Talk:Great Neck, New York

Areas of contention
Looks like there's a slow-motion edit-war underway here.

We may have to resort to Resolving_disputes

In particular, I'm noting edits from one or many anonymous contributors posting that
 * 1) ) Orthodox jews have exerted a negative influence since the '90s
 * 2) ) Persians don't care as much as Asians or Ashkenazis about the public schools.

These are volatile subjects. Both of these positions are worthy of discussion, and are (in theory) defensible without descending into name-calling. The question at hand, however, is whether they can be supported as FACT. Bring primary sources. Only then can we have an even playing field for rational discourse.

I recommend that everybody take a breath and re-read Neutral_point_of_view, and Cite_sources\

--Vonfraginoff 23:32, 4 September 2005 (UTC)


 * 1) ) The second paragraph of the history section is terribly written, and virtually unreadable, could someone please rewrite.
 * 2) ) "Great Neck residents, typically well-educated, are concerned about education"... with a citation from a two-page Great Neck School District blurb brochure? What kind of an unsupported generalization is that?  This is a Wikipedia article, not a realtor's pitch, right?

History and Iranian Jews
It was previously mentioned in this article that "an influx of affluent Iranian Jews who were expelled from their country following the 1979 Islamic Revolution settled in Great Neck"

However Iranian Jews that settled in Great Neck were not necessarily expelled from Iran, the majority chose to leave the country and settled in various part of the U.S. I changed expel to left, I should mention there are over 30,000 Jews still living in Iran and there is no discrimination against them, in fact contarary to popular belief, despite Iranian government's the anti-Israeli stance, they greatly support and respect the Jewish Iranian population.

Jeez
My recent edit... maybe i should have read the discussions here first. Eh i think mine is harmless and informative but hey, you never know.70.111.60.32 03:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Discussion of Proposed Split
The current article attempts to simultaneously describe "Great Neck" as the term is commonly used locally—that is, the nine villages and adjacent unincorporated areas—and the Village of Great Neck on its own. This is confusing. Some information in the article refers to the entirety of Great Neck, some only to the Village of Great Neck. The article does attempt to use the term "larger Great Neck" to distinguish between the two, but this is only partially successful. By the way, I don't remember ever hearing or reading the term "larger Great Neck" when I grew up there or on recent stays there. I first read it in Wikipedia. Locals, local media, physical signage, local government and the U.S. Postal Service use "Great Neck" to mean all of Great Neck, and "Village of Great Neck", "the Village", "the old Village", or "VGN" if they want to specifically reference the Village of Great Neck. Someone has asked for justification of the common usage, and that is only relevant to an article on the common usage, not one on the Village.

Unfortunately (for these purposes), there is no unified political or legal definition for Great Neck as a whole. It is defined by the union of many government districts and corporations. While most of its borders are well-defined, there may be some contention over its eastern border south of the Long Island Railroad (LIRR). Furthermore, the U.S. Census does not recognize all of Great Neck as a community. There is no census information for Great Neck as a whole and one can't even easily derive this information, because the census aggregates part of Great Neck (the area near and including Great Neck Manor) into the data for Manhasset.

Thus "automatic" computer programs and database searches often return information about the census-designated place (an area only including the Village of Great Neck and some small parts of nearby areas) when searching for "Great Neck, NY". For example a search on http://maps.google.com/ yields a centroid at the intersection of Fairview Avenue and Middle Neck Road (i.e., in front of the Village School). This is a very good result for the Village of Great Neck, but not for Great Neck as a whole. I'd suggest the centroid for Great Neck as a whole be located on the Middle Neck Road bridge over the LIRR platforms.

Since Wikipedia is not a completely automatic computer program, in the sense that most pages are authored by humans, it can do better. I suggest splitting the Village of Great Neck information into a separate article (parallel to the articles about the other eight villages and census-designated places) and focusing the current article on Great Neck as a whole. There might be an additional disambiguation article distinguishing the four definitions of Great Neck: common usage; topographical (the peninsula); census-designated place; and Village of Great Neck. The census-designated place and the Village could be described in one article, much as the other villages and the census-designated places that approximate their borders are described in one article for each pair.

I'm willing to take a first crack at this—when I have time—if others agree this is a good idea. —Bingoeleven (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Problem is, neither VGN or any of the other constituent incorporated villages or unincorporated hamlets are interesting enough for more than a stub. Well, Great Neck Plaza, containing much of the commercial area, maybe rates a paragraph or two.  GN exists economically as a business district centered on a railroad station and surrounded by residential districts, some of them incorporated legally, but it has no legal existence.  The entity most closely resembling a political GN is the school district.  I figure a split would be unproductive.  Jim.henderson (talk) 02:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Reviewing the article again, I notice that pretty much all specific VGN information is Census, divided into two sections, one small and one medium sized. All historical and most other information makes little distinction among the various villages and hamlets.  So, perhaps the best path is to merge the two VGN sections into one section to be called "Village of Great Neck" rather than attempt to untangle all the notable people, history, and other information from the Greater Greatneck information now provided in list or narrative form.  Of course, if someone later adds much more information about the small subcommunities, the question can be revisited. Jim.henderson (talk) 04:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * So, I have studied the matter yet again, including the various existing village and hamlet articles (odd that they were not linked here) and reversed myself. The present article should stand as being about Great Greatneck, and a new one made for the mostly census information that we have about VGN.  "The Old Village" seems entirely too informal be be part of the name, and I propose Village of Great Neck, New York unless someone has a better idea.  A peninsular article still strikes me as unnecessarily; for one thing, where would we draw the line?  It's difficult enough for large famous places like Red Hook, Brooklyn and Malay Peninsula to decide where the base of a peninsula is, though in those cases a decision or at least a discussion is needed while here we can avoid the issue.  Jim.henderson (talk) 05:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems similar cases, for example Hempstead and Babylon (village), New York, were settled with parentheses. The similarity is not exact, since here in GN the larger unit by that name is not formally recognized despite being ingrained in local culture, but the match looks close enough to be taken as precedent.  Just leave the informal GN without parenthetical qualification for the present article covering history etc.  Jim.henderson (talk) 03:36, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Its a tough case, as a resident i commonly refer to several villages as 'Great Neck' even thought they might be hamlets or other villages. MrMacMan  Talk  02:39, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I concur with the original proposal. Keep this article about peninsular Great Neck, and split out the VGN stuff.  By the way,  A map of the peninsula with the villages etc shown would be welcome.  -- Vonfraginoff (talk) 12:16, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

West Egg/ East Egg
The article now contradicts itself on the subject of which is west egg and which is east. The Sands Point article seems to believe that west=great neck and East=Sands point, which if true means that any reference to Little neck in this regard is spurious.

If someone could find an actual reference to settle this, and clean up the contradiction, that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.185.234 (talk) 10:08, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, the reference to seeing the green light in the book at Stepping Stone Park is incorrect, since the green light at the end of Daisy's dock would have been somewhere on Sands Point, not anywhere in Great Neck (let alone on the northwestern shore of that peninsula).38.104.164.202 (talk) 14:56, 8 October 2014 (UTC)Random user.

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Population numbers?
The population given in the info summary is that of the Village of Great Neck, not "the larger Great Neck area comprises a residential community of some 40,000 people in nine villages and hamlets in the town of North Hempstead, of which Great Neck is the northwestern quadrant." That sentence is also somewhat confusing, possibly implying 40k is the population of North Hempstead since the info bar lists Great Neck as having a population of ~10k. 2001:A61:3A32:6901:1124:E64E:F43C:8453 (talk) 17:20, 20 October 2022 (UTC)