Talk:Graveland

NSBM
This article sort of skirts around the fact that this band is made up of national socialists. It should be made perfectly clear that this partakes in extremist right-wing politics. Wikipedia shouldn't be a forum for right-wing groups to hide their f***edup beliefs. 71.35.114.99 04:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * How is it hiding it? It merely tells the truth, that he has made no direct statements regarding his music but that his essays often include those elements.  You're overreacting.  Also, he's starting to back off direct racism and is now becoming a more pure nationalist.Noktorn 03:32, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I think their neo-nazi sympathetic past should be included in this article, as it's only fair and truthful. No matter how ashamed or proud they might be of it, they were considered a neo-nazi band at one time due to Darken's pro-nazi comments in interviews. I don't consider them anything else than than a pagan black metal band these days, and I like a lot of their albums. --91.152.232.221 (talk) 20:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What I find even more fucked up is the fact that this guy considered himself a "National Socialist" yet he is Polish. I guess when he signed himself up to be a neo-nazi, he forgot the part about the real nazi's killing 2.5 million(non-Jewish) ethnic Poles during WWII. You can't be a proud Pole and a nazi sympathizer at the same time, let alone being a nazi.12.74.24.110 (talk) 06:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Tell this to Hit-fukin-ler who was of jewish ancestry. Satanister666 (talk) 15:17, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Considering the article begins with "Graveland are a Polish National Socialist black metal ..." this would be factually inaccurate since this is no longer the case, it should be edited and elaborated on further in detail within the article itself. At present it is pagan metal, or pagan black metal depending where you draw the line with these blurred stylistic genres, and the article should begin in this manner. 2A02:8084:983C:A380:1192:CD8F:B2F5:AAF7 (talk) 20:28, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The article does get into the NSBM label further on. I think this needs to be mentioned in the lead. Doesn't have to be the initial sentence.--3family6 (Talk to me &#124; See what I have done ) 20:35, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Change in Ideology
I think new interviews should be compared with old to see if his ideology has changed, how much, and to what. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alphaknave (talk • contribs) 03:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the revert by Blackmetalbaz was unjustified; thinking Christianity is a Jewish plan to enslave the white man is a typical conspiracy theory among NSBM people, and the way Rob Darken sees Heathendom is his own interpretation obviously mixed with his racist and anti-semitic views. That is a fact, not my point of view. --132.187.3.26 (talk) 15:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That is totally incorrect... whilst I in fact agree with your POV, it is still POV. The edit was also entirely unnecessary as a) it is clear from the context that the view being represented is the POV of Darken, not fact, and b) barely written in English. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 07:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Merger problem
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