Talk:Granite Flats

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 * Yes, a picture (or several) would be nice. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 23:46, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Certainly there are some good pictures somewhere. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 23:37, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The current poster (displayed in this article) is very good. -- AstroU (talk) 22:45, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not there now; where did it go? Surely producers can produce us an acceptable picture, nicht var? -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 13:47, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Where's a picture that can be used for the article herein? -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 21:03, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * They moved it to Wikipedia. I've added it back to the infobox. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 22:24, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks; looks great; a WP article is always best with a picture. Other action pictures could be added later. -- AstroU (talk) 20:50, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Recurring characters and sketches
For the section entitled, "Recurring characters and sketches" there is wealth of info: Movie names (recurring) include the adults: And the children, they are such a great trio (and solved the FBI mystery): There are only four recurring young people, as we recollect. Note that the WP page is not a fan-page; and there is already a 'cast' section in the article. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 01:23, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * For Richard_Gunn_(actor) there is: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0348226/
 * And: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2624370/fullcredits
 * http://www.byutv.org/seethegood/post/Meet-the-Granite-Flats-cast-Beth.aspx
 * The chief of police John Sanders (romance and FBI intrigue) is played by Richard Gunn;
 * Young, widowed working mother Beth Milligan is played by Annie Tedesco;
 * Charlie Plummer plays Timmy Sanders, John Sanders' son;
 * Jonathan Morgan Heit plays Arthur Milligin, Beth Milligan's son;
 * Malia Tyler plays Madeline, a smart girl, who befriends Timmy and Arthur, junior detectives.
 * [troubled young man] is the son of the vet in prison for the Russian satellite crash and gas explosion.

There are other important players, such as Hershel, his son, and the pastor. Also the FBI agent, now a friend of Chief of Police John Sanders. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 01:51, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

From the Creator
Compare this article with other Wikipedia articles on other TV series and you will see other sections, such as basic philosophy and plot lines. Here are the words of Scott Swoffort to begin the new series on April 6, 2014, in a presentation, "Behind the Scenes". 

Creator and Executive Producer of Granite Flats, Scott Swoffort, tells about the 1960s.

Hi, I’m Scott Swoffort, Executive Producer of Granite Flats—a television series set in the early 1960’s. America was a different place 50 years ago, [a different era back then]. For example, the average cost of a new home was $12,500; a new car, about $3,100; and a gallon of gas was 28 cents.

There were no cellphones, video games, the internet hadn’t even been conceived of; oh, and computers were about the size of a small house. Setting our show in the early 1960’s provides a rich legacy to draw upon. Not just in the culture, but also in the history.

Join me as we take a short look at the world of Granite Flats: a world that may not be as simple or as innocent as one might think. [stock film, graphics, and prior scenes begin playing.] In the aftermath of the Second World War, the Soviet Union, or USSR, began to control nations in Eastern Europe, declaring war on democracy. Each side had enough weaponry to destroy the other. By the first few years of the 1960’s, both the USA and the USSR were launching rockets regularly—satellites for communications, satellites for science, and satellites for spying.

And speaking of spying, obtaining secrets from your competition in just about any industry, especially the military, was very big business. This is the time in which Granite Flats was set. And as you have seen, some of these events have been reflected in our stories. Join us for the exciting second season of Granite Flats.

. . . “Granite Flats;   Season Two;    Sundays;    9pm ET / 7pm MT;    BYUtv. ..


 * Thanks. I enjoyed reading the transcript and watching the YouTube. AstroU (talk) 18:36, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Current new News
Watching Granite Flats on BYUtv, we see that Cary Elwes joins the cast next week, along with Christopher Lloyd. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 03:05, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Headline-1: Christopher Lloyd and Cary Elwes join Granite Flats cast QUOTE: "We're thrilled to announce that veteran actors Christopher Lloyd and Cary Elwes in addition to Finola Hughes are joining season two of BYUtv's Granite Flats! Tune in for the brand new season beginning Sunday, April 6, at 9pm ET/7pm MT! (A special sneak peek of season two will also air on April 6 at 6pm ET/4pm MT, immediately following the Sunday afternoon session of LDS General Confrence. Two chances to watch in one day!) Christopher Lloyd is best known for his iconic roles in the TV series Taxi and films like Who Framed Roger Rabbit, The Addams Family and of course the Back to the Future film trilogy. Cary Elwes is well known for his performances in The Princess Bride, Robin Hood: Men in Tights, Twister, Liar, Liar and New Year's Eve." -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 02:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC) -- PS:FYI for future editing.
 * http://www.byutv.org/seethegood/post/Christopher-Lloyd-and-Cary-Elwes-join-Granite-Flats-cast.aspx

Headline-2: Christopher Lloyd, Cary Elwes Join BYUtv Family Drama ‘Granite Flats’ QUOTE: "the family drama that airs on cabler BYUtv, is adding some high-profile thesps to its roster with Christopher Lloyd and Cary Elwes signing on for guest arcs. ... “Princess Bride” star and “Psych” alum Elwes will appear in four episodes as the head of CIA’s counter intelligence program." -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 02:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC) -- PS:FYI for future editing.
 * http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/christopher-lloyd-cary-elwes-join-byutv-family-drama-granite-flats-1201121636/
 * Christopher Lloyd and Cary Elwes were really great in their appearance and entrance to the series. As an English teacher, Christopher Lloyd is acting just like he did as the crazy-brilliant scientist on Back to the Future. -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 23:12, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Major role for 'Cipher' in Season Two
The young detective is cracking a KGB cipher and when she does, it will be one of the major highlights in Season Two of Granite Flats. -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 18:59, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Here is some information that may be of interest to you (and I'll add the Granite Flats reference to other WP sites on cipher. Madeline explains she has discovered the code within the code: "The preferred choice of [Soviet] spies during WW II. The Nihilistic code was nearly impossible to break without the key. . . . The key? Yes, the code book.  . . .  What's the translation?  "Afraid, downed bird may expose me; May need Plumber's assistance sooner than planned;  Still trying to get close to Eagle;   Have noticed increased activity with Lark and Dove." [Added for insights in future editing.] -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 23:58, 4 May 2014 (UTC)


 * In the next-to-last episode (Sunday/5/18/2004) Tim-Tim breaks a code revealed by Professor Hargraves, "Corum Corcuma / Unum Via Una" (double-forked spying) regards to the real author of Hamlet, etc. Spying is central to Granite Flats, to true fans. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 19:13, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Truth vs Fiction
There is more truth than fiction in Granite Flats. I'm adding 1960s to 'Categories'. -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 21:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * This fictional TV show does not belong in Category:1960s. It is just set in that time period. Looking at the other entries in that category, it was not intended to fit in that category. Bahooka (talk) 19:43, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Having lived in the 'happy days' (high school), I can say it is true to form. -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 01:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Support for Granite Flats
Granite Flats is dedicated with gratitude to Brigham Young University president, Cecil O. Samuelson and his wife, Sharon Samuelson: "For their tireless efforts and vision that made Granite Flats & BUYtv possible." [A dedication given to former BYU president Samuelson and his wife Sharon--after the credits for the final episode of Season Two.] -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 05:11, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Season 2015 - Season Three Production Update

 * Annie Tedesco (who plays Beth Milligan) will NOT be returning for Season Three. It is unclear at this time if her role is being recast, or written out of the series. Jonathan Morgan Heit, who plays (Beth's son) Arthur Milligan, will return. It is not known who else is NOT returning to the show. WriterWithNoName (talk) 22:11, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Actress Parker Posey is slated to join the cast for Season Three. WriterWithNoName (talk) 22:35, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Beth Milligan was one of our favorite characters! But, on the brighter side, look at the Monk TV series: the female lead switched and we love both of them. I'm sure our imagination will be enhanced and entertained by creative writers--that is what they are paid to do. -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 18:01, 7 February 2015 (UTC) -- Look for creative writers to bridge the gap of the single mother role switching actresses.


 * I knew almost immediately at the end of Season Two that Tedesco would not be returning. I'm intrigued by the inner workings of television and movie production, and with Tedesco's departure, I was expecting a major retooling of the show.  That doesn't appear to be the case. Tedesco recently popped up in a Nickelodeon kids show as the mother of the main character. It seems like a huge step backwards.   WriterWithNoName (talk) 15:22, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I suppose the point I am trying to make here is that no show cans a central character without good reason. Tedesco's latest gig certain isn't a step upward, and Imdb.com makes no mention of another actress filling the Beth Milligan role. WriterWithNoName (talk) 14:38, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


 * We'll know soon now, won't we. The article herein says, "BYUtv announced on July 16, 2014, that Granite Flats will return for its third season in April 2015." That would be in just a few weeks.  It's countdown. -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 13:54, 14 March 2015 (UTC)  I.e.: Countdown to Season Three (in April, time for General Conf.)


 * I am certain that you are involved in the production of Granite Flats. Wikipedia isn't a Public Relations resource.If you have facts about the show, we'd be interested in seeing them posted here. WriterWithNoName (talk) 00:19, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment, but no, I'm just a fan; (fans read Wikipedia too, so it is OK for WP editors to be 'fans'. We edit the pages of our highest interest!)  I'm also a member of The Church of Jesus Christ and the world broadcast of April Conference will be April 4-5, so look for Granite Flats to air the first episode of Season Three on Sunday evening, April 5th. (Just guessing.) -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 21:01, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, many fans take an interest in their favorite subject and contribute to Wikipedia. I have my own pet pages. If you have facts about the show, feel free to participate.  WriterWithNoName (talk) 21:21, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm also LDS, and if you look at the official BYUtv website (listed in the article herein) you may surmise we may be watching 'background information' and an introduction to the principles for Season Three (after general conference, Sunday evening.) Hence, the opening episode could be later in April, like Sunday, April 12th. Check it out. -- AstroU (talk) 14:19, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Good news--bad news: My wife and I are disappointed that Season Three will not be available on TV until October, 2015 and only on your computer starting in two days. The names of the Season Three episodes have been added herein. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 21:00, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I plan to watch a single episode each Sunday night, like before with Seasons I & II. -- AstroU (talk) 00:54, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * This isn't a gossip board. WriterWithNoName (talk) 00:34, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. My comment has to do with the move to computer-viewing vs TV-viewing. Perhaps young people will prefer viewing all the episodes at once on their computer and older people the former venue. How will this affect audience size? How will this affect the series if it continues to Season Four? It is more than casual gossip. Time will tell, but it could be noted in the article (with more than half a sentence). -- AstroU (talk) 11:01, 12 April 2015 (UTC) -- It could be that the audience size will increase to millions rather than what is noted in the article herein.
 * Granite Flats is certainly unique among the offerings on cable or the web. The bigger question is whether or not the market still exists for family programming. The chatter on social media leads me to believe that viewers of Granite Flats are looking more for nostalgia than they are groundbreaking TV. BYUTV also has serious distribution problems. The 55 million potential viewers is off by a substantial amount. Unless it can cut a deal with streaming players like Netflix or Hulu. I would venture to guess that this is the last season of Granite Flats. WriterWithNoName (talk) 11:52, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


 * BYU has scored a deal with Netflix. Good for them. WriterWithNoName (talk) 22:09, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Season Three won't air on BYUTV until October 2015 due to contractual issues. WriterWithNoName (talk) 00:20, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Two new stars join the cast
A Google-search shows news from October, 2014: "We're excited to announce that veteran actors Parker Posey and George Newbern have joined the cast of Granite for Season 3! ... Parker Posey is known for her many roles in independent films, as well as large productions like "You've Got Mail", "Best in Show" and "Superman Returns". George Newbern has starred in dozens of films and television shows, from "Father of the Bride" to his current role in the popular ABC series, "Scandal"." "http://www.byutv.org/seethegood/post/Parker-Posey-George-Newbern-join-Granite-Flats-cast.aspx Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 21:11, 1 April 2015 (UTC)


 * A third supporting new star (in the middle of Season Three) is the ex-wife of Hershel (real mother of Wallace): 'Jenny Jenkins' who wants to take her son Wallace to France. -- AstroU (talk) 00:19, 19 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I looked on the GraniteFlats.com website which lists the cast, and the actress that plays Jenny Jenkins is not listed. She should be.  My wife spoke to young Tim-Tim (played by Charlie Plumber) via their Facebook page; maybe we can ask there. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 00:43, 19 April 2015 (UTC) -- PS: Let us know if you have any other unanswered questions.
 * I know that Annie Tedesco was "...not asked back." It would be interesting to know why. WriterWithNoName (talk) 21:30, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe part of that is the plot line (moving on from her character). -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 11:37, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Once again, we're back to conjecture, and your POV. WriterWithNoName (talk) 12:09, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

The 'See also' section
I added one item to the 'See also' section -- I'm sure more can be added. -- AstroU (talk) 00:08, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Annie Tedesco
If anyone wonders why Annie Tedescos is not back, it is revealed in the last part of the last episode of Season Three. The plot requires her absence. Watch it and see. -- AstroU (talk) 12:50, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I discovered Tedesco while doing other research. I thought she (and Granite Flats) would make an interesting subject for a magazine article. It was too late into Season Two for a feature, so we put it on hold until Season Three kicked into gear. I had conducted some background research, and in August 2014, I was contacted and told that most likely, she wasn't returning to the show. When filming began in Sept. 2014, this was confirmed, and I contacted Tedesco personally. She was evasive about the topic, however, her comments led me to believe that she had fully expected to return for Season Three. WriterWithNoName (talk) 14:02, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The contributors to this wiki have actively engaged in obfuscating negative facts about the production. I'm a writer and a newsie, I smell a story. WriterWithNoName (talk) 14:02, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * At any rate, we are really enjoying Granite Flats. We'll watch the ending of Season Three (again) late tonight. -- AstroU (talk) 22:44, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * It's funny, I had forgotten all about my Tedesco post until you folks started making excuses for it. The only reason I made so much hay about it is because you all went to such lengths to try and cover it up. WriterWithNoName (talk) 00:53, 31 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Had it not been for Narnia.Gate7 inventing responses to my post from September 2014, I would have probably unfollowed this page when the Season Three chatter began. WriterWithNoName (talk) 21:24, 31 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for contributions! -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 00:12, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

After Season Two ended, I had little interest in this page. Frankly, I haven't even watched Season Three. However, I've always hated the sloppy, uninformed conjecture that has been stated as fact on this page. That being said, I started digging again, and found out that Tedesco was fired for cause, just as I had suspected all along. It is also my understanding that the actors have never been paid a dime in residuals from the Netflix syndication. WriterWithNoName (talk) 23:14, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Unsupported Claims
I have removed two citations that purport to Granite Flats having received critical acclaim. One link is dead, and the other linked to an NYT article that does not support such a conclusion. WriterWithNoName (talk) 16:19, 16 August 2015 (UTC)