Talk:Grand Theft Auto (video game)/Archive 1

GTA4
Hey what ever happened to the Grand Theft Auto 4 page? It has been announced http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/07/news_6132690.html that it will be made, we know that much. What's wrong with a little anticipation and speculation? C'mon let's put it back up.

San Andreas
I don't think San Andreas was considered a state in this game (unlike the new game that is now out). If I remember right, it had landmarks and regions that implied it was exclusively in the San Francisco area: a Chinatown, "Soviet Hill" (a take on Russian Hill) and the area (and descriptions) had a lot of references to hippies. But, it's been a while since I've played the original, does anyone else remember any of this? R ADICAL B ENDER &#9733;  02:38, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I don't remember hippies being mentioned in San Andreas, but it's been a while since I played the game. I do have the game to hand, and it comes with maps of each area.  San Andreas has the following locations:


 * Richman
 * Telephone Hill
 * Wood Hill
 * Soviet Hill
 * Sunrise
 * Atlantic Heights
 * Eagleside
 * Excalibur
 * Glen Wood
 * Woodside
 * Potato
 * Chinatown
 * Market
 * Marina
 * Sailors Wharf
 * Sunview

I don't know whether they correspond to places in San Francisco, but I don't know the Geography of the area.Silverfish 11:43, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Yeah, more of those correspond with real locations in San Francisco:


 * Telephone Hill - Telegraph Hill
 * Wood Hill - Nob Hill
 * Soviet Hill - Russian Hill
 * Sunrise - Sunset District
 * Atlantic Heights - Pacific Heights
 * Sailors Wharf - Fisherman's Wharf


 * The other one's might, too - I just don't know what they all are. As far as the hippies, I do remember that one of the vehicles available for driving was a very slow, very poorly-manueverable van with a flower on the roof - a reference to the Vanagon which is stereotypically considered to be a "hippie" vehicle.  There were some other references, too - I can't recall them right now.  R ADICAL B ENDER  &#9733;  15:04, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Rockstar
I'm pretty sure Rockstar didn't publish this.--Dustin Asby 09:25, 23 July 2005 (UTC)


 * DMA, the develepor of Lemmings, developed it, they are today known as Rockstar Games. /Grillo 09:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * To be exact, DMA are now Rockstar North (the British arm of the company), as opposed to the original American Rockstar. This may explain the very British "6031769" cheat code (taken from Manic Miner) in the PC version of GTA. 217.171.129.71 (talk)

Gameboy
I changed gbc to gba in the platforms section. Janne92

Computer and video game
What is a computer and video game? I thought GTA is a video game... 194.145.96.51 (talk) 14:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe that a video game is defined as a game you play on a console you plug into your TV. -mattbuck (Talk) 15:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Scottish Landmarks
There used to be a section that listed areas in Grand Theft Auto that where spoofs and parodies on areas and landmarks in Dundee (where the first game was origonally created) and surrounding areas but now it's gone. Could someone let me know why, please? An example would be a bridge in San Andreas resembling the Forth bridge which connects the city of Edinburgh to Fife or the Loonies in GTA2 coming from Sunnyside which is also the name of a mental hospital just outside Dundee or Verdant Bluffs in San Andreas being named after Verdant Works, an old historical mill in Dundee. There are many more aswell. Drakul 08:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

GTA released in 1997 or 1998?
Refering to recent changes on Grand Theft Auto (game) and Grand Theft Auto by 4.226.78.13; could someone verify the actual release date?

So far, several game review sites, including GameSpot and IGN, mention the PC version of the game being released in 1998, but other sites, including Rockstar Classic and MobyGames, mention the PC version being released in 1997. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  16:27, 4 March 2006 (UTC) ╫

The game has been released in 1997 originally by another publisher "ASC" which instantly disappeared, and was later distributed by BMG / Take2, some online reviews show the game's original splash screen from the original publisher, but these are extremely rare, i saw one in link mentioned in this forum topic, but since then the original image disappeared: http://www.javalemmings.com/DMA/yabb/cgi-bin/YaBB.cgi?board=DMAGames;action=display;num=1100717607;start=1 The most common release from take2 / BMG has a copyright(c)1997 written on the back of the manual. Jernejl 13:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC) SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASC_Games Jernejl 13:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The game was released in 1997 from PC by BMG Interactive in Europe. Later -exactly in March 1998- was released in North America by ASC/Take 2 and in May 98 was released its PS version by T2 only. The game was originally developed by DMA and published by BMG, old Houser brother's company before they formed Rockstar after BMG was adquired by T2.

Sources: GameSpot - SEC Info —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.152.196.173 (talk) 18:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

The Music
No mention of the games soundtrack is made and I thought that's odd because a big deal is made over the other Grand Theft Auto music.

Like the apparent theme song "Joyride" by "Da Shootaz" which can be heard in a car. I'm not really sure if any of those titles are correct, I just happened to find the lyrics through Google.

LYRICS: Hometown, downtown, speeding all around An AK47 got the power in its barrel to Move any mother that gets in my way Just another power machine out on the freeway

Riding with me is my MC homeboy Knowing the rules ain't part of his program Finding the right way around this map Might be pretty hard cause he's f***ed on crack

G - Grand Theft Auto You gotta make a mark and move where you want to

T - Theft Determination To steal what you can and run from the nation

A - Hey what d'ya say We automate the sequence and speed for my getaway Take it to the edge, there's nowhere to hide And call up the boys, let's go for a joyride Let's go for a joyride

"Stop the violence from the police" you know my Dad used to say but now he's deceased He got caught in a jam, threw in the can When the cops from Brooklyn said he killed another man

Seek knowledge was my main game To think about the law, to figure out the frame Just when I thought I knew justice, a cop behind me said "You just been busted"

NYPD (NYPD)

LAPD (LAPD)

SFPD (SFPD)

Don't f*** with me!

However, a mention of the song and artist is made on List of songs about computer and video games article.

I think I'm going to add a section for the games soundtrack after I do some more research, and maybe do something for the "Da Shootaz" article, so if anyone has any more info on the games soundtrack add it please --Joe dude 20:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I found the game's soundtrack and added it to the page (just letting you all know) Punkrock182 13:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Can it really by 50 Cent on the soundtrack? Kinda hard to believe, isn't it? --Soetermans 11:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If anybody still wants a thorough listing, I've finally found my copy of the Collector's Edition Soundtrack CD. It lists the tracks, the artists, the albums the songs are from, and the radio stations (all of them being fictional)!
 * Also, what counts as the 'Main Theme' mentioned in the article? That one is Slumpussy - Gangster Friday, but it's an instrumental generally played on the menu screens. I always thought the one in this talk page with its lyrics listed was the theme! ('Grand Theft Auto' by Da Shootaz; It's on track 3, which is N-ct FM) JaffaCakeLover (talk) 17:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion this article is wrong concerning the mentioning of fictional radio stations. Sure "Head Radio FM" is mentioned, but I think that "Funk FM" is mentioned too. I hear a male voice saying "Funk FM" between some of the songs. It's my favorite radio station in the game. --RandomVisitor85 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.222.121.115 (talk) 13:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

--- Brooklyn Underground FM (Trance)

it's not really trance is it? it's more electronic hardcore and even drumnbass.

Vandalism
The edit by 80.166.140.192 was done by me - was too fast to fix the Vandalism under the Points, that I forgot to login. KDLarsen 04:24, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Helicopter
There was always a rumour there was a helicopter in the game, was it just that, a rumour? Dann 12:35 4 April 2006 (BST)
 * There are in fact helicopter and boat sprites in the game, and while I have seen the boat in one Liberty City mission as a non-drivable vehicle, I'm not really sure about the helicopter (although it's possible that it's also not drivable). ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶  16:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

The Helicopter IS in the game, but not used, it does exist, and is used by several gta1 modifications. Jernejl 13:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The Boat is only used in LC and SA, I believe. The boat is "drivable" if it's added as a parked car using either "Junction 25" or "M1" (GTA Eds). It's pretty fast too. The helicopter is not drivable but I believe there is a script somewhere that used the sprite to "drop" narcotics somewhere for the player to pick up. There's also a cable car sprite in both the SA and VC graphics sets. Neither were used (likely due to technical reasons). ZellDenver (talk) 01:08, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Is this correct?
"Also certain crimes have a set wanted level e.g shooting a policemen will always earn you 2 stars whereas beating one to death is merely a one star offence."

I'm pretty sure it wasn't possible to beat a police officer to death in the first 2 Grand Theft Auto, though you could still punch them, it would floor them but they'd get up and chase you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xzamuel (talk • contribs) 21:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC). You can punch the police officer in gta2, but you cannot punch the police officer to death. In the original gta1 you can't punch a police officer. Jernejl 13:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

American
Is this game created by an American company? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.139.207.127 (talk) 19:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC).


 * Rockstars Headquarters or whatever in like London or something. Rockstar North is in NYC.

Quit swearing!


 * GTA developers Rockstar North are a Scottish company based in Edinburgh. BillPP (Talk) 16:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Trivium not showing?
Last night I added a trivium (a cheat code which was a tribute to an earlier game) which today isn't showing on the page, though it shows if "Edit" for the "Trivia" section is clicked. I wonder why not?

(I've clicked the link to the user page for the (public) IP address from which I posted, and it seems that it was previously used (last month) by someone who vandalised Wikipedia; could this be something to do with it?) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.122.47.170 (talk) 15:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Are you talking about the Manic Miner part? If so then that's showing up to me. Also could you provide a reference or explain how it is a tribute to the game as it's not clear. Thanks --BillPP (Talk) 16:23, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Strange, it definitely doesn't show for me (terminal at the easyInternetcafé, Trafalgar Square, London UK). It's a Manic Miner tribute because the cheat code in question was originally for Manic Miner; it's said to be the MM programmer's (Matthew Smith's) telephone number at the time...
 * Well if it does show up for you at some point, can you add a source that verifies that it is the phone number. I looked on the Manic Miner page and it doesn't have a source either. Cheers --BillPP (Talk) 17:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

There are references to hippies in the san andreas map: there is a flower-peace-decorated VW camper in the game, which is named "love wagon". Jernejl 13:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The above comment should have been put in a new section, as it has nothing to do with the Manic-Miner-related trivium of this section. 193.122.47.162 15:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Re-release and various versions
Does someone want to make a mention of the recent re-release and the modifications made? It's now missing the 3dfx and DOS components of the original releases, and instead has an altered EXE for use on modern NT-based operating systems. --Carcenomy (talk) 12:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've just got this version now, simply because I lost my discs and Rockstar are giving it away. Other than a "NoCD" patch, and fixed bugs with framerate and stability, I see no major difference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZellDenver (talk • contribs) 01:13, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

guarding lions
I have a question, where do you find the guarding lions in grand theft auto china wars? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Takingbackmysunday (talk • contribs) 03:22, 8 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by JackPotte (talk • contribs)

--78.158.97.117 (talk) 20:36, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Wiki is not a place to get help with the game. Go to iGrandTheftAuto.com, Yahoo! Answers, or somewhere else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.238.246.99 (talk) 17:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Reception
Could someone mention reception? Thephatphilmz (talk) 05:09, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Original Design Documents
I've no clue really if they'd be of any use for this page but they are available here on Mike Dailly's Flickr, there's also a Rock, Paper, Shotgun article discussing it. Sytax (talk) 12:27, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Mike Dailly
I do not know who keeps adding this fictional person to these articles but....

owned by that very person, who clearly states in the copyright disclaimer that... Text © Copyright 2004-2006 By Mike Dailly All rights reserved.
 * 1) Mike Dailly was not a founder of DMA Design Ltd, therefore he did not invent Grand Theft Auto
 * 2) DMA Design was a subsidiary of DMA Design Ltd
 * 3) Rockstar was actually founded by Sam & Dan Houser
 * 4) Rockstar Games, bought out DMA Design Ltd
 * 5) DMA Design Ltd invented Grand Theft Auto, not DMA Design
 * 6) The only relevant source that this person had anything to do with Grand Theft Auto is a registered domain

dmadesign.org is in no way assosiated with DMA Design Ltd, Take-2 or Rockstar Studios.

So please remove all of this unfactual information.


 * He's not a fictitious person, I think an interview with the Sunday Times helps disprove that.
 * He is a real person, he did work at DMA, he did co-design GTA. - X201 (talk) 09:27, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Fictional Radio station
I am putting the radio stations here and a tracklisting --Owen1983 (talk) 06:29, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but that exceeds our project scope and is deemed in approritate for articles on games. If the soundtrack was independently notable, it would have its own articles with its own sources, but that is (and likely will never be) the case. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 08:52, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

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Order of Levels / Order in which the Cities are Unlocked
Although the article mentions different cities (Liberty City, Vice City, and San Andreas) the article does not mention the order in which they are unlocked. Can someone put the cities into a numbered list of the order in which they are unlocked? Individual missions can be done in any order, but the cities and levels/"chapters" are always unlocked in a particular order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.176.71 (talk) 06:11, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Adding IMPORATNTS details in Soundtrack section
Yesterda i saw for the first time the film "Maniac Cop" (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maniac_Cop) and i was surprise to hear the same voices that you hear when you enter a police car. Please add this detail in the sound track section, i don't know why somebody very clever judged my adding wasn't worth to be published as it was removed some hours later. Isn't it like an "easter egg" or reference worth it ? you could add also the names of musicians who participated in this outstanding soundtrack, which made the success of the game : thanks, it is usefull to enlight this details upon this excellent game who courageously changed the rules in videogaming

Brooklyn Underground FM

Genre: Trance

Retrograde - "Benzoate" (C.Conner) Government Listening Post - "E104" (C.Conner) Trancefer - "Figiwhiz" (C.Conner)

The Fix FM

Genre: Techno/Apartment

Animal Testing Centre - "DSP" (C.Conner) Rotorman - "Ride" (C.Conner) Technophiliak - "Lagerstar" (G.Middleton)

The Fergus Buckner Show FM

Genre: Country

Sideways Hank O'Malley (and The Alabama Bottle Boys) - "The Ballad of Chapped Lip Calquhoun" (C.Anderson/B.Baglow)

Head Radio FM

Genre: Pop/Rock

Reality Bubble - "Days Like These" (C.Conner) Meme Traders - "Automatic Transmission" (Grant Middleton) Ohjaamo - "Complications" (C.Conner)

It's Unleashed FM

Genre: Alternative/Hard rock

Stikki Fingers - "4 Letter Love" (C.Anderson/B.Baglow) The Hounds - "Let It Out" (C.Conner) Bleeding Stump - "Just Do It" (C.Anderson)

N-CT FM

Genre: Hip hop/Rap

Da Shootaz - "Grand Theft Auto" (Craig Conner) Slumpussy - "This Life" (C.Conner/Robert DeNegro) CCC Featuring Robert DeNegro - "Blow Your Console" (C.Conner/R.DeNegro)

Radio '76 FM

Genre: Funk/Retro Funk FM.

Ghetto Fingers - "On The Move" (Colin Anderson) Ashtar - "Aori" (C.Anderson) Stylus Exodus - "Pootang Shebang" (C.Anderson) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.176.131.32 (talk) 07:48, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Please provide a reliable source for your claims. Otherwise, this appears to be WP:TRIVIA. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 10:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Development timeframe/length
The article currently states:


 * ''The development of Grand Theft Auto began on 4 April 1995 at DMA Design in Dundee. It originally had a protracted four-year development, which included a title change and numerous attempts to halt development.


 * Released 28 November 1997

I don't understand how all three bolded points can be concurrently true. That's barely 2.5 years. Even in the loosest terms, one could only say it spanned the 3 separate years of 95/96/97. Sergecross73  msg me  17:34, 15 September 2022 (UTC)