Talk:Gravity Falls season 2

Disney Channel / Disney XD
Don't you guys think that, as this is a Disney Channel show, putting the air date on Disney XD is a unnecessary? - Artmanha (talk) 15:00, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It is a Disney Channel show so the air dates for Disney XD must be taken off, as well as the viewers from the channel, you cannot put Disney's and XD's viewership together as if it was the same. Lastly, it is missing the production code for this season. Thank you - Artmanha (talk) 14:22, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If there isn't any response on this, I'll remove the dates for Disney XD as well as the channel's viewership. Putting the Disney Channel ones instead (only the ones I find). Thanks Artmanha (talk) 02:45, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As I did a little research, turns out it is okay the way it is, since the viewship is put according to the channel on which it aired first. It is still missing the production code though. Artmanha (talk) 03:10, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * In Canada this airs on Disney XD not the Disney Channel, perhaps it is different in the US. Our version of XD and DC are not the same. I would like to see that reflected on the table. 174.92.135.167 (talk) 19:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Both those (Disney XD (Canada) and Disney Channel (Canada)) are actually Corus using names licensed from Disney but otherwise not related to Disney at all. Just another international outlet and Corus choses where they want to air stuff. This is covered in Gravity Falls Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:10, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Title of Episode 10
Are you saying that the intention of Alex Hirsch, the creator of Gravity Falls is not considered a reliable source for the title of the episode? He hasn't changed the title. Disney decided to call it "Northwest Mansion Noir" for some reason. Anyway, having edit wars over it won't solve anything. nyuszika7h (talk) 15:08, 13 March 2015 (UTC)


 * In the meantime I noticed that someone has settled it by mentioning the confusion more more explicitly. Sounds good enough to me. I'm just going to blame Disney for now. nyuszika7h (talk) 15:12, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * He may be the creator of Gravity Falls but that doesn't mean he owns the show. There are a lot more people involved in the development process than just the creator. Whether or not "Disney decided to call it "Northwest Mansion Noir" for some reason" it only proves my point that episodes names change all the time from when they are written to when they release. Whether it was Alex's call to change it or not isn't the point. I didn't say he isn't a reliable source, but having in mind episodes names change, it could not be much of an updated source. That's what I said and you clearly didn't get it. By the way, in the meantime you notice that someone has settled it by mentioning the confusion more more explicitly, that someone was me. Thanks — Artmanha (talk) 22:19, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Status Rumors
The contested edit about the status of the show really sounds like blatant rumor-mongering and should not be kept, especially since it appears to unnecessarily name-drop so many unrelated topics (i.e., "Cartoon Network," "cartoons unrelated to Disney," etc), and does not appear to be supported from a casual snooping around the official websites. --Mr Fink (talk) 22:58, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Those are just the vandalisms of a sock.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 02:20, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * So revert on sight, then.--Mr Fink (talk) 02:46, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Prod. Code off the episode table
I'm removing the production code from the episode table because it is already sourced in the items above it and there are too many info there, making it messy. Thank you. - Artmanha (talk) 15:52, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Guest Star: J. K. Simmons
J. K. Simmons keeps being listed as a guest star. However, he has officially joined the cast for the rest of the season, so this is unnecessary and misleading. - Superion maximus (talk) 13:45, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This reference used in the Gravity Falls article said joined in recurring role. Any other reference that says time.com is wrong? Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * He's not explicitly credited as a guest star or anything else, he's listed along the rest of the cast ("With the Voice Talents of"). However, he's credited as "Ford", so that's what we should use. nyuszika7h (talk) 18:29, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Character names should match what is displayed in the episode credits. If the desire is to presume main cast is in each episode unless noted as missing and non-main cast listed when when they appear, then Simmons should be listed when he appears as he is recurring not main cast for this season. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

New eps
I'm really confused here. The version of zap2it that I see lists shows up to s02e16 airing on Sept. 7. I put a screenshot on imgur dot com/XrLMA8H Perhaps try doing a hard refresh of the page (ctrl-F5)?  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 03:21, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Does Alex Hirsch's twitter confirm this?--Mr Fink (talk) 22:42, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No, Alex denied this, see this tweet that EvilLair already linked in the edit summary when removing the episodes. nyuszika7h (talk) 11:20, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * In that case, since it came from the horse's mouth, I suppose we can't use that source for a date.--Mr Fink (talk) 14:37, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Disney XD Press just confirmed The Last Mabelcorn and Roadside Attraction. Roadside Attraction airs 9/21 and The Last Mabelcorn airs 9/7. I believe Alex Hirsch was calling the Roadside Attraction date inaccurate, and I think it was just a mistake that caused Zap2it to list Roadside Attraction as airing on 9/7. -  Ev il La ir ( ✉  |  c ) 00:14, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed, it was already confirmed by the programming highlights released earlier, which are referenced in the article. nyuszika7h (talk) 10:13, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Episode table
I added the production codes and removed the Disney Channel premieres because they aren't sourced. Gatordragon (talk) 11:00, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Changes in s2 table conflict with season 1 table - see List of Gravity Falls episodes. Sources of scheduling info are published schedules. Using edit summaries can head off a lot of problems if used to explain major changes. Geraldo Perez (talk) 12:56, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

PLEASE STOP ADDING SECOND AIR DATES!!! They are reruns which aren't important and verifiable. We also need space for production codes and don't remove upcoming episodes! Gatordragon (talk) 00:06, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * We generally don't need references for airdates if they are widely available in published schedules as the assumption is that this can be trivially verified. If such a published schedule does not exist or cannot be found for verification then it is incumbent on the people who want that information to provide a reference for it. All info in Wiki must be verifiable. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:08, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Disney Channel is widely available in published schedules, besides, when those information about it were added they were referenced. The references were just removed once the episodes had already aired on the channel. You can see that by the episode that hasn't been aired on Disney Channel yet and is referenced. — Artmanha (talk) 01:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I assume you are referring to http://affiliate.zap2it.com/tv/gravity-falls/EP01566290?aid=disn, the reference for the Disney Channel airing (Jan 30 airing I checked history). Unfortunately it is transient and it is not possible to verify old data once its time has passed. I generally archive zap2it stuff to cover this problem. Obviously the info you added was verifiable at the time and is correct but the problem is what to do now when its veracity is being challenged. One solution is to just say that Disney Channel is not the current primary airing channel, Disney XD is and treat Disney Channel as just airing reruns. What was the original justification for showing both outlets when one is the primary one. I can't see the value. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's what I was explaining on my Talk Page, the show is still a Disney Channel show, not a Disney XD. But they are sister channels and for some reason, most of the episodes are broadcasted beofre on Disney XD. — Artmanha (talk) 01:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * We only care about the original air date, not reruns or "network premieres". Please cite a source about it being a Disney Channel show, because all sources, even Disney itself consider it as Disney XD. Gatordragon (talk) 01:54, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If Disney says it is an XD series then it is an XD series. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:59, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Futon lists the Disney Channel re-runs for season 2, though it hasn't added that information for more recent episodes (yet). nyuszika7h (talk) 09:47, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh wait, it only has info about Disney XD re-runs of episodes that premiered on Disney Channel. nyuszika7h (talk) 09:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I would suggest listing only the Disney XD air date for episodes that premiered there, and both dates for episodes that premiered on Disney Channel. Since this is only a few episodes, it should just be listed in OriginalAirDate . List the earlier date first, and make sure not to use Start date for the second date. nyuszika7h (talk) 09:52, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with that - having only 1 airdate column with mostly XD info, listing Disney Channel as additional info when it airs there first. More than one start date template per table row breaks things, so only one date gets templated. This appears to be what changed the article to do so I expect agreement there.  should make a statement in this thread and if still supports his tentative agreement on his talk page here about the airdate issue agrees we should have a resolution. ---
 * The production code column issue is being discussed at Talk:Gravity Falls (season 1) and that issue affects both season articles for same reasons. Suggest that comments about this part of the discussion continue there. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree that only one column of airdates is needed.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 17:02, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm on board to being only one column of airdates too. Although further information regarding the network change should be cited on the season article. — Artmanha (talk) 18:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * "More than one start date template per table row breaks things, so only one date gets templated." Yes, that's what I said, though the "not" in my comment might be easily overlooked. nyuszika7h (talk) 19:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

typo
Cipher is spelled incorrectly under episode 15. It was spelled "Chiper".

108.198.147.250 (talk) 21:29, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 00:57, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Fantasy violence
Zap2it reported that "Weirdmageddon Part I" would get the TV-Y7-FV rating, but I checked, and it's only TV-Y7. nyuszika7h (talk) 11:06, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I had to remove this per WP:NOTTVGUIDE & MOS:TV. It's discouraged to mention a single rating system in the lead as rating systems vary from country to country. However, it can be covered later in the article if we have enough information to sustain a separate section. -- Chamith   (talk)  11:15, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see what's wrong with including the American rating for an American TV series, which is also supported by reliable sources. nyuszika7h (talk) 11:23, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * As it says in MOS:TV "Since this is the English-language Wikipedia and not the American Wikipedia, avoid mere identification of ratings issued by American broadcast", and if it's targeted just for American audience then the coverage should include how it's targeted only for that specific audience. There is nothing wrong with adding parental ratings, but, lead is not the place. -- Chamith   (talk)  11:32, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2015
Please add, at the end of the plot of Weirdmageddon Part I, these exact words: Dipper convinces Gideon that if he wants Mabel to like him, Gideon must be the person Mabel wants him to be.

Seelamviraj (talk) 13:50, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Episode tables are supposed to provide a short summary to readers, not scene-by-scene breakdowns. Currently, it addresses key points which the plot revolves around. --   Chamith   (talk)  15:20, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2015
Also, under Episode 17 (Dipper and Mabel vs. the Future), please remove 'In the end, Bill Cipher tricks Mabel, who hands the interdimensional rift over to him. With the help of that, Bill enters the physical world and opens a portal from his own dimension, beginning the end of the world.' as this information may spoil the story for new viewers of the show.

Seelamviraj (talk) 13:55, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please see WP:SPOILER. nyuszika7h (talk) 15:22, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Alternate titles and international air dates
Brought this up at Talk:List of Gravity Falls episodes but it pertains to this season in particular.

Episode 39 on the Canadian version of Disney XD debuted November 28 and was called Xpcveaoqfoxso Part II: Escape From Mabelland

Screenshots of this info at https://imgur.com/F0nLz5Z and https://imgur.com/UtHFpvi

Chamith also said that Northwest Mansion Mystery was also called Northwest Mansion Noir. I was curious about this and looked ahead on my TV schedule and can confirm this as well, even though I see it listed, so I took a another screenshot if anyone needs to see it:

http://imgur.com/RwXTXlk although the website lists Mansion Mystery https://imgur.com/Mxt6Ukk

Given there is equal evidence for both alternate titles I think we should mention both. Even if they decided differently in the US release, the producers sent these titles to the Canadian distributor and this is how we know the names here.

Also wondering, at the start of Little Gift Shop of Horrors before the opening credits, Grunkle Stan calls the three stories he is telling (which we do list the titles of) "TALES DESIGNED TO SELL MY MERCHANDISE" and the phrase even appears on-screen. Shouldn't this qualify as an alternate title? Given that titles are not actually displayed at the start, a lot of people are going to think this is the episode title when coming to look for it.

Listing the "original air date" supplied to Canadian distributors would also be good data to include in a second column. Anyone opposed to that? The debuts in DXD Canada came after the US debuts. Unless we have data for other countries it appears to be the most accessible info for first international broadcast. 174.92.135.167 (talk) 19:38, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * This is an American show being broadcast on an American TV outlet. There is Gravity Falls section that describes the Canadian, British, Irish, Australian and New Zealand as well as non-English counties broadcasts. Canada is not special over the other English language outlets and that includes info on the non-US airdates. If an alternate title for a particular episode is common in the other English outlets and we have proof from a verifiable reliable source that can be included in the RAltTitle attribute, the alternate title could be justified and listed in the AltTitle attribute for that episode. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Gravity Falls series final
Well done! Your recent changes have helped improving the article to Wiki's standards. I know the MOS:CT states the the should not be capitalized, although I think we should keep our eyes on it, cus when I first read the title, I understood the The as the specification of "The Falls", meaning a specific Falls, not a generalized term (as any Falls) as clarified on MOS:THECAPS. Do you know what I mean? But I think we'll only be able to tell the difference once the episode airs. Thanks — Artmanha (talk) 23:09, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I think 'the' should be lowercase. Examples in linked article seem to need lots of common usage to support initial caps. For fun read discussion at this RfC about The Beatles about how 'that' should be capitalized. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:42, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

I see... Let's leave it then. I just wanted to make sure for future references. Thanks — Artmanha (talk) 01:58, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Between the Pines
This is airing at 8pm EST tonight on DXD Canada, I don't get the channel anymore but still get upcoming announcements. Shouldn't we list it as some kind of episode 39.5/s2e19.5 between parts 2 and 3 of Weirdmageddon?

Seems that Take Back the Falls is getting a Canadian simulcast here, is on at 7pm EST on DXD Canada on February 15. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 20:50, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Update: see the following cite:

I think this means we ought to list Between the Pines as episode 25.

Which of course begs the question of what exactly episodes 21-24 are... :)

Added this to the table, if anyone has any feedback about it. A numerical gap isn't the most unusual thing in the world, that's currently the case with Supergirl since they announced episode 18's title and premise ahead of time before detailing eps 15-17.

My best guess is that since part 3 of Weirdmageddon is rumored to be longer than a 1/2 hour that it will be counted as multiple slots or something.

20/21/22/23/24 perhaps means it's 5x as long as a normal episode? That or maybe there's some other specials like Between the Pines who have vouched for the numbers.

Disney XD (Canada) is consistently doing this, both via Rogers (the above reference archived) and via Bell (my service, here's a manual archive) since this is the closest thing we have to a number assigned to Between the Pines, we ought to use it. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 05:24, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

you have twice removed a reliable source from the page, and erased an entry about a season 2 episode. You lecture me to discuss it on the talk page, which is exactly what I've done. Where's your talk page discussion?

You declared "you mentioned WP:OR content in your edit summary". What are you referring to? It seems like you're the one engaging on OR. You assert "your source is unreliable as it only represents Canada". Do you have a source to back up that conclusion?

Disney XD (Canada) is simply a local outlet of Disney XD, it represents Disney XD as a whole and Disney as a whole.

On what basis are you dismissing the validity of an official distributor of Gravity Falls who receives their data directly from the makers?

You are dismissing this on a fraudulent basis, please restore the content to the page or at least avoid taking it down again. I hope you don't revert it a third time.

If you object to it on a personal basis, please use Template:Unreliable source? and fill in an explanation of the reason why you have doubts. You really can't get much more reliable than direct episodic descriptions from multiple Disney XD distributors.

Dismissing this just because of the country I'm in is prejudiced. Unless you can show it has a different numerical designation on some other on-demand service, I do not see the basis for excluding it.

The fact is: even if only here, it is notably being included as part of season 2, and is even given a number in it. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 05:37, 14 February 2016 (UTC)


 * You want a response? This is my one and only response and if you ping me again, I will ignore.


 * 1) "Dismissing this just because of the country I'm in is prejudiced." I am from Canada as well. I hail from Montreal, Quebec and have access to on-demand shows and so on. To say that I am dismissing you because of where you live and claim that I am acting in a prejudice matter is very wrong because it is not true.
 * 2) "You declared "you mentioned WP:OR content in your edit summary". What are you referring to? It seems like you're the one engaging on OR." I would suggest you clearly read WP:OR again. "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist. This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented." In this edit summary, you engaged in OR content by taking a picture to prove nonsense.
 * 3) I refuted the source because it only represents Canada. Secondly, on demand episodes are not notable to mention as a source because the dates are specifically reserved for episode air dates only. Per Template:Episode list, "This is the date the episode first aired on TV, or is scheduled to air."
 * 4) I am serioulsy starting to question you after this. That "LOL" was unnecessary and bordering to incivility. Also, in this edit summary, you seem to express competence issues. I am not mad that it aired first in Canada. In fact, I don't care. I only abide by Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Callmemirela  🍁  &#123;Talk&#125;   &#9809;  05:54, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

If you want to re-add the episode number, please provide a more reliable source than a TV guide about which we do not know exactly where they get their information from. It's probably (indirectly) from Disney, but that doesn't make it infallible, mistakes happen. And 25 looks clearly like a placeholder number to me, as they had to give it number, but it does not make sense to put it after the finale since it aired before, and neither does it make sense to skip episode numbers. nyuszika7h (talk) 11:13, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) Being from Canada doesn't mean you can't discriminate against Canada. You singled out the country in your summary that's why I brought it up.
 * 2) I included the reliable source from rogers. Adding accessory emphasis in an edit summary is not OR since I didn't actually include that in the article itself. I can't find a way to archive Bell's display so screenshotting is the only way to demonstrate it. It isn't synthesis simply to create an archive of something which already exists though.
 * 3) again your unsourced claim it only represents Canada is original research. Should we discount any US source because "it only represents America"?
 * 4) I apologize if you took that as uncivil, I just find it absurd when people give TheFutonCritic too much credit. They do their best but they're not a trump card which erases all other sources.
 * Rogers is not a "TV guide", it's a Disney XD distributor, they get their information from Disney, who do you think sells them the rights to broadcast the show? No source is infallible and mistakes do happen, sure, but that is more the case with FutonCritic often not reporting earlier air dates they aren't aware of yet because it happened outside their locale. I'm okay with listing it before the finale but think we should include a number even if the possibility of it being a placeholder exists. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 13:21, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I did not see the Rogers source. That is probably a reliable source for Canada, but it's a U.S. TV series, so we list the U.S. air date. It's not discrimination. The Canadian air date can be mentioned in a footnote (efn) and/or in the Broadcast section. As for the episode number, I still believe it's just a placeholder, but I'll ask other editors to comment. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:56, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You appear to be making up policy. The Template:Episode list instructions for the OriginalAirDate field are to list the first time it aired, not the first time it aired in the country it was produced in.
 * Normally there is not a difference since countries tend to debut in their country of origin, but that is not always the case.
 * If an episode first airs in a country other than the one it is produced in, that is the "start date", that is the "original air date".
 * Ugly as it might look to you, this does demote its debut in its country of origin to a secondary date. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 05:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * What Corus Entertainment chooses to do with the shows they buy from Disney and broadcasts on one of their Canadian outlets Disney XD (Canada) whose only connection to Disney is that they licensed the name from Disney belongs in the broadcast section only. Corus choses the broadcast order, the episode number, for their purposes in Canada and in no way reflects on what Disney may or may not do in the U.S. This article's episode list documents the broadcast info on the main outlet of the show's country of origin. Between the Pines is appropriately described in List of Gravity Falls episodes. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:23, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Why should this article not also document broadcast info of other outlets? Particularly when we are utterly lacking a field such as an episode number for that work? I don't think it is appropriate to give this episode its own section on the master list, it is distinctly included as an episode in the 2nd season by a reliable source. Until we are told different we should go with what we're told. Do what sources tell you until contradicted. You not wanting it to be included in the second season doesn't mean it isn't. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 05:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Because episodes air in multiple foreign countries and Canada is not special over UK, Australia, New Zealand so gets treated the same as they do. The U.S. is the country of origin and that is what is the primary documentation for the articles. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:12, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * We are a wiki for all English-speaking nations not just the United States. Where is policy supporting that we should only include data pertaining to country of origin? I don't mind using the U.S. numbering as the primary numbering but if different distributors are assigning different episode numbers we should reflect this on the page, so please do not erase the reliably sourced information. I am not opposed to listing different numbers provided by UK/Australia/NZ either, so long as it is reliably sourced. I am just not familiar with their distributors so I can't do that for them. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 15:27, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * See WP:TVINTL. Noteworthy well-sourced info from other countries should be included in the "Broadcast" section of the series (or season, if exists, like in this case) article. nyuszika7h (talk) 22:23, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Weirdmageddon 3: Take Back the Falls synopsis
I'm a bit confused as to how to edit the synopses of episodes, so I've got the official synopsis for the aforementioned (in the title) episode and its source:. Source: http://www.disneyabcpress.com/disneyxd/shows/gravity-falls/episodes/weirdmageddon-3-take-back-the-falls/ Seelamviraj (talk) 01:57, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a WP:COPYVIO in the first place so can't be used. Also the episode has aired. Watch it and write a summary of what happened in the episode. We don't want a marketing teaser. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:14, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The synopsis has already been added, but thank you anyways. Seelamviraj (talk) 12:51, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

alternate numbering
reverted the addition of reliably sourced information showing some different season-respect episode numbering under which episodes have been distributed, claiming "episode number is just a pure sequential number of episodes aired on the primary outlet."

I do not believe the description on Template:episode list mentions any such particulars about a primary outlet. EpisodeNumber is "episode number is just a pure sequential number of episodes aired on the primary outlet." and EpisodeNumber2 is "A second episode number column. Useful for when a series aired in a different order, or only included certain episodes".

In this case, a distributor is assigning different numbers. I superscripted them so they wouldn't detract too much from the look but they should be communicated.

If you're going to remove them from that column you should retain the data somewhere else, either in the ShortSummary or by creating an auxiliary column. You should not simply remove reliably sourced information. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 15:15, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


 * We don't care about anything other than the primary U.S. outlet on the list of episodes table. If you want to document foreign broadcast info, put it in the broadcast section. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:17, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

what you personally care about does not dictate Wikipedia. You keep using the phrase "primary outlet" so I'm wondering if you could make WP:PRIMARYOUTLET into a shortcut toward whatever policy backs up your stance on this. I'm going to continue adding reliably sourced information until I understand where policy says it shouldn't be included because your only care about U.S. data for this show. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 15:23, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't screw up the episode table. A television season is an artifact of the network, not the production and this article documents what is airing on Disney in the U.S. If you think an article documenting what Corus considers a season and shows in Canada is notable, propose and create one. Also note the content of this article's lead which describes what is in this article and the tags on the key info displayed in the inbox release section "Original network" and "Original release" pretty much show the target of this article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:38, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Mentioning in a very small font another number an episode is called doesn't screw up the table. Where are you getting this network artifact stuff? It's "Gravity Falls (season 2)" not "Gravity Falls (United States Disney XD season 2)". The article's lead only mentions it's American animated and the dates that that it premiered on Disney Channel and Disney XD, not sure what you're getting at. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 15:42, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

In line with your suggestion I've experimented with relocating the alternate numbering from the table column to the broadcast section. I don't much like it since it's inefficient to repeat titles like that but if it helps end the dispute it's fine I guess. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 16:01, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


 * See WP:Scope which basically determines what should or shouldn't go in an article. Changing scope requires a strong concensus. We generally encourage a Broadcast section to document all notable foreign broadcast info in TV series articles. That is the expected and standard location for foreign broadcast info. The rest of the article is documenting what Disney broadcast in the first run on the original network. Foreign broadcast info, no matter how presented, does not belong in the table. Just to reiterate, Canada is not the only country outside the U.S. where this show is aired. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:34, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

To reiterate: I don't think I ever claimed Canada is the only country outside the US where it airs. I'm okay with any English-language release info being put there. I can understand eventually if that did happen and there was a lot of conflicting data it could possibly get overwhelming, but that's only hypothetical. For all we know other countries don't have alternate numbering or titles, or use the same numbering or titles that Canada does, which would not create any additional space in the table.

So long as it gets reflected in the Broadcast section I guess that's okay though. In interest of not cluttering up the source of Broadcast though, in cases where the data is identical between US and Canada I don't see the harm in letting it stay in the RTitle section if it's empty. That helps to show that even in nations where titles are sometimes altered, that this one has stayed constant. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 17:21, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Broadcast section is fine per WP:TVINTL and that is the exclusive place for that info. Whether or not the specific info added is notable for inclusion in this article is another discussion. Inclusion of foreign broadcast info outside the broadcast section should not be done. It is redundant with info in the broadcast section. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:15, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Same issue at Gravity Falls (season 1), redirected discussion to here. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:15, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't think airing more closely based on production codes is notable enough. Disney does that for most shows in Hungary and probably some other countries. That would require adding this to pretty much every series article, which would just lead to clutter. Also, per WP:TVINTL, the Broadcast section should include info about the original network/country too. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:11, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Weird 3 and Soul Eater anime
Soos' having much to discuss with Old Man McGucket about anime just prior to what McGucket ended up building makes me wonder if episode 47 nearing the conclusion of SE was discussed in some part. I don't suppose it would be proper adding any comparisons to the article unless some reliable sources mention the similarity as a notable one, would it? 184.145.18.50 (talk) 18:52, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * That is irrelevant and unnotable. Please move on. Callmemirela  🍁  &#123;Talk&#125;   &#9809;  21:18, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Weirdmageddon 4: Somewhere in the Woods
If future TV listings are of any concern, it appears that future airings of the series finale may be treated as four separate episodes for the purposes of rerunning the series. The second half of the finale appears to be labeled "Weirdmageddon 4: Somewhere in the Woods". I'm wondering how that could be addressed here: split the listing of Weirdmageddon 3 into two and have a note addressing how the finale originally aired or keep it as is and have a note explaining why viewers may occasionally see Weirdmageddon 4 when checking their television guide? --UBracter (talk) 05:30, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * We usually go by the way the episode was first aired on its original network. If it aired with one set of credits, it's one episode. Networks often repackage episodes into two parts (or the other way around) for re-runs and syndication. On Zap2it, strangely, it seems to be listed under Gravity Falls Shorts: . – nyuszika7h (talk) 11:23, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Finale production codes
There is conflicting information about the production code(s) for "Weirdmageddon 3: Take Back The Falls".


 * Copyright Office : 2-22 "Weirdmageddon 4: Somewhere in the Woods" (no listing for the first part)
 * The Futon Critic : 220/221 "Weirdmageddon 3: Take Back The Falls"
 * Disney XD Press : 221 "Weirdmageddon 3: Take Back The Falls"
 * Alex Hirsch's tweet : 618G-221 "Weirdmageddon 3"

Futon is the only outlier listing 220, so I'm guessing 221 and 222 are likely the correct production codes, but that might be WP:SYNTH, so it might be best to change it to TBA for now and hope the copyright office updates. And then if it's 221/222, there is the mystery of what happened to 220. nyuszika7h (talk) 16:02, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

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