Talk:Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2023
“Customization” is spelled wrong. 134.228.205.185 (talk) 10:00, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No, this article uses British English. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 10:01, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Big Smoke
Are the big smoke memes notable enough to be in this article? Like in a section titled "In Pop culture" or something? NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 00:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Are there any reliable sources (see WP:VG/RS that discuss those memes? soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 05:26, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * None that I have currently found. I probably ought to look really hard for them, cause they got to be out there somewhere. Cause I remember when those Big Smoke memes were all over the place in like 2017-2018. How do I remember those memes yet I don't really remember many others that were probably more popular, besides like fidget spinner memes and "We are number one" from Lazy Town? NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Like are osgamers or sportskeeda reliable sources? NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 07:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No. You can find a list of reliable (and unreliable) sources at WP:VG/S. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 07:10, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok. But I am honestly surprised this stuff hadn't been mentioned long ago like 2017 or 2016 since Big Smoke was one of the biggest internet memes of that time. Or at least, as far as I am concerned. NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 17:19, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2023
Just add a link for San Francisco 150.195.171.3 (talk) 17:39, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 00:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

"All we had to do was follow the damn train, CJ!" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_we_had_to_do_was_follow_the_damn_train,_CJ!&redirect=no All we had to do was follow the damn train, CJ!] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Pimping and Burglary
We should include some unique GTA SA exclusive features like pimping and burglary, stuff like taxi, paramedic, etc aren't exclusive to SA but all 3D GTAs, not saying to include all side stuff, but the WP:Notable ones like that, (Burglary introduced in Home Invasion, rewards infinite stamina, Pimping introduced in Jizzy, at least the features unlocked during story missions), there are sufficient WP:RS for them and as a matter of fact stuff like taxi, paramedic which exists in all 3D GTAs can go, but Pimping and Burglary were prominent features and I linked WP:RS, but thats just my opinion, choice is yours, won't comment any further leaving a consensus, its upto you guys to vote and add, I end with a support. Dilbaggg (talk) 13:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Both are included, and I don't think they need any expansion. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 13:31, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Some generally high-level thoughts on the article at present
RetroCosmos asked me to take a look at the article with the eye of eventually getting it to FA. I thought I'd offer some general thoughts. -- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 21:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * General stuff :
 * This is probably obvious, but the prose is going to need a major workover for FA standards. I would recommend exercises like going through User:Tony1/How to improve your writing to tighten things up.
 * I think in terms of comprehensiveness, it doesn't feel like we're missing anything at a broad level.
 * It is the seventh title in the Grand Theft Auto series and the first main entry since 2002's Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. Mentioning it as the first "main entry" (how do you define that) feels a bit inessential to mention up top, especially since it's all of 2 years later, not a huge gap.
 * fast travel is available at airports I think for people who don't know what fast travel is a little more clarity would be useful here (it's basically teleportation not a quicker form of transit, etc.)
 * Same thing for auto-aim.
 * Several stealth elements were introduced in the game The gameplay shifts tenses here.
 * burglary, fire fighting, pimping, taxi cab, taxi cab isn't an activity, it's a thing.
 * Balancing food and physical activity impacts CJ's appearance and physical attributes; eating and exercising maintains health. Does this have any impact on actual gameplay, or just appearances? It's not made clear.
 * The end of the gameplay section gets a bit repetitive. Lots of similar "Players can/something can" constructions.
 * Video game articles don't follow film standards of having the voice actor names in the plot section.
 * Development :
 * Way too much "The team felt"-type repetition throughout.
 * San Andreas consists of three cities inspired by real locations: Los Santos (based on Los Angeles), San Fierro (San Francisco), and Las Venturas (Las Vegas) This is largely duplicative with the previous mention of the cities and can be shortened.
 * The exterior map is 36,000 square kilometres what does "exterior map" mean?
 * In-game locations were based on real areas, such as Los Santos by Compton, California this sounds like Los Santos is real?
 * Don't think the quote is really useful.
 * The team borrowed the "sense of physicality" from the gun gameplay in Manhunt (2003) and adapted it the open world formula of Grand Theft Auto; I don't know what that means. Also should probably make it clear Manhunt was Rockstar's own game.
 * Controversies :
 * In general, we want to avoid controversy sections, and I'm not entirely sure we should have one here. The Hot Coffee thing is certainly notable to be covered, but the baseless suit by a random guy seems irrelevant (was it really such a big news of a lawsuit that it deserves a full paragraph?) What's left is the discussion of racial stereotypes in the game, which gets discussed briefly in the reception section, and I think might be better integrated with that discussion.
 * Reception /Legacy:
 * There's sandwiching issues with the image in the reception section and the table.
 * Dan Houser felt the incorporation of three cities in San Andreas had limited the emulation of Los Angeles, making it more prevalent in Grand Theft Auto V unclear what this means.
 * I've never seen a refideas table that just lists everything off Archive.org, but before FA you should be sure you've exhausted all quality reliable sources.
 * In case anybody sees that last point and feels tempted to read through all 177 Archive.org documents: feel free, of course, but please note that I've already done so, and there's unlikely to be anything major remaining. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 06:05, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi David, thank you for your suggestions. Looks like Rhain already beat me to it, but I will have another look at the article, noting your points, and improve it best I can.
 * Good day— RetroCosmos  talk 07:49, 3 February 2024 (UTC)