Talk:Grand Theft Auto IV/GA4

GA Review
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Reviewer: SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 03:33, 2 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Lead
 * "The game was a huge success" isn't the best phrasing. If anything, would use "critical" and/or "commercial" success to be more neutral and professional.
 * "the game also received controversy"..... generated


 * Gameplay
 * "The game also features a subway system, allowing players to quickly traverse through the game world"..... needs to be sourced


 * Synopsis
 * Plot
 * Per WP:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines, this section should be soured. I'd make sure each paragraph ends with at least one citation. For example, see the "story" section of Crash Bandicoot (video game).


 * Reception
 * Critical reception
 * It's probably worth making a subsection for the Xbox and PlayStation edition since there's one for the Windows edition
 * "1UP" → 1UP.com (for all instances)


 * Sales
 * I'd mention that Grand Theft Auto V surpassed this game's sales records upon release
 * Link Guinness World Records


 * Awards
 * "received numerous awards"..... many or various would be better
 * "The game has garnered over 60 Game of the Year recognitions from major publications, more than any other game that year"..... source(s)?
 * "but did not win any of them"..... I'd include what won the nominations were and the winners


 * Controversies
 * "The PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360 versions of the game have since been updated to be completely uncensored while the complete edition has the console version uncut for the first time at retail" needs to be sourced


 * References
 * Publisher for The New York Times is Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr.
 * USA Today should be italicized
 * IGN shouldn't be italicized
 * "Daily Telegraph" should read The Daily Telegraph in italics
 * "Forbes.com" should read Forbes in italics
 * Since one source uses the Guinness World Records book, this should be italicized in that ref
 * GameSpot and Giant Bomb are among the "situational sources" list in WP:VG/RS. I've noticed there are member-generated reviews from GameSpot; Alex Sassoon Coby, Brendan Sinclair, Doug Radcliffe, Dan Chiappini, and Justin Calvert. WP:VG/RS says to only use staff reviews from this site. Not sure about these ones (the latter is used for two different footnotes). As for Giant Bomb, user-generated content should be left out. I'm not sure if the "Vinny" author from these sources is trustworthy.
 * Daily Star (United Kingdom) and New York Post are not reliable sources. I'm also skeptical about "Beefjack", "Stuff.co.nz", "Wis News"
 * Check for link connection errors


 * Overall
 * Well-written?: Decent, but could be better
 * Verifiable?: Relatively weak, but not too bad
 * Broad in coverage?: Couple bits are missing
 * Neutral?: Almost
 * Stable?: No concerns
 * Illustrated, if possible, by images?: All appropriately licensed, relevant, and suitably captioned
 * Pass or Fail?: While the article does need work to reach GA quality, I don't think the concerns are too extensive. Placing this on hold for seven days.


 * Thanks for the review, SNUGGUMS! I've gone through and fixed most of your concerns. However, I have some remaining queries:
 * No matter how hard I try, I cannot seem to find a reliable source to back up the statement about the subway system (there's this, but I'm not sure of the reliability). Should I cite the game, or should the statement be removed completely?
 * For the "Plot" section, should I use cite video game as references? If I was to cite each applicable mission, then the section might look clunky; but it can be done.
 * IGN was italicised by default because it is used in the work field instead of publisher. The publisher is Ziff Davis.
 * After browsing the Internet, it appears to me that Justin Calvert was actually part of the GameSpot staff (according to some websites, he was laid off in July 2013), and his review is often referred to as the "official" GameSpot review. It seems like Brendan Sinclair was in a similar position (having spent "seven years ... tracking down news" for GameSpot), but I can try and find an alternative for his article if you like.
 * The other GameSpot and Giant Bomb sources that you pointed out were awards; I would assume that all notable awards should be mentioned. However, if you believe that the sources should be removed/replaced, then I'll go ahead and do it.
 * I feel like I'm asking you to do too much just by answering these questions, but I truly wish for this article to reach the highest standard possible. If you have any other concerns, please let me know. Thanks! -- Rhain1999  (talk to me) 08:03, 7 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The Giant Bomb and GameSpot sources are fine in that case. For the unsourced bits, citing the game itself is fine. While not every mission needs to be sourced, I would make sure each paragraph ends with at least one citation. The "work" field automatically italicizes terms while the "publisher" field does not. Simply place IGN in the "publisher" field. If including Ziff Davis as well, then use "publisher=IGN. Ziff Davis". Hope this helps.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 22:06, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That definitely helped, thanks. I've gone ahead and sourced all applicable missions (here); I couldn't think of any other way to do it, and it didn't take much work. I think I've fixed up everything that you've asked so far. If you have any other concerns, please let me know and I'll get straight to it. Thanks! -- Rhain1999  (talk to me) 00:28, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks good, now passing :D!  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 04:49, 8 December 2014 (UTC)