#124;&lt;sup&gt;C&lt;/sup&gt;]] 13:38, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Is it on Uncyclopedia??? You should put it there. Of course, in Soviet Russia, joke posts you...

GTA released in 1997 or 1998?
Refering to recent changes on Grand Theft Auto (game) and Grand Theft Auto (series) by 4.226.78.13; could someone verify the actual release date of the original GTA?

So far, several game review sites, including GameSpot and IGN, mention the PC version of the game being released in 1998, but other sites, including Rockstar Classic and MobyGames, mention the PC version being released in 1997. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  16:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC) ╫

Carcer City
"Carcer City - Most likely Newark, New Jersey or Detroit. Said to be neighboring Liberty City (Manhunt takes place in Carcer City; mentioned in Grand Theft Auto III, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories)"

Said by who? There is absolutely no evidence that there is a Carcer City in the GTA world. There are references to it by Rockstar as an Easter Egg because Rockstar make Manhunt too. It is no different to the Lemmings Easter Egg in GTA: San Andreas (does that mean that there is a Lemmings city in the GTA world?). Carcer City does not neighbour Liberty City, otherwise the street signs in GTA: Liberty City Stories would have a sign to "Carcer City", not "Upstate".

I suggest that this bit be removed from the article because it is not sourced as to where this idea came from and is speculative in nature. --The Land of Smeg 00:43, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Carcer City was mentioned in both GTA III and GTA: San Andreas as an existing city in GTA canon, located "nearby" Liberty City (2001) and referred in GTA: San Andreas as being located in the Rust Belt and suffering urban decay (1992).


 * Quote from Lips 106 radio station in GTA III, indicating an ongoing court trial in the city:
 * So I'm sitting here, reading the Liberty [Tree]''. And it says: In nearby [Carcer] City, A good day for law and order as police chief Gary Shaver/[Schaeffer] was cleared of corruption charges in a controversial decision by the court. Let's hope those missing witnesses turn up safe and sound.
 * Note that Gary Schaeffer is one of the characters in Manhunt, and was first mentioned in GTA III, two years before the release of the game.


 * Quote from radio commercial in San Andreas, promoting the city as a tourist destination:
 * ''Tired of all the sunshine and good weather? Looking for a real American vacation? Visit the shining jewel in a rustbelt crown - Carcer City. It’s a real man’s vacation.  The pride of a nation is in Carcer City.  It’s steel, ice, and poverty.  Spend a romantic evening in the beauty of the nighttime river glow of the flaming river. Watch real men who make things lose their jobs and fight on our special "Closing the Mill" guided tour. Come see what we’re really made of.  This is real America - drunk, proud, unemployed, and angry.  Hear the eagle roar - in Carcer City.  This is what the heartland is all about.


 * Also, one of the callers to "The Wild Traveller" on WCTR (in the episode that plays during the early stages of the game) is from "Carcer City." She's the one who suggests that it's "unpatriotic to travel" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.61.184.12 (talk) 14:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC).


 * Source: GameFAQs
 * ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  06:09, 6 April 2006 (UTC) ╫

Poetry
For Poetry on Grand Theft Auto see

http://manofissaquah.blogspot.com/2006_04_10_manofissaquah_archive.html

24.17.210.88 05:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC) manofissaquah.blogspot.com

hahaha!! he is sooo right!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marianogedisman (talk • contribs).

Fansites
Wow, fantastic job on deleteing the WHOLE ENTIRE LIST OF FANSITES. That's really going to come in handy for thousands of folks...

amotzko 07:27, 23 April 2006 (CST)

GTA TImeline
I was wondering if a timeline of events from the grand theft auto series could be added to this page or featured as a new site altogether. Do you think this would be a good idea?

Controversy heading or page.
GTA3 GTA:SA and GTA:VC are all marked with the controversy or criticism heading if not both. This is by FAR the most controversial game series in recent times. As such something on this page needs to talk about it. There's numerous controversies or criticism to talk about. Such as the Jack Thompson's opinions and lawsuits, Senate hearings on Hot coffee, and a couple of the murders attributed to this game (the triple cop homicide in particular).

Perhaps it'd be best to compile all the games' controversy and criticism into one page and have each page link to it, as often the target of a lawsuit is Take Two and the Specific target is usually "the grand theft auto series". And with the exception of the Hot coffee issue they could easily have targeted any game since the GTA3 for any of the complaints.

Of course the criticism should also mention the fact that almost all criticism of the game has actually helped it. In addition since GTA3, many industry insiders have been pretty outspoken about this series being a moral cesspool, harming the industry rather then promoting it. --Kinglink 19:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

GTA canon
I belive there should be a separate article on the inter-weaving plotlines of the games in the GTA series. 70.106.36.130 19:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

-'I think that is a great idea!'

"Auto Homocide 3"
Is that correctly spelled? -Not Diablo 10:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Fan sites
I've taken the liberty of replacing all fan sites with one DMOZ directory. External links specifies fanlisting is not appropriate or encyclopedic in Wikipedia; the alternatives consist of either placing one major fan site or placing a web directory in "extreme cases". Since the notability of fan sites for the whole of the GTA series is unclear, a web directory seems more reasonable. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  15:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC) ╫

That's a pretty misleading claim...
Because of its huge popularity, the Grand Theft Auto series of the GTA III era can be considered the PlayStation 2's equivalent of Nintendo's Mario franchise, despite being a third-party game. GTA is very heavily associated with the PS2, but the games do appear on other platforms, and I don't think anyone considers CJ, Tommy Vercetti, or "Claude" as the PlayStation mascot. IMO Comparing the relationship between GTA and PS2 to the one between Nintendo and Mario is misleading, and quite exaggerated. Anyone object to removing this line? --ThisIsMyUsername 16:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Cut it out - it's pants. GTA isn't emblematic of the PS2 in the same way as Mario is to the Nintendo.  What next, Gordon Freeman is the PC icon?  Cheers, --Plumbago 16:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Done and done... --ThisIsMyUsername 17:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

www.quotesofgta.tk
Does someone know the webpage www.quotesofgta.tk? I read it in many FAQs on gamefaqs.com but the page seems not to exist. Only an advertisment and such a thing. Does someone know something about this page?

The F-word
I am thinking about listing this in trivia: f-word is never heard in GTA, at least not in GTA3 and VC which I have played. I mean, amid the bloodshed, obscenity and swear language like "asshole, SoB, poontang" you don't hear "fuck", though actors like Tom Sizemore, Ray Liotta and Gary Busey have the word in their vocabulary. Why is a line drawn here - does it have to do with PG ratings? Medico80 10:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * it features in LCS (along with the C word) & SA (CJ's random speech after hitting a car 'my f**king car'), but its not just the words used, its the sheer amount of near uncontrolled violence you can get in during the game Shas&#39;o sodit 16:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe the question is referring to why the series opted to begin using uncensored profanity from GTA:SA onwards, although I must note that the first GTA was in fact the first game in the series to imply its used (it appeared in certain area completion cut scenes, where crude profanities were censored with random noises). Btw, "Cunt" was first used in GTA:SA, by Kent Paul. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  10:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC) ╫


 * Wasn't it used in the PC version of GTA? I seem to recall someone saying "If you fuck up, we fuck you up" in the beginning of Liberty City. Plus, it was never used in cutscenes in the 3D GTAs before SA, but it was included in Vice City: Two posters in Phil Cassidy's trailer had something like "it's fucking awesome!" printed on them, and in the song "Never Say Never" by Romeo Void (which was included uncensored in the Wave 103 radio station) the line "couldn't give a fuck" is uttered.


 * It's also used in at least one radio station in GTA2. 89.0.218.54 00:57, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I couldn't help but notice
that when you search Wikipedia for "Grand Theft Auto", you get redirected to a disambiguation page for the acronym "GTA". I can understand this if it was actually searching for "GTA", but I think there should be a page at "Grand Theft Auto". I didn't go ahead and do it myself, because I don't know which one should go there. There's this one and a movie for starters, but the actual crime where all this takes its name from is listed under "Motor Vehicle Theft". Master Deusoma 22:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion: Guests
My suggestion of the day is that you delete the "secondary" list of guest voices that is in the intro of the article. It's massive and unnecessary. There has to be a better place for it. Either a subsection, or elminate it - I'm sure people can check the games themselves to see guest stars in each game. It's really cumbersome in the intro to this article, in any event. TheHYPO 20:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Resident Evil mention...
I'd just like to add something (better yet confirm for now an addition) in the References in Popular Culture section. I remember in the movie-version of Resident Evil, particularly the first one, one of the characters wielding two gold-plated guns had a vehicle. Following the outbreak of zombies, there was a scene where he was driving his vehicle smashing into one of the zombies on a street. After doing so, he is heard screaming "GTA, mutha****a!". Though he only DID say "GTA", he might as well be referring to Grand Theft Auto due to the prominent hit-and-run elements in the game. Would anyone volunteer to look this up? 210.213.198.55 10:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

The "10 points" mention is pretty stupid though. The points game has been around a lot longer than GTA. Pheonix 19:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * But the association of the points with GTA would make it noteworthy. I haven't watch the movie, but the reference suggests that he uses the "10 points" line after running over a zombie, which is implied to equate to the points/money awarded when the player runs over a pedestrian in earlier GTA games. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  19:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

Is "Bully" a GTA spin-off???
I just recently purchased Rockstar's latest game,  Bully, and it plays just like the GTA games. Same sense of humor, same mission based/sandbox game play. In many ways, it feels like a GTA game, except that you can't kill people or steal cars. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Bully is a GTA spin-off, but does anyone know for sure?

It's funny, but I can just imagine Tommy Vercetti or Salvatore Leone attending Bullworth Academy in their youth, lol. 129.115.38.27 18:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Beat perfect
Has any fan ever beat the game perfectly without getting busted, wasted, failing a mission, or saving the game? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Craxy (talk • contribs)
 * As a word of reminder, talk pages are only designated for discussions related to improving articles not general chatter (as outlined in WP:TPG and the start of this talk page); discussions that are not productive in improving articles are subject to removal. Game forums, however, offer better feedback. Thanks. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  16:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC) ╫

HOW TO PLAY
IT DONT EVEN EXPLAIN THE IDEA OR OBJECT OF THE GAME.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnarok_online

RAGNAROK ONLINE PAGE DOES —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.195.132.253 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC).


 * The article that you're referring to is on an individual game. Certainly that approach to writing won't go well with an article about a video game series. Articles on a video game series usually provide only summaries of games. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  20:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC) ╫

Locations
"Vice City - A city based off of Miami (Grand Theft Auto, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories); the Vice City and Vice City Stories renditions of the city are suggested to be located in the state of Florida, accounting for all of its land area." As far as I know, Miami is completely in Florida. What is that second part of the sentence supposed to mean? 89.0.218.54 00:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ask R9tgokunks, since he added the passage, later merged into the Vice City entry . I have no idea why this is needed, but the last time I removed it, he readded it without any reasoning, so I compromised. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  11:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC) ╫