Talk:Great Siege of Tangier

Infobox "Result"
Please note that Template:Infobox military conflict states against "result" that "The term used is for the "immediate" outcome of the "subject" conflict and should reflect what the sources say." Ie, what happened several years later should not be in the infobox. It has been amended to reflect this. Please read the template "result" guidance in full before amending or reverting. It would probably be best to discuss any proposed change here first to seek consensus. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


 * "English victory" is awfully incorrect here. 160.164.157.55 (talk) 20:25, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not. The siege was unsuccessful, as the article says. By definition, then, the English were victorious. Describing it otherwise because you're anticipating the (voluntary) English withdrawal years later is missing the point of the article, as Gog the Mild also pointed out. In the process of expanding the article, an "aftermath" section which describes the lead-up to that withdrawal would certainly be useful, but that would not change the result in the infobox. R Prazeres (talk) 20:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * A truce is hardly an english victory. I think the article can be expanded with post-1680 events which ended with a Moroccan victory as the source says. 160.164.157.55 (talk) 20:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @R Prazeres Do the sources describe it as unsuccessful? 160.164.162.144 (talk) 22:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * They sure do. In any case, I've added numerous details to the article, including the aftermath. R Prazeres (talk) 06:11, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Childs' work
The sfn in the "Background" section says the year is 2013. The work cited at the bottom is dated 1976. Both dates are correct, and there seems to be many more editions. One of the places needs to be fixed (or both), otherwise the sfn does not work. Викидим (talk) 00:48, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for spotting that. I've changed it to 1976, assuming the page numbers are the same (the later date seems to be just a reprint). R Prazeres (talk) 01:50, 22 January 2024 (UTC)