Talk:Great Marlborough Street/GA1

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Reviewer: Kees08 (talk · contribs) 19:51, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

This sentence could use some commas: It runs east of Regent Street past Carnaby Street towards Noel Street.
 * I disagree, what I have found (eg: Talk:Mersea Island/GA1, American English prefers them, while British English doesn't. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:59, 30 January 2017 (UTC) This just makes me want to dump crates of tea in a river. Kees08 (talk) 03:16, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Breakup this sentence into multiple sentences: The land was subsequently owned by local brewer Thomas Wilson, and inherited by his son, Richard, in 1622 who sold it to William Maddox, who called the estate Millfield.
 * Done Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

From: In 1670, Maddox's son, Benjamin, let the land to James Kendrick for 72 years, who in turn sub-let what is now Great Marlborough Street to John Steele.

To: In 1670, Maddox's son Benjamin let the land to James Kendrick for 72 years, who in turn sub-let what is now Great Marlborough Street to John Steele.
 * Those two sentences appear to be identical. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should do that better. There is a comma difference. Kees08 (talk) 03:14, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think a comma is advisable there in British English. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:40, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

From: Out of one hundred peers summoned before the King in 1716, five lived in Great Marlborough Street, including Richard Lumley, 1st Earl of Scarbrough at No. 12.

To: Out of one hundred peers summoned before the King in 1716, five lived on Great Marlborough Street, including Richard Lumley, 1st Earl of Scarbrough at No. 12.
 * Those two sentences appear to be identical. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
 * In changed to on. Kees08 (talk) 03:14, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that's correct in British English - none of the peers physically lived on the road surface itself. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:40, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

On the note of that sentence, I don't know what at No. 12 means, you may want to expand on that. I am obviously no proper Brit.
 * It is short for "number" cf: "Number 10" as a colloquialism for 10 Downing Street. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I have never seen this date formatting before..is it correct?: During the 19th century, various professionals such as architects and scientists were living in Great Marlborough Street. Thomas Hardwick lived here between 1815–25, as did Charles Darwin between 1837–8
 * I don't see an issue with it - I think as long as people understand it shouldn't be too much of a problem <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

What year is 'now' for this conversion?: The building cost £5,100 (now £496,810)..
 * As I type this, it's 2017, because is self-adjusting. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

From: The London College of Music were based

To: The London College of Music was based
 * No, that's American English, this article uses British English. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Is this how you spell stories?: Although it is one of the few 18th century buildings to survive, significant alterations have taken place, including being extended to cover four storeys.
 * Yes, the singular of stories is story. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

This sentence has a couple of errors and just needs rewritten in general: The street inspired the name of one of Philip Morris's most famous brands,[10] Marlboro (launched in 1924, but originally sold as Marlborough from 1885),[11] because one of their original cigarettes factory used to be located on the street from 1881 onwards.[12]
 * Rewritten <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Highways recommends an infobox, you should add one if you do not object to one.
 * After Talk:Catherine Zeta-Jones/Archive 1 and Talk:Noël_Coward/Archive 2 whenever an argument about an infobox appears, I go and hide in a cupboard until it goes away again. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Is there a particular reason only this store was chosen for the lead?: The department store Liberty is on the corner of Great Marlborough Street with Regent Street and sports a Mock Tudor facade.
 * It's the best known and covers the majority of ground on the street. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Editorialized: but miraculously was only fined £205 (now £2,236).
 * Well, I seem to recall Richards was worried he'd be thrown in the slammer ... but fixed. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Expand the lead to include information on the 19th century.
 * I don't understand, both the Magistrate Court and Liberty's are 19th century institutions. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I am not sure of the second citation, the one of the London Bus Map. Great Marlborough Street isn't even on the map. If it was on the map, but didn't have a bus stop shown, it would be fine, but I don't think it is fine when it is not on the map at all.
 * A general convention I've put for London street articles is to add tube and bus details where appropriate. In my view, the map does verify the claim that no buses run along it; if they did, they would see the street <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I thought you did not have to cite 'negatives,' therefore it wouldn't need a citation? Kees08 (talk) 03:14, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I think it's a matter of taste. It's not a particularly bold or extraordinary claim to say "no buses run along Great Marlborough Street" as technically you can "verify" this by standing on the street and seeing if any buses turn up it, which they won't :-) <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:40, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

The London College of Beauty citation does not verify any claims.
 * Fixed <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Cite that the British De Dion Co was one of the largest car manufacturers in the world.
 * Fixed <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Should there be a map of this? I do not review road articles often.
 * Some London street articles such as Park Lane have a map, but I tried it with this one and it was to short to stand out properly on any of the standard map templates. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:40, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Reading through the sources, there appeared to be a lot more information available on the history of the street. Do you think it is worthwhile to expand the article more?
 * I don't see why not - I've dropped in a lot more notable people who lived on the street from that source. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

What is this?: It was Grade II* listed in 1972.
 * It's a type of listed building classification (which decrease from Grade I, Grade II* then Grade II). If you buy one, expect grief and hassle and a hole in your bank balance because their upkeep is an utter pain in the neck (personal opinion of course). Linked to Listed buildings in the United Kingdom. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

For the second paragraph of the history section, there is a quote on what someone thought of the street. The survey of London source has several good quotes to choose from, ranging from neutral to positive to partially negative. I'd recommend including a balance of them.
 * I'm struggling to find something suitable - can you point to some good examples? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:40, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe I am misreading this, but I read it as a slightly negative review: "'Great Marlborough-Street is esteemed one of the finest in Europe; but I think it can have this character on no other account but its length and breadth; the buildings on each side being trifling and inconsiderable, and the vista ended neither way with any thing great or extraordinary"
 * That is the only one I see, I thought I saw more before but I suppose that was it. Kees08 (talk) 16:26, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've dropped that in. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:14, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter to me at all, but I like this Liberty photo better. Your call on which to use: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Liberty,_Great_Marlborough_Street._-_geograph.org.uk_-_604105.jpg
 * I think that one looks better, so I've swapped it.

I think I've addressed all the above points now, is there anything else? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:40, 2 February 2017 (UTC) Just the last point we are talking about and we'll be all good. Kees08 (talk) 16:27, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I think everything's been covered now, can you have a final look (and then I'll go and look at the other review....) <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:14, 3 February 2017 (UTC)