Talk:Great Officers of State

Ceremonial status
Hmm...I'm not sure if you can say that Lord High Steward, Lord Great Chamberlain, and Earl Marshal were *always* ceremonial offices. Certainly the Lord High Steward at one time had power, as for instance when it was held by John of Gaunt at the beginning of the reign of Richard II. I'm not quite so sure about the other two (although certainly the Marshal had power in the time of William Marshal)... john 00:45, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Scottish Officers
Is there anyone who knows about the Scottish Officers?


 * Very little. I know that the Earl of Erroll is hereditary Lord High Constable of Scotland.  That's about the extent of my knowledge.  Are there any other Scottish great officers about? john 22:28, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Are the Scottish Officers in order? I was under the impression the Lord Lyon was higher up in precedence. In addition, the Lord Clerk Register is held (I think) by the Earl of Wemyss and March. Is this an office held by virtue of the peerage or is it held separately?

Am I missing something? Were Prince Rupert of the Rhine and Prince George of Denmark really Great Officers of State? Because they are linked to Category:Great Officers of State, and i haven't found any evidence that they were really Great Officers of State... ugen64 22:24, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)


 * Just saw this, but they were both Lord High Admiral. john k 20:08, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

attained/attainted
Several places in the article it is said that so-and-so was "attained." I believe that should be "attainted". But I'm new to this whole Wikipedia thing, so I will do no more than make the suggestion.


 * Thanks! I've fixed them now, but feel free to be bold! Proteus (Talk) 18:14, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ireland?
Some information on the Great Officers of Ireland might be relevant as well? john k 00:49, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Fox-Davies records the "Hereditary Marshal of Ireland (an office for long past in abeyance)" and "Hereditary Lord Great Seneschal of Ireland (the Earl of Shrewsbury)". The grant of the last to the Earls of Shrewsbury was made in 1445, and it had been held by others previously. Choess 02:00, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Future-proofing
"...though the current Government has the posts reversed." I suggest this be changed to make it more resistant to the passage of time (e.g. "...from 199x...", which might in the future gain a corresponding "...to 20xx"). FredV 16:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Mad props on the future-proofing. 98.248.67.211 (talk) 19:10, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Catholics
I was told at university, none of these posts can be held by a catholic, does anyone know if this is true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.36.44.4 (talk) 12:26, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

The Lord Chancellor (Tenure of Office and Discharge of Ecclesiastial Functions) Act 1974 declared "for the avoidance of doubt" that the office of Lord Chancellor was tenable by an adherent of the Roman Catholic faith.--George Burgess (talk) 21:22, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The earl marshals (held by the Duke of Norfolk) have been Catholic.   Hot Stop     (Edits)   03:38, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Jacob Rees-Mogg is a Roman Catholic so what you were told at university was or is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.45.52.143 (talk) 09:56, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

lord-chancellor
Kenneth Clarke is shown as occupying this office. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 20:09, 16 September 2012 (UTC) Justice Ministers appear to take the title Lord Chancellor, despite not being Lords. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.7.142 (talk) 14:00, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

repetition
This part of a sentence occurs in the second paragraph and again after the first table. This seems awkward and redundant, as if the writer was cutting and pasting while semi-somnolent.

I will come back and fix this unless someone bolder and more experienced does first. <{: )}>98.248.67.211 (talk) 19:25, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * "Initially having household and governmental duties, some of these officers later split into two counterparts in Great Officer of the State and the royal household, were superseded by new officers or absorbed by existing officers. This was due to many of the officers becoming hereditary(. . .)"

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Lord High Admiral of Scotland
I had inserted the Lord High Admiral in the list of Scottish Officers. The edit was reverted on the basis of "not in source". Page 396 of "Magnae Britanniae Notitia" states "But there were Officers of the Crown, such as the High-Chamberlain, Constable, Admiral and Marshal". I therefore propose to reinstate the LHA. List of Lord High Admirals of Scotland says "By the Act of Union 1707 all admiralty jurisdictions were placed under the Lord High Admiral of Great Britain or Commissioners of the Admiralty. Nevertheless, the Vice-Admiral of Scotland who received his commission from the Crown continued to appoint the Judge Admiral (until 1782) and Admirals-depute and to rank as an Officer of the Crown." It lists David Wemyss, 4th Earl of Wemyss as last Lord High Admiral 1706-1707, thereafter Vice-Admiral, and William Cathcart, 1st Earl Cathcart (died 1843) as last Vice-Admiral. The Earl of Wemyss' article in the 1st edtion of the DNB says that "In 1706 he had been appointed high admiral of Scotland, and this office having been abolished at the union, he was then constituted vice-admiral of Scotland". I therefore propose to record the office as 'abolished at the Union'. Alekksandr (talk) 20:20, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The correct list is on page 399 per the text of the source not were it linked to (page 396). Page 399 lists, Lord President of the Council, Lord High Chamberlain, Lord High Steward, Lord High Constable and Lord Marshal. Spshu (talk) 22:45, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Textual error in a Reference
The text quoted in Ref. 5 is at variance with the content of the source. [I cannot find out how to edit References.] DHW1947 (talk) 20:53, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The text of a note or reference is found in a element at the point where the footnote is called (the place in the text with a clickable superscript number or superscript text). If a single note or reference is called at several places in the text, its value is defined only once, with a name=something argument within the starting tag. — Tonymec (talk) 12:00, 10 February 2023 (UTC)