Talk:Grande Tema incident

Operation Buckthorn
I am happy for you to delete the article I made on this a while ago as this one is of much better quality and I never got round to adding more to the original. As for not having a reliable source stating the codename of the operation was Operation Buckthorn: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6526825/Stowaways-accused-trying-container-ship-revealed-Nigerian-Liberian.html - "Once the mission – understood to have been codenamed Operation Buckthorn – was complete, the troops were joined by police officers who arrested the stowaways.". TheBestEditorInEngland (talk) 16:51, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi TheBestEditorInEngland, thanks for the reply it's much appreciated. After 7 days the other article will be deleted. I don't agree with the policy but it has been decided that the Daily Mail is "generally unreliable". See WP:DAILYMAIL - Dumelow (talk) 19:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I can't see why anyone would just make up the Operation codename and see it spread as much as it has but without any reliable, especially official, sources, I supposed the name can't be backed up with any evidence. Also thanks for letting me know, I will try and steer clear of using the Daily Mail as a reference in future and online news in general if it can be avoided. All the best, TheBestEditorInEngland (talk) 22:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


 * This article in The Sun (also an unreliable source) claims the operation was called Operation Renegade, not Operation Buckthorn. Some even less reliable things elsewhere (which I won't even link) claim the operation was called Buckthorn but the helicopters' callsigns were Renegade-1, -2 etc. The trouble with all these low quality publications citing "sources" of their own is that it turns into Chinese whispers - it doesn't need anyone to be lying or making stuff up, but rumours and misunderstandings get repeated as "facts" until they end up here (see Circular reporting) and we give them the imprimatur of legitimacy that The Sun doesn't. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 18:47, 17 September 2022 (UTC)