Talk:Grape Street Watts Crips

Notablity
I do not know if this is notable - could someone provide references? ItsZippy (talk) 21:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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(gang)?
Why does this article need a (gang) tag in the name? This should be moved back to Grape Street Watts Crips because it's the only of its kind... Wonder what your take on this is, alot of Crip articles are oddly named. [qub/x q;o++a] ++ 07:46, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I feel it is unnecessary to disambiguate this term. MB298 (talk) 15:08, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Murder
The murder of veteran members (aka OGs) is a notable subject for discussion of the history of these gangs. Saying that the murder of veteran members isn't notable, is like saying that the death of Elon Musk isn't notable to the history of Tesla. Saying gang rivalry isn't notable is the equivelent of saying that McDonald's rivalry with Burger King isn't notable. Deaths in leadership bring rise to new leadership and new rivalries and conflicts. Earlier in your post you said, "they also sell drugs but every drug sale isnt notable" which makes sense but not in comparison to the actual people that run the group. [qub/x q;o++a] ++ 02:22, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not really. OG or not, the individual is non-notable. He may be "famous" in that gang, but this is an encyclopedia and by Wikipedia standards, he's not. Elon Musk, however, is notable, so your example it moot. A gang rivalry may be important, but a single incident most likely isn't. The policy NOTNEWS tells us: "Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion." Comparing some "hood famous" gang member and Elon Musk is laughable. Comparing the rivalry of 2 multi-billion dollar global corporations with 2 gangs in a relatively limited area of a city is hardly comparable. This murder had no continuing coverage or notability. That's why it really doesn't seem significant. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:42, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * "Hood famous" and laughable in comparison to Elon Musk? Why is that so laughable? [qub/x q;o++a] ++ 11:13, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * If you don't know why, then you don't understand notability no explanation would probably help. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:40, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Despite your racially insensitive remarks coming from a conservative who appears to be of Scottish descent. There is nothing in the rules that discusses that people that don't have articles themselves are not notable to the subject. There is plenty of articles about companies and such where the CEO doesn't have his own article. By your argument, the members of the group O.F.T.B. are not notable which includes the rapper Flipside (who was shot by Grape Street) - where it has already been discussed within the article? It should have nothing to do with "hood famous" being the condescending factor that makes them less than a CEO. [qub/x q;o++a] ++ 01:01, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, you looked at my user page and can read userboxes. My remark wasn't racially insensitive. You can be "hood famous" and be any race. Perhaps you don't understand the term. No, perhaps you can explain what my political leanings or ancestry have to do with this discussion or your claim of racism? No, individual members of OFTB are not notable. In a similar manner, Timbaland of Timbaland & Magoo is notable, but Magoo is not. Or the band Devo is notable, but Josh Hager is not. Your claims about the importance are centered around the gang and their reaction, ie limited to a very narrow community of people in a narrow geographic area. "Hood famous" seems applicable, but we can pick another term if it will get you back on topic and not off on some wild goose chase about racism. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:40, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes you know it definately would be more productive to not use condescending derogatory slurs to describe the subject of the article, and we should keep a neutral point of view on the subject. Why aren't you trying to find new good sources for the article and creating content? Judging by your contributions, it seems like the production of new content isn't exactly flexed. [qub/x q;o++a] ++ 08:16, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Since I didn't use any slurs, I'm not sure why you feel the need to address that. I have over 35,000 edits dating back over 9 years. I doubt your research into them was very careful. I add what I think needs added, create what I think needs created. I revert vandalism, clean up and other things. I also watch for fanboys who make "important" edits that really aren't. Now that we're done talking about me, can we resume talking about the article? Niteshift36 (talk) 20:16, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:IDENTIFYUNCIVIL. WP:YESPOV. WP:BIAS [qub/x q;o++a] ++ 01:29, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Why did you link to random stuff? That's unproductive. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:40, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Why did you link to random stuff? That's unproductive. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:40, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2017
This is part of our territory, give us permission to edit our page. or else we gonna spray on yall. this page slanders our name we should be able to edit it OfficialCripComitee (talk) 18:32, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. —  IVORK  Discuss 22:59, 26 April 2017 (UTC)