Talk:Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas/Archive 4

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Las Venturas neighborhoods
I deleted the las venturas neighborhoods section because unlike los angeles and san francisco, las vegas was born as one city unlike the two former which consisted of several gold rush-era small towns that came together. --Phil 12:41, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Nevertheless, that section may be useful during expansion, when we need to explain in detail what each of the neighborhoods/districts contain and the locations they are based off. For example, Prickle Pine in northern Las Venturas is obviously based off the vast amount of middle class to upper class suburban housing surrounding Las Vegas, while the Rockshore districts in southern Las Venturas constrast Prickle Pine by containing mostly low-wealth housing and frequent vice activities. In addition, we have to assume that the R* North's rendition of Las Vegas is not a fully faithful replication of Las Vegas itself; this applies to the other cities and towns in San Andreas. ╫ 25 ring-a-ding  17:59, 1 November 2005 (UTC) ╫


 * okay but does it really warrant a comparison section? I mean most of las venturas' districts are named after the hotels. the only ones that aren't are the outskirts which are more generic than specific. noting that prickle pine is much like residential las vegas as you said could be summed up in a sentence I think. --Phil

Foster Valley
Should we mention Foster Valley? It's a newly developed property located further south of San Fierro (but is still within the city's jurisdiction nevertheless), just southwest of of the Easter Bay Airport.

Of interesting note in the area is a row of identical cylindrical shaped buildings which slightly resembles those of the Oracle Corporation World Headquarters in Redwood Shores, California. Orcale HQ is also located close to Foster City, a planned city just north of Oracle; this may explain the origin of Foster Valley's name. ╫ 25 ring-a-ding  15:38, 2 November 2005 (UTC) ╫


 * sounds authentic to me. go ahead and add it. --Phil

Pic?
Does anyone have a picture of Area 69 that should be put up?


 * 's for all! Jingo every place in SA should have a image! - unsigned comment by Jingofetts 15:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Finally! PICS!!! 68.148.12.214 05:07, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

So what exactly is this "Blue Hell"? Where do i find it? How can one confirm this?

Bayside
I'll try to make this as short as possible. I am interested in creating a seperate article for Bayside. I could easily write up more using subcategories on bayside, such as the wealth, gangs, climate, uses, and features, as well as the basic information we already have. I was thinking of just creating the article and seeing what happens, but decided I would rather get a community opinion first. PeteShanosky 23:03, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think this is advisory. The town itself is only notable for housing the boating school, and there is actually little information on its residents and facilities, and none on gang activities; the climate and public uses of Bayside is almost considerably non-essential information. Keeping the town's contents in this article and mentioning brief info about the town appearance and facilities should be sufficient, although the town's section would benefit with a picture. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  04:09, 13 March 2006 (UTC) ╫
 * Alright then. I really want to expand on all the San Andreas articles, maybe create some new ones. I'll keep on looking for what needs improvement. PeteShanosky 02:03, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

What happened to the Myths section?
I think that should be up again, it was a really cool and good part Supmyman7 18:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Population
How do you know the exact population numbers? Andman8 16:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The smaller towns usually have signs on the roads going into them that state the population, but I have no idea where the entire state population or the population of the major cities comes from. I don't think it can be verified. MickBarnes 12:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

According to the instruction manual of 'Grand Theft Auto: Vice City", Vice City has a population of 1.8 million. When one takes into account the original press releases for 'Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas', which stated that each city in the state was roughly the size of Vice City, then prehaps the 2 million mark would be a sensible estimate. Couple this with the informtion on the signs before each rural town, one should have a rough population estimate for the state. - Eam91 12:59 (GMT) 11 April '07.


 * Estimating the population of a location in San Andreas on the size of Vice Citys setting is not a fact, but original research. So no, that's not worthy of mention. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ ' 12:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC) ╫

Restaurants
Should Restaurants be added to this page, or are they somewhere else?
 * Not advisable. Compared to crucial locales featured in the storyline, these places are too minor for inclusion. Besides, addition of such information violates the "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" criterion. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  12:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC) ╫

Size
How big in square kilometres is San Andreas? If someone was anal enough to figure out a population of randomly generated people, surely someone knows how big the place is... 86.132.181.61 13:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, every town has its own sign with the population on it. Superior1 21:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Certain towns in the San Fierro and Las Venturas regions have no population figure written on their town signboards. Angel Pine, for example. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  08:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

Ian Albert has created an excellent map on his website which is at a scale of 1 metre per pixel and a map size of 1.2gigapixels which suggests the map is 6x6km, 36 square kilometres. This is the total map size and not the land area but it still gives a good clue. BillPP (Talk) 03:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

population?
I doubt Angel Pine has a population of 7400. I think it only has a population of about 100.--Taida 03:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

although in the game it looks too small to have that many people, there is a road sign near the town saying th epopulation of 7400. Saccerzd 00:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

To be fair, the whole game is a scaled down version of various places, just with the population claimed to be roughly equivalent to real life. mattbuck 16:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Bone County Article
I think we should create a Bone County article with more info on the towns.

Look, can someone just give me a map marking the location of a "Geyser" in Bone County so I can get on with my damn life? 72.141.232.95 15:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Try http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/924362/34165 - it's marked as Regular Tom, just North of the Big Ear and South East of the Sherman Dam. mattbuck 15:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

San Fierro's Size
Are you sure San Fierro is bigger than Las Venturas. It seems so much smaller than LV and looking at the map, its hard to tell. Has the area actually been worked out? --Sam 10:11, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think Las Venturas is bigger--Taida 00:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Brown Streak Railroad
Information on the Brown Streak has been merged into this article, per Articles for deletion/Brown Streak Railroad. bd2412 T 21:12, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Town descriptons??
how can blueberry be a 'fairly large town', whereas dillimore, which has the larger population, is described as 'a small town'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saccerzd (talk • contribs)
 * The word large in "fairly large town" could be refering to the size of the town althrough I'll remove it anyways cause it confuses people.--Taida 22:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Los Santos cities
Taken fron the page: "Los Santos is the largest city in San Andreas. It is based on the real life Los Angeles County, including areas based on the city of Los Angeles; Long Beach; Inglewood; Beverly Hills; Compton; and Santa Monica." ...I added Compton to the list as it is obviously represented by Ganton. There are more that I beleive rate mentioning... I beleive the other beach with the peir represents Venice??! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.129.98.129 (talk) 00:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

Re-class this page?
I think it should be changed to B. Anyone agree? --Blair Hudson 05:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Cluckin' bell and Vinewood
Shouldn't they be redirected to somewhere in the article? They are part of this state after all. TheBlazikenMaster 22:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * There's no need to direct every possibly gta-related name to a gta page. If it doesn't come up with an exact result, it'll display close matches anyway and the person can find it by that. mattbuck 23:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * May be true, but most of the times all results are unrelated, so it could confuse them. That's why we have redirects. TheBlazikenMaster 12:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Is someone REALLY going to search for Vinewood or Cluckin' Bell? Seems unlikely. mattbuck 13:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, Chuckin' bell can go to the restaurant section, I will look closely through out the article myself, (or one of the three city articles) for Vinewood, if nobody else will. These might be unlikely, but they are still part of GTA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBlazikenMaster (talk • contribs) 17:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC) Ok, done. This discussion is over, bye. TheBlazikenMaster 00:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

The doughnut fast-food chain.
I think, that Rusty Brown's Ring Donuts was intended to be a food chain at the beginning of the game, but as many things, such as the Hot Coffee, was removed. I mean, there are two locations of it on the game (One at the Market District in Los Santos and another west of San Fierro, near a buyable apartment, I think it's Paradiso there), plus it had textures of the inside (as seen in a cutscene early in the game, with Tennpenny, Pulaski and the latin guy) and even vending machines. Wikifan21century 02:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * This is also a restaurant chain mentioned in radio ads in GTA: Vice City, yet seems conspicuously lacking in terms of established structures within the city. Would this influence any decisions regarding its inclusion/exclusion? Eganio (talk) 02:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

What
what the hell happened to the Los Santos, San Fierro and Las Venturas main article pages there gone —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcanmoocanu (talk • contribs) 02:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks like they got merged into the San Andreas article. I was wondering myself who did it and why.  I have been working on cleaning up the San Fierro page, and would greatly appreciate an explanation for the merge, especially in light of the fact that it was done without any peremptory discussion. EganioTalk 21:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * They were all listed as AfDs, and the consensus was to merge them. There really was no real reason why they should be kept - all were a mix of WP:OR, fancruft and WP:NOT, and the only people arguin for it based arguments on the fact that they liked the article. There WERE AfD notices on the article for several days... Articles for deletion/Los Santos, San Andreas Articles for deletion/San Fierro, San Andreas Articles for deletion/Las Venturas, San Andreas. mattbuck (talk) 22:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Alrighty then. That pretty much sums it up.  Thanks. EganioTalk 01:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I realize the seperate articles were Original Research and such, but it was the only place I've found on the internet that listed possible real world equivalents to SA neighborhoods. Where would one go for that information now that the article has been deleted? Chops79 (talk) 15:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * CORRECTION TO ABOVE: It appears the information I was talking about has be transwikied to http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto:_San_Andreas/Los_Santos http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto:_San_Andreas/San_Fierro http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto:_San_Andreas/Las_Venturas Chops79 (talk) 15:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should try to include this information in this article as well. To further soften in-universe perspective, I think listing emulated neighborhoods as well as the listed landmarks would be a good idea.  The more detail we give on inspirations for game aspects, the more relevant the article becomes to real-life. EganioTalk 22:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

A Fictional place.
That's a phase repeated several dozen times in the article. Really, are the people who read wikipedia articles that stupid? We're talking about a video game, most people reading this article will be intelligent enough to realize it's not real without being reminded at the beginning of every section. We have the intro. Zazaban (talk) 01:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Then edit it. mattbuck (talk) 01:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I did, and it was reverted on sight. Zazaban (talk) 04:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It is important, per WP:WAF, to distinguish between what's real and what's fictional. It may not be necessary to say "fictional" every single time, but I don't think the article suffers for it.  The term should definitely be used several times, as it makes it abundantly clear that these are not real locations that are recreated for the game.  Also, it's important that we not use an "in universe" perspective when writing, which would adopt an in-game frame of reference and treat the locations as if they actually existed.  Croctotheface (talk) 01:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Amen. EganioTalk 10:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Does it really need to be mentioned at the beginning of every paragraph? Zazaban (talk) 04:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems like overkill, I agree, but I think erring on the side of caution is a good idea, since we want to avoid any possible confusion on the part of readers as to this being a real place we're describing. I know it's a little offensive to many people's intellects to have to bombard them with the idea, but we have to remember that everyone's comprehension varies, and for many reasons. EganioTalk 02:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I hate constantly seeing 'a fictional place', written in many paragrapahs because no reader of this article is idiotic enough to not be able to figure this out themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.177.70.28 (talk) 05:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Expansion
I am working on including information on recreated real-life districts that show up as neighborhoods in San Andreas in order to further delineate reality and fiction within the article. I have reinstated the short list of San Francisco neighborhoods that have re-emerged as San Fierro districts. I am working on establishing good sources to back up this information, and would appreciate any and all help. This is in the interest of including information that was lost during the merge of the separate articles for each San Andreas city into this article. I am trying to extract only the information that serves to balance out any in-universe perspective in this article. EganioTalk 01:01, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

too thorough?
This article is pretty lengthy for a fictional city... is that necessary? I mean, the only problem I run into is that I find myself reading the entire thing, but I'm not getting any encyclopedic knowledge. I can't impress people with this information. I understand, decreasing the length at this point would be counterproductive, but the point I'm making is that its too much. The article on Long Beach Island, an actual location, is much shorter. Granted, I'm probably making this point to the wrong people. Nonetheless, I'd love to hear opinions... - tbone (talk) 20:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That does sound more like a case for expanding other articles than reducing the length of this one. That's not to say that every detail contained here must remain, but "can't impress people" isn't the standard we use, either.  Croctotheface (talk) 21:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)