Talk:Gravesend, Brooklyn

Pronunciation
I've always wondered this: what's the correct pronunciation of Gravesend? Is it "Grave Send" or "Grave's End"? Does anybody know? It should probably be included in the article.
 * The latter (with the "s" like a "z") is the only pronounciation I have ever heard. I couldn't definitely say if this is the original way of saying it, though.--Pharos 06:29, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The article says, pronounced "GRAVES end", but that is not a proper pronunciation key. Imagine Reason (talk) 14:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

it has always been graves end, it was the only town founded by British colonist in 1642.Therefore, unlike most dutch influenced names in the borough that have went through anglicizing, this place name remained unchanged. Actually it also is also the first settlement led by a woman in the New World, she was Lady Deborah Moody as well as the only town initially laid out within a grid within Kings County.173.68.37.131 (talk) 15:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Origin of the name
Just out of interest the article only mentions Dutch settlers but the town name is English. Was the town named by English settlers then taken over by the Dutch or vice versa? If the Dutch named it first - did their original name for the town survive? The town would certainly have been named after Gravesend, Kent which was a port where a great many of the first settlers moving to America left from. --LiamE 14:30, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The town was actually founded by English settlers in Dutch New Netherland; they were Anabaptists who had fled religious persecution in New England.  Later, of course, the whole area was taken over by English Crown.--Pharos 19:38, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Well worth adding that to the article I'd say. Thanks for the clarification. --LiamE 20:14, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

From what I have seen this is a change on a name for two towns in dutch

http://www.newsday.com/community/guide/lihistory/ny-history-hs304a,0,5912509.story The inhabited part of the town consisted of four squares of a little more than four acres each, with two main roadways bisecting north-south and east-west (today's McDonald Avenue and Gravesend Neck Road). These squares appear to still exist even after the grid of streets was overlayed onto brooklyn. Each of the four sections had 10 house lots surrounding a one-acre commons. Outside of the village itself were the individual, triangular pieces of 100-acre farms, called boweries, radiating out from the center like spokes from a wheel. Is this possibly why Ave V is the way that it is? (Not parrellel to the other avenues?)


 * Russell Shorto gives the early spelling as "Gravesende", contemporary with Moody, Stuyvesant, and Adriaen van der Donck. Island at the Center of the World, page 262, published 2005. He devotes a long paragraph to Deborah Moody and her flight from the rigid intolerance of the Massachusetts Bay Colony to the religious freedom of Nieuw-Nederland, page 159.


 * I find it odd that this article has the early history divided up into 2 pieces and presented both in the lead and also the "History" section. Is there a plan for this or did the article just grow like Topsy? Thanks for your time, Wordreader (talk) 07:52, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Bensonhurt name change
I heard thet Gravesend separated from Bensonhurt 20 years ago, where should I put this in the article?


 * Gravesend was the name of the town containing what is now Bensonhurst. Also Gravesend is the name of what was the central village of the town. There hasn't been any separation in the last century. -- Cecropia 18:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Bensonhurst was developed on parts of the town of New Utrecht.If you observe any map you will see that the two communities of Gravesend and Bensonhurst do not have continous streets. Gravesend is planned on a grid with the main streets running north to south from the water, whereas Bensonhurst streets run parallel to the curved southwestern coast, an inherently Dutch feature. Originally a suburb of mansions for the well to do named Bensonhurst-by-the-Beach was founded in the 1870's. Named after the wealthy Benson farming family whose land the development was being set on.173.68.37.131 (talk) 16:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Brooklyn2430 and Crime
I am concerned that brooklyn2430's recent edits regarding crime in the Marloboro Houses and along McDonald Avenue are POV, unsourced, and not germane to the section, although I assume good faith and unfamiliarity with Wikipedia. I have reverted once but would like to avoid doing so again so as to avoid edit warring. Brooklyn2430, please feel free to discuss your reasons for the edits here so that we can come to some sort of consensus about what parts of your statements should be included on the page--and where. Dave Golland (talk) 19:26, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Murder Statistic Citations
A user consistently has been adding a murder statistic without citing a source, piggybacking on the existing source (which does not confirm the statistic). I keep reverting but I'm concerned about entering into a revert war here. If others agree (or disagree) that the statistic needs a source, please say so here. Dave Golland (talk) 13:10, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

OK, he/she seems to have figured it out. Dave Golland (talk) 16:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, round two. The user's line of text claims that there have been 10 murders in Gravesend so far in 2010, but there are three serious problems with the reference:
 * 1. The map with the crime statistics is not limited to Gravesend;
 * 2. The listed crimes (as of today, there are 11) are not limited to murders; and
 * 3. There are in fact no murders listed; there are several shootings listed, but no statement that the shootings were fatal.
 * Please get a more accurate source and/or make a more accurate statement.
 * Dave Golland (talk) 15:07, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Did you change the dates on top, the page only shows the month of November into today. you need a free account to see all the crimes from January to now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brooklyn2430 (talk • contribs) 02:12, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll check it out! Dave Golland (talk) 14:50, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm concerned about signing up for an e-mail service to verify a reference. There must be a citation source that's openly available. Consider NYTimes.com, for instance. Thanks for doing this, by the way. Dave Golland (talk) 14:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I will cite another source. Thank you for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brooklyn2430 (talk • contribs) 19:12, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Hudson's landing
Very unlikely, as his first mate's journal w/ coord doesn't really place boat there.Djflem (talk) 21:46, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

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