Talk:Grass Mud Horse/Archive 1

Cao Ni Ma
What makes CNM so popular in the English-speaking realm but not even in the Chinese (popular enough to make someone even transliterate the title into GMH)? As far as there is no such article of a Chinese version, the lingual link to the Chinese Wikipedia is "Baidu 10 Mythical Creatures" in Chinese. Does it make any sense that such a highly offensive/vulgar term derived from some kind of Internet meme becomes a case to be observed, even though not more attention has been made in Chinese Wikipedia, which has the same lingual background to CNM. Ccyber5 (talk) 02:42, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Interesting. The nearest equivalent to Mandarin Chinese profanity is the generic zh:髒話, which is linked to profanity. Perhaps the same arguments would apply... Ohconfucius (talk) 02:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Different meanings of Ma Le Ge Bi
Ma Le Ge Bi, Ma Le Gobi, Mahler Gebi, and Mahler Gobi have several meanings, including the following:
 * The Gobi desert
 * The habitat of grass mud horses
 * Horse-reining Gobi desert
 * Horse-reining spearwall
 * Your mother's ****
 * Your mother's arm
 * Your mother's nose

The syllable bi has over 80 meanings associated with it. These meanings are actually dependent on more than simply the inflectional tone. Ma Le Ge Bi actually has meanings beyond the profane phrase for your mother's genital area or the habitat of grass mud horses, even though these are the two meanings often associated with the Grass Mud Horse Internet meme. Jplatts (talk) 04:07, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Where the Mahler Gobi is located
The Mahler Gobi is located in Inner Mongolia along the northern bank of the Huang He, near the city of Baotou. This description is appropriate because: Jplatts (talk) 17:34, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Grass mud horses are invaded by river crabs, which is an invasive species of crab that lives along the river.
 * There is grass growing in the southern part of the Gobi region
 * The fertile grass mud horse can eat only fertile grass. This region has green grass that can be eaten by the fertile grass mud horses.

Why do the Chinese depict the grass mud horse as an alpaca?
Why do the Chinese depict a grass mud horse as an alpaca? True horses are actually odd-toed ungulates, while grass mud horses are camelids, which are even-toed ungulates. True horses and grass mud horses actually belong to totally different orders, families, genera, and species. Jplatts (talk) 22:59, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * One of life's great mysteries... ;-) Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 05:13, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * My guess is that alpaca is not commonly seen in China, actually the whole East Asia maybe. So the visual effect would be better with such rare animal.--Tricia Takanawa (talk) 20:18, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It might be worth remembering that "llama" in Chinese is 駱馬: "camel-horse". Chinese naming conventions probably are not made to reflect biological classifications.Ferox Seneca (talk) 20:21, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * 駱馬 is a phonetic transcription of "llama". Just like how 乌鲁木齐 Wūlǔmùqí is a phoentic transcription of "ئۈرۈمچی" Ürümchi (Ürümqi), and 阿道夫·希特勒 Adaofu Xitele is a transcription of "Adolf Hitler". The usage of 馬 is secondary at most, and shouldn't be assumed to be directly literal or scientific (as seen in Transcription into Chinese characters, many accompanying meanings from transcribed characters are added only secondary to the actual phonetic spelling, e.g. 可口可乐). Although Hitler was a husband (夫), was a special individual (特) and was sometimes forceful (勒), he was not a follower of the Tao (道), nor a person of hope to many (希). Chinese transcriptions don't work that way. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 02:03, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup?
What specific issues make it necessary to mark this article with a "cleanup needed" tag? The article covers the Caonima from a wide variety of perspectives, and is exhaustively sourced. I don't see how this article is lacking at all, and I don't see any reason why this article shouldn't be at least B-class.Ferox Seneca (talk) 22:43, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Because nobody believes that there is a reason for that banner to be up, I am removing it from the article.Ferox Seneca (talk) 06:00, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

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use of the term radical
Yazhou Zhoukan (亞洲周刊) reported that Zhan Bin, a teacher at the Beijing Institute of Fashion Technology, created a new Chinese character by fusing the three Chinese character radicals for "grass", "mud", and "horse".

艹 from 草 (radical 140, 艸+6, 9 strokes)

氵 from 泥 (radical 85, 水+5, 8 strokes)

马 from 马 (radical 187, 马+0, 3 strokes)

which would give a character with grass on top, water to the left, and horse to the right.

something like this: 菏 (with ma instead of ke)

Longpinkytoes (talk) 20:21, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

'Meme'
Removed as it is not a meme. If it is then will somebody please start declaring that online gaming is a meme and the act of eating at a table is a meme? No. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.38.192.156 (talk) 11:03, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately what you have just said shows that you know little of the subject at hand. Consider reading a few external articles. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 11:13, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * a thorough understanding of memes would mean that you know that
 * declaring something to not be a meme is a nearly sure-fire method to ensure its becoming a meme.
 * in this case this wikipedia entry is clearly not required to tip the scales, but points for trying. :)

Longpinkytoes (talk) 20:27, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 3 January 2021

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move, after extended time for discussion. BD2412 T 05:11, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Grass Mud Horse → Caonima – The current name just feels awkward. Because this is an euphemism, the name isn't meant to be translated like this. Also, the way it is written is just plain strange and does not fit English grammar. 122.60.65.44 (talk) 02:24, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: But I see the current title used in a lot of cited sources. —&hairsp;BarrelProof (talk) 19:54, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. We don't avoid a name just because it feels awkward to one contributor. The whole point of profanity is to make people feel awkward! But Wikipedia is not censored. Andrewa (talk) 04:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose. "Grass mud horse" is widely used. At most, the Chinese phrase might be worth a redirect. Pashley (talk) 09:37, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Trouble with the censorship section
A lot of what's in here seems dubious. "Many netizens believe" is weasel words, for one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:C481:4640:0:0:0:6DE (talk) 02:13, 18 May 2022 (UTC)