Talk:Gray mouse lemur/GA1

GA Review
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OK, so it hasn't got a ruff, but I'm broad-minded. Comments to follow soon  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  07:17, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Images have appropriate licenses, but two captions include the article name, contra MoS. Although I'm not sure that it's mandatory at GAN, I would also have alt_caption = for the taxobox image and alt= for the others to improve accessibility
 * This should be done. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Lead
 * I'd be inclined to move the largest mouse lemur so it reads something like the Gray Mouse Lemur is the largest mouse lemur, although it is smaller than the world's smallest monkey, the Pygmy Marmoset... so the size comments are all in one place
 * I have done my best. Please review. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Weighing between.. then the Pygmy Marmoset, which weighs between  any way of rephrasing to avoid the repeat?
 * Also done. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Its diet primarily consists of fruit, insects, flowers, and nectar. better I think as Its diet consists primarily of fruit, insects, flowers, and nectar.
 * Done. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * and two young are typically born as opposed to doing what? and typically two young are born
 * LOL! Good point. Fixed. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The offspring... spell out numbers less than ten, can reproduce would be more accurate than  reproduction starts
 * Done. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ...abundant under the right conditions. It is considered one of Madagascar's most abundant small native mammals. can these be rolled together to avoid repeating "abundant"
 * Done, I think. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Taxonomy This is quite a short section, so I would be inclined to note the ISP comment on your talk page, and say who discovered it and where he (Miller) published the discovery (the taxobox doesn't seem to have a ref for that). Do we know what the relationships are within the genus or what this species' closest relative is?
 * Added information about closest relations and a general note about its discovery. I do not have access to the offline copy of the taxonomy authority used by WikiProject Mammals, and a search of the online references (following the link at the bottom) was fruitless. It sounds like the guy was an illustrator, but all I have to go off of is our taxonomy authority. As for the ref in the taxobox, WikiProject Primates appears to favor putting the reference on the common name at the top. Another example is Ring-tailed Lemur. In regards to the short section and being "inclined to note the ISP comment" on my talk page... I'm sorry, but I've had too little sleep over the last few days to follow.  Please clarrify, either here or on my talk page. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Anatomy
 * and large, membranous ears that protrude noticeably. It has large eyes and tapetum lucidum to enhance its vision at night. perhaps and large, membranous, protruding ears? either a tapetum lucidum or make it plural (whatever the plural may be!)
 * Done. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * any reason why the length ranges are linked by dashes, but the weight ranges by "and"?
 * Don't remember, honestly. Removed dashes from entire document, but please review if possible. Otherwise, fixed. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ecology
 * For this reason, the Gray Mouse Lemur tends to prefer lower levels of the forest and the understory, where branches and vegetation are dense. Why for this reason? branches are thicker lower down. The preference for a lower level seems to be driven by the density of the vegetation, not because the branches are thinner lower down.
 * Good point. Fixed. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * omnivorous, specializing in fruit and insects How "omnivorous" and "specialising"? and a diet of fruit and insects (and nectar) doesn't strike me as very specialised)
 * Fixed. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Predation I've tweaked, but no comments
 * Behavior
 * The Gray Mouse Lemur is nocturnal, sleeping in tree holes lined with ... during the day. Does this mean they build the nests during the day, or should it be The Gray Mouse Lemur is nocturnal, sleeping during the day in tree holes lined with ... .
 * Fixed. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * All mouse lemurs are agile... paragraph starts in plural, rest is singular
 * Fixed, I think. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I've been making some small edits as I go, so you might want to check the history to see if you're happy. More to follow  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  08:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Copyedit looks wonderful! Thank you for taking the time to do that and leave this review. I am very busy today (until after midnight) and all morning tomorrow.  I promise to address all of these issues tomorrow afternoon/evening.  Again, I can't thank you enough! –Visionholder (talk) 17:28, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem, continuing  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * alt text I've amended the taxobox alt text; remember that an unsighted person won't have read the description yet, please check
 * Looks good. Thanks for the correction and tip. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Social systems Does "natal" need a link - not all readers will know this word?
 * I made a red link to natal group. It's a term used in primatology that either needs a new article or needs to find a home within an existing article. See Primate Factsheets Glossary  –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Communication I've removed surplus "howevers", a "more" without a comparison etc.  broadband frequency modulated syllables might benefit from some wikilinking.
 * Honestly, you're the bird person. I've tried to find an appropriate page to link to, but I'm worried I'll miss a more appropriate page than modulation. I'm guessing since bird song deals with this, someone's created a page that I'm missing. If not, should I red-link it?  –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Breeding and reproduction
 * Does dominance hierarchies need a link? also plasma testosterone
 * Dominance hierarchies and testosterone linked. The "plasma" part is a quote from the text.  I don't know what "plasma testosterone" is, honestly. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The plasma testosterone level is the concentration of testosterone in the blood plasma, usually given as nanograms per milliliter. -- Torben Schink (talk) 10:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * carried in the mother's mouth literally?
 * Yes, literally. Small, nocturnal, prosimian primates do this (like dogs and cats), and it is believed that the ancestral primate did it, too. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Conservation status The Gray Mouse Lemur is listed in Appendix 1 of CITES what is the significance of this listing?
 * Clarrified. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * References Groves, C. (2005-11-16).  Unusual formatting, (2005) is normal even if the actual pub date is known. Those damned US dates tie me in knots anyway (: - today is 28-7-2009!
 * I'm sorry, but this is a standardized reference used by WikiProject Mammals. I agree with you, but to change it, it needs to be taken up with them since it will affect many pages. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, this date format is distracting, do WP:MAM really use this format as standard? Jack (talk) 00:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point. I looked, and I assumed the template was the standard.  It's used by WP:PRIMATE, but I couldn't see a reason why the date shouldn't be changed to just the year.  I made the change, so we'll see if it gets reverted.  If we need to, we'll discuss it on the template talk page or the WP:Primates page. –Visionholder (talk) 06:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

this is the full set of my edits, plus your alt text. This is a nice article, and I assume you will at least think about FAC. Once we have finished here, it would probably benefit from a third-party ce to polish any rough edges we have both missed before FAC  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  07:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC). No rush as far as I'm concerned  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  07:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for all the work on this. Yes, I plan to take every lemur article I write to FA. The only difficulty will be articles like Collared Brown Lemur, where little information about the specific species is available, making it hard to distinguish the article from other brown lemurs.  Anyway, something to be discussed on my talk page. When you have time, please look over the changes and let me know if more needs to be done. –Visionholder (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

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 * Just given the references a close examination and hopefully all are now consistent and follow WP:PRIM style. Jack (talk) 00:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Jack - OK, let's do it!  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail: