Talk:Grand Theft Auto VI/Archive 1

Spelling of GB
Shouldn't it be "3 gigabytes" rather than "3 GB" for the first mention of it? Unspectrogram (talk) 07:58, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

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 * GTAVI Leak Statement.jpg

Seventeenth Instalment
This game is due to be the 17th title in the series, as Grand Theft Auto Online is treated by as it's own separate product and a separate registered trademark by Take Two Interactive, Rockstar Games, and Rockstar North since it's debut in 2013, as Leslie Benzies himself confirmed in many CVG interviews from back in the day, and even refer to GTA V as just a "launching point" for Grand Theft Auto Online. Also, in every Take Two Interactive's Virtual Annual Shareholder Meetings to this day, they refer to the game as a "stand-alone multiplayer title that comes for free with the purchase of Grand Theft Auto V". The same goes to Red Dead Online, they even have their own separate logos. However, other previous multiplayers released until 2012 are considered to be "online multiplayer features" to the main games (e.g. Grand Theft Auto IV, Max Payne 3, Red Dead Redemption). Absynthe17 (talk) 12:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Infobox
Presently, this article's infobox makes use of three parameters, two of which target the same page. With no other information in there that the lead can't already summarise, I'd say it's entirely superfluous and should be commented out until a later date. See MOS:INFOBOXUSE. —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  14:46, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd been considering this too, so commenting it out is fine with me. Considering how commonplace the infobox is for VG articles, it's easy to overlook how useless this one is until you take a second look and realise how little information we currently possess. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 15:00, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'm pulling the trigger on this early. If anybody else protests, feel free to revert and/or discuss here. —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  15:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 21 September 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 21:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Untitled Grand Theft Auto game → 2022 Grand Theft Auto content leak – Even though GTA 6 is to be the next game in the series, this article talks more about the GTA 6 leaks than anything regarding GTA 6 at all. Therefore, a move to 2022 Grand Theft Auto content leak would make more sense than a game that besides the leak has barely any info in regards to development, setting, and more. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 17:05, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Only half of the article is currently about the leak as it also covers other aspects of the game's pre-release coverage. Naturally, more (non-leak) content will be added over time and the article would inevitably be moved back, at the latest when the game is formally announced. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 17:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose – The title of the article will eventually be changed to that of the game, when it's announced. The current page isn't also solely about the content, so the proposed title would be limiting.Ayıntaplı (talk) 18:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per IceWelder and Ayıntaplı. There's a lot of information about the leak, but ultimately the article is still about the game—and, as IceWelder says, it would inevitably be moved back before long anyway. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 01:45, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above and add that the proposed title wouldn't make sense as only about half the article covers the leak itself. —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  02:08, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Out of scope for the page. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:38, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. It describes far more than just the leak. RodRabelo7 (talk) 10:46, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: This article is still about the game and will eventually come to be filled out with officially released information, rendering such a move pointless. That being said, because the leak has received a significant amount of media coverage for its unprecedented nature, I propose splitting the content about the leak to a new page, BUT only if it continues to be discussed in reliable sources long after the fact per WP:RECENT. ToQ100gou (talk) 06:31, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I would oppose this motion as well, for several reasons; this would be an inappropriate application of WHENSPLIT likely to lead to a POVFORK. There's no reason to split this off at present as it's well within the scope of the article's subject. —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  06:54, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose moving but I support splitting the Leak section into its own article. Skyshifter   talk  16:08, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah I think the leak should be its own article. Timur9008 (talk) 19:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I oppose splitting the leak into a separate article. There's not enough content on its own to warrant having it be split. Jay Coop &middot;&#32;Talk &middot;&#32;Contributions 20:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I also oppose splitting the leak into a separate article. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Move to Grand Theft Auto VI, per WP:COMMONNAME (and the fact that Schreier's reported it's in fact the official name as well). JOE BRO 64  20:24, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * A leak from a reporter ≠ official announcement from Rockstar. Article title should remain as is and be moved to VI when the game is properly unveiled. This was the status quo with the "Untitled Breath of the Wild sequel" (Tears of the Kingdom) for several years. —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  02:52, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Tears of the Kingdom didn't have an obvious WP:COMMONNAME. It's not really comparable to this, which is widely known as GTA VI. JOE BRO 64  03:04, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd argue that Breath of the Wild 2 was the pretty obvious WP:COMMONNAME for several years, so it seems fairly comparable to me. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 04:56, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I edited the page, read my notes for more info. But in short; A Quote on quote "LEAK" is NOT the same as a quote on quote "Hack" Piraatje6 (talk) 12:45, 24 September 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

British English
Why should this article be written in British English? It has strong ties to the US due to Rockstar being based in the US. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:07, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * All Grand Theft Auto articles are written in British English, since the series developer is based in Scotland. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 15:12, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Huh.. I did not know that. I thought it would be written in American English since the main company Rockstar is based in New York. Honestly, I thought Rockstar North was just the official name for Rockstar. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, that I can see, there never was any clearly established consensus with respect to WP:TIES. Since there are none (or nobody has made a strong enough argument that there are), we WP:RETAIN for consistency's sake. —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  12:44, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @CR4ZE You could argue that all Games take place in the US, so the whole franchise is very US focused. XenogenesisX2 (talk) 22:59, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * But I'm not making that argument. The original developer was UK based but most games are set in the US. I don't think either fact gives greater weight with respect to TIES, so the relevant guidance would be to RETAIN and have consistency between the different articles. —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  03:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

This article and its title are ridiculous.
How can a few vague predictions possibly warrant two huge paragraphs? How are these vague predictions relevant to the game’s development, no less? This is WP:PROPORTION and WP:SPECULATION gone mad. Absolutely ridiculous excessive coverage. How are Leslie Benzies’s and Strauss Zelnick’s vague statements related to the game’s development? There’s nothing to suggest that their comments are notable or covered by reliable sources. WP:VNOT Asperthrow (talk) 11:14, 7 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The article primarily draws its notability from the leak, which was very widely reported on (more than enough to pass GNG). However, there is additional information that you would find in other games' development sections, thus the article scope is not limited to just that leak. The article title is the result of the game having no official name yet. The article contains no speculation or original research, and all statements from involved parties were reported by reliable sources. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 14:39, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * A list of WP:CRYSTALBALL predictions and claims is a sorry excuse for a Development section.
 * I refer you to WP:GAMECRUFT section 9, stating “Speculation about future games, rumors about content within a game, or changes in video game developers and publishers should not be included, even if these rumors emerge or are re-reported from reliable sources. Discussion of well-reported, industry-wide rumors from a historical standpoint, well after the time they had or should have happened, may be appropriate to help provide context for a topic.”
 * Are these from a historical standpoint and is the coverage warranted? I’d like to talk about this here with anyone interested. Asperthrow (talk) 22:23, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If you think this article should be deleted feel free to AFD it. ― Blaze WolfTalk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 00:13, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Installment is spelled incorrectly
It's installment, not instalment Vlady290 (talk) 21:09, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is written in British English, in which there is only one "L". Pre  fall  21:30, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * why would you use British English spelling for an American game made by an American based company? Vlady290 (talk) 21:49, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * On a website that run out of the US and is US based Vlady290 (talk) 21:53, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Grand Theft Auto are British games made by a British-based company. Wikipedia's headquarters are irrelevant—this is English Wikipedia, not American English Wikipedia; see MOS:ENGVAR. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 23:45, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

February 2022 has not happened yet
How can rockstar have confirmed the game in February 2022 if it is currently September 2022? Perhaps this is when they intended to announce it, or maybe the date is just wrong, either way this should be changed. 69.222.187.203 (talk) 01:55, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Rockstar confirmed the game's development in February 2022. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 01:59, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * it appears I have confused February for December and thought that February was in the future. (Not sure if this is formatted correctly this is my first time doing this) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.222.187.203 (talk) 02:07, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Lmao. Neocorelight (Talk) 14:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * yeah 2A01:CB1C:DE9:1300:140A:77AF:ECE6:CA0A (talk) 20:32, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Including the hacker's name?
Now that the hacker's name is known, should it be included within the "Leak" section? 2A02:A020:86:180B:91A5:C50D:7F8F:9640 (talk) 22:40, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No, per WP:BLPNAME: "Caution should be applied when identifying individuals who are discussed primarily in terms of a single event". – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 22:43, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok! Quite interesting after reading the rule/clause. I bet the circumstance would be different if he was some sort of world-class international hacker. To this day, it still astonishes me that a 16-17 year old had done this. 2A02:A020:86:180B:91A5:C50D:7F8F:9640 (talk) 06:25, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Question
Was this article included in the “In the news” section of the main page when it was leaked? 2600:6C52:7200:F80D:D4E2:5E1D:57CA:C135 (talk) 13:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No, nor does it appear to have been nominated—but it was on the front page in the DYK section. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 13:52, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh ok. I’m new to this website but I suppose it isn’t notable enough for “in the news”. Cool that they had it in the DYK section though 2600:6C52:7200:F80D:D4E2:5E1D:57CA:C135 (talk) 13:55, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Edit notice
for info: I've added the engvar edit notice to this article. Same one as GTA V - X201 (talk) 11:42, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Rename
I think we should rename this to GTA 6 until we know what its official title is. Thoughts? Eg224 (talk) 22:55, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The fact that we don't have an official title is the exact reason this shouldn't be renamed. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 22:57, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2023
Edit Untitled Grand Theft Auto game to Grand Theft Auto 6 (GTA 6) Moondeve (talk) 00:11, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RudolfRed (talk) 01:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

please link the page with the italian page, thank you
I can't add the linking between languages because I don't have permission, maybe because the page is protected, the italian page is this: Videogioco senza titolo della serie 𝘎𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘧𝘵 𝘈𝘶𝘵𝘰 - Wikipedia Mario4736 (talk) 05:02, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ on Wikidata. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 05:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Infobox
Since the game is apparently about to be (re)announced, should the infobox be unhidden once the name (likely to be GTA VI) is revealed? RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:40, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * We'll just have to wait and see exactly what is announced. The name alone isn't enough to justify the infobox, in my opinion, but we may learn more than that. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 04:42, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2023
Add either a subsection or section detailing the current events ongoing with Rockstar Games announcing the plans to rollout the trailer for the next Grand Theft Auto in December of 2023. Planeman77 (talk) 04:32, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The information is already in the article. An additional subsection for a single sentence is unnecessary. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 04:33, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto VI/6
I think this page should be moved to a new page called Grand Theft Auto VI/6 in early December since it's official that the game trailer will be announced next month in early December. WrestleLuxury Wiki (talk) 15:13, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Game Trailer has been announced, but the name of the game hasn't. SRG372 (Talk • Edits) 17:16, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * We should wait until the trailer releases. Lostfan333 (talk) 19:53, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * i mean it's obviously gonna be gta 6 lol, but i agree with y'all we should wait till December, what if the game actually turns out to be gta chinatown wars 2 or gta 5 toaster edition lmao WrestleLuxury Wiki (talk) 16:59, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For one, we do not know whether they will call the game "Grand Theft Auto VI" or "Grand Theft Auto 6". Maybe it will be a Red Dead Redemption 2 situation where a Roman numeral is on the cover but all texts use the Arabic one. Maybe they will give it a more unique subtitle. Even if the game will likely not end up being called "gta chinatown wars 2 or gta 5 toaster edition lmao", we are in no rush to give the article a name the product does not yet have. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 17:27, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Most liked video game tweet
Rockstar announcement tweet is apparently the most liked video game tweet ever to date. In my opinion, this should be included in the article, though I have only found a WP:METRO source stating this and it ain’t considered reliable as far as I can tell. Is Eurogamer considered reliable? It seems very serious to me. 2804:14D:5C32:4673:F749:2FC4:FA8F:6F1B (talk) 06:18, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For a huge list of which video game sources are, and aren't, reliable, see Wikipedia:VG/RS - X201 (talk) 08:16, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ with some additional references—definitely seems notable enough for at least a brief mention. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 06:38, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I can already tell this game will break records. 81.169.0.200 (talk) 07:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2023
Uhhh… I don’t know how to say this because it’s kind of embarrassingly obvious, but y’all spelled installment wrong. 129.237.90.183 (talk) 06:55, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As explained above, the article uses British English; "instalment" is correct. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 06:59, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2023
Adding this source: "https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/ak73k92o47ko75/grand-theft-auto-community-update"

to this statement:"Rockstar confirmed in February 2022 that the game is in development."

In this article: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untitled_Grand_Theft_Auto_game" Ralfidogg (talk) 20:31, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The statement is already sufficiently sourced. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 21:12, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2023
On the 1st of December, 2023. Rockstar makes an announcement in regards to the first trailer of the new alleged Grand Theft Auto 6. The first trailer will apparently be released on the 5th of December, 2023 at 9 A.M EST. 72.17.37.250 (talk) 15:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done, already in the article. (Third paragraph of Development section.) RodRabelo7 (talk) 17:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

alternate title for the article
I think it should be titled "next GTA", instead of "untitled GTA". Even Rockstar is calling it "next". МетроГол (talk) 12:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The current format is the common one for this kind of topic, so I don't feel there is a need for moving. Besides, we will have the proper name in just two days. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 13:24, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, unnecessary since we’ll be getting an official name in two days. RodRabelo7 (talk) 16:27, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree, wait 2 days.—  Crumpled Fire  • contribs • 18:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Other studios/publishers are delaying their own game releases due to the trailer release
Major publisher Paradox Interactive announced that they were delaying the launch of their new Stellaris Nexus game by 1 week, stating "The Stellaris Nexus team was prepared for comet sightings, but no one was prepared for GTA VI dropping a trailer on our release day!"

This seems like it may be worthy of a mention on the page; Paradox and Stellaris are well known and established brands, yet are completely yielding the spotlight for that entire week and delaying it's own games release

https://x.com/PdxInteractive/status/1731675189270704273?s=20 Moore4Nate (talk) 21:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

another leak
apparently it has been leaked once again. see https://dotesports.com/gta/news/rockstar-games-devs-son-may-be-getting-grounded-soon-over-alleged-gta-6-leak (dot esports is considered reliable) 2804:388:4118:FB55:1:0:CB82:180B (talk) 20:01, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


 * https://www.eurogamer.net/gta-6-tiktok-leak-has-come-from-the-son-of-a-rockstar-games-employee 2804:388:4118:FB55:1:0:CB82:180B (talk) 21:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Not confirmed. The source even states that.  Mike   Allen   00:50, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

The person who just Leak the Trailer already got suspended. --Happiness is Simple (talk) 23:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Trailer
The trailer was released early, it is officially titled "Grand Theft Auto VI" Asknaffffwiki (talk) 23:20, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Page title changed Troutfarm27  (Talk) 23:24, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Change the "Leak" heading to "September 2022 leak"
There's been more leaks since then, so since this section only discusses the September 2022 leak, the heading should be adjusted to reflect that. Ayvacs (talk) 00:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Split the leak to its own page?
Should it be split then? Ebbedlila (talk) 23:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see why; the article isn't especially long. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 23:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I’d say wait. 2804:14D:5C32:4673:FA44:E018:E404:A9FA (talk) 00:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

GTA VI
The page must be officially moved with the title of Grand Theft Auto VI, in recent days it appeared on Metacritic with this title officially confirming the name of the game. Shin Kurogane (talk) 17:10, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * This isn't an official source; we should we wait until info from Rockstar themselves surfaces. SuperWikiBrother (talk) 17:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Rockstar have announced the game but only referred to it as "the next Grand Theft Auto". Until the title is confirmed to be Grand Theft Auto VI we cannot change it. AlienChex (talk) 21:33, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * confirmation that the game will be called Grand Theft Auto VI, the page should be moved. Thomediter (talk) 21:59, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * An anonymous Reddit thread is not "confirmation". – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 22:14, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * True, and I meant to delete it, because I realized that it seems like a single case, but it's interesting nonetheless and I'll try to see if I can dig into this Thomediter (talk) 22:16, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It's certainly interesting if true, but ultimately has little impact on this article unless reliable sources consider it notable—and I assume we'll have official confirmation in less than 16 hours anyway. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 22:18, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * F*cking h*ll, but can we at least move the page now. Thomediter (talk) 22:55, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * There was just a trailer leak confirming the title and such, “Grand Theft Auto VI” so idk if it can be up updated til its officially
 * shown tomorrow 67.84.50.183 (talk) 23:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

trailer just got released by rockstar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.98.231.64 (talk) 01:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2023
Add RAGE engine to the info page, and fix typo "instalment" to "installment" LoadingYourData101 (talk) 02:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. "Instalment" is not a typo; the article uses British English. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 02:32, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * LoadingYourData101, this is an edit request; please consider not using the imperative, thank you. Drmies (talk) 02:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Countless people use imperative for their edit requests (even on this very talk page), I don't understand why you felt the need to comment that specifically here. Skyshifter   talk  02:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

In this article: a powertripping Wikipedian
Wikipedia user @Rhain, whose bio claims to have significantly contributed to every video game article under the sun is throwing a hissy fit against users who attempt to correct "instalment" to "installment." I thought this was particularly weird, considering both the game and the developer making it is by-and-large from the United States. So I checked his profile, and lo and behold, he is a British Wikipedian essentially claiming he made all the contributions to this article, and preventing people from changing the word to American English. He has even input code in the article warning people not to change it. I urge some higher power reading this to put an end to this nonsense. Wikentromere (talk) 07:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Per the many previous discussions, this article uses British English. Interestingly, most of Rockstar—including the lead studio behind the Grand Theft Auto series—is actually British. Per MOS:RETAIN, "An article should not be edited or renamed simply to switch from one variety of English to another". And, since you brought up my nationality (not that it matters), I use Australian English, not British. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 07:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * To add onto this: Rockstar North, the creator and principal developer of the series, is based in Edinburgh, Scotland. Scotland is in the UK, not the US. This would be relevant if we considered the location of the developer as a strong national tie that determines the used spelling variety and date format, but we don't. Hence, RETAIN applies as Rhain cited above. Since this is a recurring issue, however, I chose to exchange "instalment" with "entry", which is equally valid but has no grounds for warring whatsoever. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 08:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If only we had an article that explained the history of Rockstar Games and all its studios. - X201 (talk) 08:47, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Let the record show that Wikientromere is a self-proclaimed "stubbornly proud natural-born citizen of the United States" accusing others of patriotic dogma over the spelling of a word on a Wikipedia article. We (those who have contributed regularly to GTA-related pages) are exhausted having to retread this tired dissension. IceWelder, thank you for taking the onus to go with "entry". Wikientromere, given you're so passionately assured in your patriotism, why don't start you start a WP:RfC on the issue and state your case for overturning the status quo there? —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  10:03, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * OMG! Keep calm both of you. 2804:388:A02F:4A07:0:50:C16D:2C01 (talk) 12:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2023 (2)
Platforms are not confirmed yet, please do not spread misleading information to the fans. 2A02:A58:8412:AD00:8CFE:D4DE:5D35:1500 (talk) 14:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Platforms were confirmed last night in a press release by Take-Two (see citation 42). Also, Rockstar just confirmed the platforms themselves. Pre  fall  14:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

How do we know it'll release on Xbox Series X/PS5?
Are there any citations that it'll release on Xbox or Playstation. Can somebody cite that source? Fujimotofan235 (talk) 14:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Platforms were confirmed last night in a press release by Take-Two (see citation 42). Also, Rockstar just confirmed the platforms themselves. Pre  fall  14:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2023 (3)
Add the official trailer as a source (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdBZY2fkU-0) Ducky1440 (talk) 15:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌. All necessary info is covered by reliable, secondary sources. We do not need the video as a separate reference. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 15:11, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Setting heading
there's currently a lot of duplicate info between the intro paragraph and the "Setting" heading. i feel like this will have its place once we learn more about the game, but does it make sense to have this heading currently? Pdubs.94 (talk) 15:30, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2023 (4)
Request to link the Norwegian Wikipedia page for "Grand Theft Auto VI" to the same pages in other languages. Currently, these interlanguage links are not established, and it seems that changes on Wikidata are required to achieve this, which I do not have permission to do. The purpose of linking these pages is to facilitate easier navigation between different language versions and to ensure consistency in the content across these versions. Mixeb (talk) 16:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ at Wikidata. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 19:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

"Untitled Grand Theft Auto game" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Untitled_Grand_Theft_Auto_game&redirect=no Untitled Grand Theft Auto game] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Is la  🏳️‍⚧ 22:03, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2023
Change the spelling of instalment to installment Kdassharma7 (talk) 18:24, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The article is written in British English where the preferred spelling is instalment. SRG372 (Talk • Edits) 18:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Considering it is a game developed by an American video game publisher, it would be more logical to write in American English. 12u (talk) 12:04, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The series is primarily developed by a British studio, leading to the consistency here. I wouldn't say the game has particularly strong national ties either, at least not based on the publisher's headquarters alone. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 12:22, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah Rockstar North is Scottish and exists to parody America, something that’s increasingly hard to do. It’s ironic you think the game actually glamorises America to a degree everyone should prescribe to American customs. Coronaverification (talk) 22:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Rockstar Studios or Rockstar North
All other studios are too small to develop a game with a 2B budget besides Rockstar North. But for now we can use Rockstar Studios as a substitute as other studios may be involved.

Thoughts Coronaverification (talk) 20:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * See WP:OR RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, Rockstar North are the publishers. See. If you want to speculate and ironically WP:OR then we can use Rockstar Studios. Coronaverification (talk) 21:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Rockstar North are the primary developers* and are responsible for the GTA franchise. Coronaverification (talk) 21:52, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Please provide a source. Seek consensus here before reverting again; see WP:BRD. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 21:59, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You don’t need to provide a source for something that is public knowledge. — Part of the Rockstar Games family since 1999, Rockstar North is home to the ground-breaking Grand Theft Auto Series. Coronaverification (talk) 22:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, we do require a source. Whether it is Rockstar North or Studios is still unclear. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 22:03, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it’s more unlikely that, if you know the history of DMA Design, the development rights were handed over to another studio randomly just because of a long wait before releases. This is just common sense. Coronaverification (talk) 22:04, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The Rockstar North homepage satisfies all 4 source requirements and some. Coronaverification (talk) 22:07, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "Common sense" is not a source. We haven't had a new GTA game in a decade, and Rockstar's development process has significantly changed in that time. Rockstar North's website makes no mention of VI. Until it's clear and reliably sourced, there's no reason to add anything to the article. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 22:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This is complete speculation. Nothing has changed in that time regarding the Scottish studios responsibility over the IP they started as DMA Design, and if so, there would be extensive media coverage and the developers website would be updated to reflect that, furthermore, whilst Take-Two refers to Rockstar Studios there has never been a GTA game that hasn’t had external help, so it’s either Rockstar North or Rockstar Studios. Both are valid. Coronaverification (talk) 22:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * A reply to this was deleted saying both are valid so why not use studios. I tried. I’ve tried both and they keep getting reverted. Stop reverting without research and something to put to the table. Coronaverification (talk) 22:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It's clear that Rockstar have shifted to an all-hands-on-deck structure in the last decade and their credits have begun to reflect that. North could still be the lead studio on VI and not be credited as the developer, like they once were. Plus, if North were indeed credited, they likely would have been mentioned in either the trailer, the press release, or other marketing materials that have been released, which Rockstar have historically done. The fact that they're silent on this indicates to me that this is another group-credited project that does not require distinction.
 * Regardless, none of our opinions on this subject matter. If we do not have a reliable source explicitly stating the developer of VI, then it should not be included. Pre  fall  22:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Sauce for the claim “likely would have been mentioned in either the trailer, the press release, or other marketing materials that have been released, which Rockstar have historically done.” Coronaverification (talk) 23:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * there's nothing on the R* North homepage even mentioning this game. the TakeTwo press release only calls out Rockstar Studios Pdubs.94 (talk) 22:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The press release does not mention any developer. Rockstar North is part of the development with 99.99% certainty, but as long as there is no source in regards to the developer credit, we will have to leave it out. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 00:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Footage is singular
this is super nit-picky but don't want to be accused of edit warring. the intro section currently states the "footage from early development versions were leaked online" but this is not correct - "footage" is singular in this context. if you want to use "were", it should say " pieces  of footage were...." Pdubs.94 (talk) 21:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * "50 minutes of footage" is plural, however. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 00:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * not exactly. it is indeed correct to use were under the Development section (not the intro that I was talking about), but for a slightly different reason than what you state. it's because of the 90 videos at the beginning of the sentence that was becomes were, not because of the 50 minutes.
 * 90 videos [showing 50 minutes of work-in-progress game footage] were leaked ---> 90 videos [ ] were leaked.
 * i hope this doesn't come off as argumentative, just trying to provide some context Pdubs.94 (talk) 00:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

“Action-adventure game”
Dumb question: what’s the source for this? RodRabelo7 (talk) 16:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The whole series? Faren29 (talk) 02:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not a source. I've added one. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 02:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! RodRabelo7 (talk) 03:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

#BanGTA6 movement
There's trend going on Twitter/X stating to Ban GTA 6 TheProWrestlingFanatic (talk) 02:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Vice has reported on it here, but it's mostly "here are some angry tweets" for now. Might be worth keeping an eye on. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 02:23, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree; sounds like an interesting bit but we should wait and see if it develops further (I'd wager that it won't, for now at least). Clout-chasers drumming up false moral outrage on Twitter is nothing new/notable. —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  05:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Well put. My thoughts exactly. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 05:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

"and later evading custody with her partner"
@CR4ZE, where is it stated by the two sources you have given? RodRabelo7 (talk) 13:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Read the very next sentence after your quote and you will find it. Hope this helps. —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  13:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, now I see. It seems to be a language-related issue. I thought that to evade custody meant to escape from prison, not from authorities. I apologize. RodRabelo7 (talk) 13:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Not an issue. Thank you for your contributions here. —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  13:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

"developed and published"
The game is still in development and hasn't been published yet. Does it truly sound correct? "in development" seems a better option here IMHO. RodRabelo7 (talk) 15:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I second this. —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  15:22, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Lone dependent clause error
The quote: "Set within the fictional state of Leonida, based on Florida, including its Miami-inspired Vice City, and other cities." It should be joined with the next sentence or reworded. 71.191.129.137 (talk) 21:57, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Agreed. “Located in the fictional state of Leonida, modeled after Florida, the setting encompasses Vice City, reminiscent of Miami, along with various other cities.” Coronaverification (talk) 21:59, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That’s thanks to the incredible edit war @Coronaverification is engaged in right now! It’s probably fixed now. RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:59, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Always assume good faith Coronaverification (talk) 22:03, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * , the "example" you provide above is needlessly fragmented by commas and redundancies, and your recent revision is equally less than ideal. Compare the pair:
 * Set within the fictional open world state of Leonida (based on Florida) and its Miami-inspired Vice City, the story is expected to follow criminal duo Lucia and her male partner
 * Set within the fictional open world state of Leonida (based on Florida), including its Miami-inspired Vice City, the story is expected to follow criminal duo Lucia and her male partner
 * The former is clearer. Indeed, we expect there will be other locales, but Vice City is the main setting and the only location within Leonida confirmed by Rockstar and reliable sources. —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  14:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Needlessly is subjective, if you done a dive into the trailer you’d notice locations outside of Vice City (See motorway signs).
 * And from the horses mouth: “Grand Theft Auto VI heads to the state of Leonida, home to the neon-soaked streets of Vice City and beyond. Coronaverification (talk) 14:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) You provide a short sentence with four separate commas. "Encompasses" and "reminiscent" are needlessly verbose. "Various" is a redundancy plain and simple. If there are "other cities", how can they be anything other than "various"? See WP:REDEX as it may help. 2) Don't patronise me. I've seen the trailer and read the press release. Again, the and beyond (your emphasis) gives no further information, so unless you can point to reliable sources referencing these multiple cities you allege, you're doing your own research. We go with what the sources say. 3) Your wording is ambiguous as a reader may connect the middle part of the clause to the last, not the first as intended. Hope this helps. —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  15:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The use of commas helps structure and clarify the information, preventing confusion. "Encompasses" emphasizes the comprehensive nature of the setting, adding depth. "Reminiscent" conveys a sense of familiarity crucial for understanding. "Various" contributes to the emphasis of diversity across the different cities and overall it enhances the description, avoiding monotony. Overall, these elements enhance the sentence's vividness and precision. Asking you to take a deep dive into the trailer, not just watching it but reading through key-frames, is not patronisation—it actually helps foster a better understanding that will greatly improve this Wikipedia article. And lastly, the emphasis on beyond clearly indicates locations other than Vice City. And again, the signs on the motorway and the locations in the trailer reflect this.
 * When an edit is refuted and I get referred to the talk page, there is no need to get personal, if you do-it damages your argument and makes your attempt at good faith potentially more difficult to understand. Coronaverification (talk) 16:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Jason
So I’ve re-added a note by @Skyshifter about Jason’s (yet to be confirmed) name. @Rhain was the one responsible for removing it. Opening a discussion to reach a consensus here. RodRabelo7 (talk) 02:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I think people reading the article want information on Lucia's partner, including his name, and it seemed pretty valid to include a note saying that Jason (widely believed to be his name due to the September 2022 leaks) isn't confirmed. Skyshifter   talk  02:30, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Also with regards to Jason, why does the article say "their partner who was assigned male at birth"? This sounds like the exact sort of troll bait used on twitter, falsely claiming Lucia is a trans character. It should simply either say "her partner" or "her male partner". 81.108.189.116 (talk) 17:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2023
Please provide source for Rockstar explicitly acknowleging that Lucia's partner was "assigned male at birth".

Inaccurate depiction of the producer's intention can lead to unneeded controversy and outrage by politically motivated groups. 2600:100F:B1BA:FF16:ED42:8F98:89F7:D641 (talk) 17:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌ Blatant trolling added to the article. Already reverted. RodRabelo7 (talk) 17:18, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

What to use
What should we use for the infobox? The promotional poster or the official game logo? Quettagon (talk) 01:24, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Maybe both, but it may be too much. Heythereimaguy (talk) 16:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I like the promotional poster much better. Lostfan333 (talk) 17:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * GTA5 and GTA4 articles both use cover posters for their image - i think it makes sense to match precedence. Pdubs.94 (talk) 18:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Leonida reference
The Spanish version of this article mentions that Leonida is a reference to Juan Ponce de León, Spanish discoverer and ruler of Spanish Florida. Is this worth including? This is the source they provide: https://www.hobbyconsolas.com/noticias/gta-6-revela-importante-cambio-respecto-vice-city-original-saga-1345836 Pdubs.94 (talk) 23:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That's certainly interesting, but for now it's more of an Easter egg. Any mention in the article would be trivial unless other sources also consider it significant (or Rockstar confirms the reference). – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 02:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ Pdubs.94 (talk) 18:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2023
I was changing """x""" to Twitter, as it should be. I made an account just to do it. Darkpixlz (talk) 01:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Like it or not (and I don't), Twitter is now known as X. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 01:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't WP:COMMONNAME take priority? ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">blaze&#95;&#95;wolf 02:53, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That guideline mostly refers to article titles, but sure—and most references here refer to it as X (with several also clarifying its former name). The Twitter article itself also refers to its modern iteration as X in prose. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 03:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">blaze&#95;&#95;wolf 03:03, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * for further/future guidance, there have been about a thousand discussions regarding whether to say "twitter" vs "X" on the talk:Twitter page that we can refer to - for the record, they are still calling it twitter based on WP:COMMMONNAME Pdubs.94 (talk) 04:28, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * In the title, yes. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 04:44, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah that was what I was confused about, but I see your point. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">blaze&#95;&#95;wolf 12:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Note B is arguably incorrect
The note describes certain female characters as the protagonists of their games. It is honestly arguable as to whether or not they count as such. Like Lucia is very clearly shown to be much more of a main character than the others and I think the distinction is significant. Polargrizbear (talk) 17:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The note is not WP:OR. It is all sourced, and it is, after all, only a note. Readers are usually not dumb and know that GTA I and II were very small compared to GTA VI. RodRabelo7 (talk) 18:20, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

"The series' first female protagonist since 2000" makes little sense as note B itself notes the option of having a female avatar in GTA Online, a canonical 2013 entry in the series. The explanation could be simplified into something like this: Lucia, the series' first female protagonist with voice acting and a defined personality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.64.255.72 (talk) 15:47, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2023
Change “No Windows version was announced.” to “No PC version was announced.” under Development(paragraph 3) 206.84.147.27 (talk) 05:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia lists PC games by the operating system that they run on. A PC can be Windows, Linux, MacOS, etc based. PC versions of GTA are Windows based, hence the choice of wording. - X201 (talk) 08:46, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Actual time duration of leaked footages
The Guardian source claims that leaked footages time duration was 50 minutes but the actual time duration was 63 minutes here's the link  so I think it will be right to remove the part "showing 50 minutes of work-in-progress game footage" from "September 2022 leak" section. Kazama16 (talk) 14:57, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No, we go with what the reliable source says. Wikipedia doesn't do original research. The video could have been tampered with by the anonymous person who uploaded a copy to archive.org. Besides which, that video is a copyright violation and should never be linked from Wikipedia, so would never be verifiable. - X201 (talk) 15:11, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The 90 clips from the original leak last 53:26. I'm not sure why the Inet Archive version is 10 minutes longer, but it wouldn't be reliable anyway. Giving 50 minutes as the rough duration seems fine. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 15:46, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @IceWelder how do you know the exact time duration of the leaks? 2804:14D:5C32:4673:65F3:A678:A213:A1B0 (talk) 21:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I can corroborate IceWelder's 53:26 runtime. The Internet Archive version has some repeated clips (e.g., see 15:26 and 30:47, 30:26 and 35:51, 32:57 and 43:29), hence its extended length. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 23:38, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Guinness World Records
The trailer broke 2 more records besides for the most views in 24 hours on non-music YouTube video according to Guinness World Records can we use this in article? Kazama16 (talk) 07:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Good catch; the likes record with secondary sourcing. –  Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 08:20, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Genre of this game
@Rhain, the genre of this game cannot be sourced reliably because no secondary source has access to that information. Asperthrow (talk) 21:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Secondary sources can have access to this information. Remember September 2022 leaks? For instace, videos o Lucia shooting policemen or in the bed of a high-speed pickup truck show it is indeed an action-adventure game; secondary sources simply allow us to add this information to the article. 2804:14D:5C32:4673:A997:725:1596:4AD7 (talk) 01:24, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Footage which is not representative of the final product. No one is an expert of a thing which he cannot access. Asperthrow (talk) 09:18, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Controversies
How about we add a new section "Controversies" here are some controversies of Grand Theft Auto VI for example such as Florida Joker     and #BanGTA6 trend on X    Kazama16 (talk) 18:35, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Is there any coincidence?
Grammar error.

"two counts of breach of bail" seen from september 2022 leak section. What kind of his writing skill? Why it is a coincidence to see the one word being neatled by 2 ofs? I hope someone can fix the grammar by mistake, and can understand the variation of writing skills. Cmiiw.2404:8000:1027:B639:D16:38A1:1062:AE16 (talk) 04:04, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * "Breach of bail" is the legal term for the charge brought against him, and there are two counts of that. Feel free to propose an amended wording, but the grammar is a-okay. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 08:15, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Although it is grammatically correct, I agree that it is a bit unwieldy to say “of” twice in quick succession. I changed it to “breaching bail conditions.” :) Slamforeman (talk) 19:24, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Gta 5 source code
it has been leaked online. I know there's a 4-gb version and a rumored 200-gb one. should this be added to the article, just a brief mention? 2804:388:411E:D628:1:0:45E0:C1AE (talk) 16:10, 26 December 2023 (UTC)


 * That may be worthy of note on Grand Theft Auto V (This is the talk page for Grand Theft Auto IV, the sequel to GTA 5 that is scheduled to come out in 2025.)
 * It seems that information on the leak was added but then removed because of a lack of a reliable source. If you would like to include such information, alongside a reliable source, that would be fantastic!
 * Cheers, Slamforeman (talk) 23:57, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Kill access dates
Here's a hot take: the accessdate parameter is useless. That's more than just my opinion; it's actually in the Cite web parameter guidelines for articles that have publication dates. I understand that it's commonplace, but it's explicitly not required for date-stamped articles, and doubly redundant for refs that have been archived. This article's footnote list is already approaching the 100-mark, and I do think there would be some gain in lightening page size on large/growing larger articles. Thoughts? —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  13:02, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Agreed. ~ 201.17.57.53 (talk) 04:06, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Is there any opposition to/disagreement on this? —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  07:51, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @CR4ZE, you may proceed with your suggestion, see WP:SILENCE. 2804:14D:5C32:4673:600D:C6FC:EF40:B1F5 (talk) 04:50, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I sometimes use access dates to validate whether text might have been changed after being referenced here. There is a minor benfit to having them, but I see no real benefit in removing them outside of trimming a few bytes off the article. Plus, there will probably be more maintenance in not having them as some users tend to add them, as do some tools lika IABot. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 20:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I strongly disagree. Maybe it's not necessarily useful with more modern sources but it can be helpful with archiving as it gives you a date to look for when looking for the archive as sources can change overtime. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">blaze&#95;&#95;wolf 20:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * To be fair, that's not really a concern when archive links are added alongside the original links, as is the case here. That being said, I tend to add access dates out of habit; I see no benefit in their removal but I'm not likely to make a fuss either way. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 01:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Folks, apologies to protract this. I've been away and offline for a few weeks. To echo Rhain, the point on verifiability doesn't hold much water when archive and access dates are added simultaneously. To clarify on my point about concision, it's less about bytes saved and more about readability of the list, particularly for desktop users. I find reference lists hard to navigate when there are three separate dates given per citation and they often run these cites into three or four lines of text instead of two. As for extra maintenance, I'd say the seconds saved by not filling out an extra parameter balance out the seconds added by removing parameters added by other editors/bot runs. Just some thoughts. —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  13:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Video games set in Florida
, any objection not to add this category to the article? All Vice City–based Grand Theft Auto games have it, and it is a subcategory of Category:Florida in fiction, which seems to be a category that accepts reimaginations of Florida itself, not necessarily a strict copy of the place (it’s fiction!). Regards, RodRabelo7 (talk) 23:59, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Simply the name shouldn’t be a reason at all in my opinion, since we have sources clearly stating Leonida is based in Florida. RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The PS2 version of Vice City is based in the state of Florida, while this version is in the (fictional) state of Leonida. It doesn't belong in the category, in my opinion. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 00:02, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * pinging top 10 editors in case they have something to add. RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If the fictional state of Leonida is confirmed by the developers as based off IRL Florida, that would be reasonable. However, going by the precedent in GTA 5, there's no need for the page to be categorised as such; Leonida is based on Florida but is not Florida per se. Blake Gripling (talk) 01:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I support Blake and Rhain. Pdubs.94 (talk) 01:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I understand the category to only contain games that actually take place in Florida, not simply being inpired by it or being floridaesque. With this in mind and the way we've handled this for similar situations (GTA5 primarily), I think it should be excluded. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 08:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Why am I being pinged? ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">blaze&#95;&#95;wolf 02:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Wording
"follow criminal duo Lucia and her male partner" sounds faulty. Should it be something like "duo consisting of"? --Gert7 (talk &middot; contribs) 20:54, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * In the lead? The full text of "...the story is expected to follow criminal duo Lucia and her male partner" sounds fine to me. - X201 (talk) 21:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Perhaps "... the criminal duo of Lucia and her male partner"? IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 21:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I think that might work best; I made the change. Once we officially know her male partner's name, the original phrasing will make more sense. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 23:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Says 16th entry, when in reality it's the 17th?
I don't have the power to change this, but I do have proof! GTA - 1, GTA: L1969 - 2, GTA: L1961 - 3, GTA 2 - 4, GTA 3 - 5, GTA: VC - 6, GTA: SA - 7, GTAA - 8, GTA: LCS - 9, GTA: VCS - 10, GTA IV - 11, GTA IV: TLAD - 12, GTA IV: TBOGT - 13, GTA V - 14, GTA O - 15, GTA VI - 16, TopazianFounder (talk) 17:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * You... uh... never mind.  Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 21:34, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I believe sixteenth entry is working under the belief that Online is not its own instalment but part of GTA V. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 23:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If their count is correct, VI being the 16th entry has Online as its own game.  Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 01:51, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Good point; they completely missed Chinatown Wars. Add that, remove Online, and then VI is sixteenth. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 01:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I think Online should be considered its own thing if every Madden can be considered its own thing.  Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 02:04, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The comparison would be more apt if Madden NFL 24 was included as a fully playable mode within Madden NFL 23. However—despite appearances—it is not, and they separate entries. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 02:14, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Kotaku article
The recent Kotaku article has been garnering some scrutiny because it offers no concrete information or sources for ita subject matter. It cites last month's Bloomberg and Aftermath article, but what they have are anecdotal as neither state that GTA VI is falling behind.

The reference is used in the "Development" section and thus, should be removed. 2A02:A03F:CA3F:2D00:F93A:3812:2050:7DB9 (talk) 12:50, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The Kotaku article attributes its information several times to its sources. Bloomberg and Aftermath are mentioned as additional background, not as sources for Kotaku's information. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 13:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Bloomberg and Aftermath are cited in sections of the article about crunch so it’s irrelevant if those articles make mention of a possible delay.
 * Moreover, it seems that Kotaku are the ones being told about a possible delay (judging by the author's use of "At the moment, I’m told that Rockstar" in paragraph 6). While this might be hearsay, Kotaku are careful to note that there is so far only speculation about a delay, and that is mentioned in the development section of the Wikipedia article. Slamforeman (talk) 13:05, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

confused about the last paragraph
Hello, The last paragraph is confusing. It states there was a 17-year-old with autism who was arrested and charged with the hack. The articles cited--[95] and [99] both mention an 18 year old with autism and an unnamed 17 year old who was also involved. Damien.Otis.x (talk) 00:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The immediate sources after his age is first stated—96 and 97 in this revision—verify that he was 17 when arrested. I believe he was 18 by the time he stood trial. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 00:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)