Talk:Greater Azerbaijan

AfD Proposition
I suggest deleting this page altogether. It's not useful and lacks proper references, remains largely POV. Atabek 20:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If there is a problem, please fix it. --Eastmain 20:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It is not possible to fix it, as there are no reliable sources for this title. I also think this should be deleted. Grandmaster 04:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There are reliable sources. Kaveh Farrokh is an excellent source for example. Besides, this doesnt have to be a big article. The way it is now pretty much summarizes "Greater Azerbaijan".Hajji Piruz 04:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Farrokh is a Persian nationalist, known for his anti-Azerbaijani bias. There are no reliable third party sources to support this title. Grandmaster 05:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What? Where did you get that notion from? Is Farrokh even a Persian? He's Ossetian and Azeri.Hajji Piruz
 * Whatever, still a Persian by ethnic identification. But it is not a matter of ethnicity, it is a matter of bias. It is enough to check his article to see all the hatred towards Azerbaijan that he promotes. Grandmaster 05:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have read his article (many people have) and no where does it have any hatred towards Azerbaijan. What do you call "hatred", historical facts?Hajji Piruz 05:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Kaveh Farrokh is a pan-Aryan nationalist, whether he is Azeri or not is irrelevant to his perceived scholarship. Apparently, there are too many pseudo-Azeris claiming the Azeri identity yet not quite resembling (in cultural and linguistic sense) the modern definition of Azerbaijani. Throwing the words like "yashasin" or "chox saghol" or "yaxshi" does not yet suffice to be called "Azeri". Atabek 09:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

This article is very informative and is well resourced. There is no legitimate grounds for deleting it. Houshyar 05:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Very informative? I don't a single scholarly source. In addition, attempt to Iranica is being removed. This article has no purpose and no subject. Atabek 09:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed the claim that Azerbaijani nationalists make “false” claims that Azerbaijan was divided. See Iranica:


 * Azerbaijan (Adarbay[e]jan), region of north-western Iran, divided between the present-day territories of Iran and Soviet Union since the treaties of Golestan (1813) and Torkamanchay (1828). Encyclopedia Iranica. Azerbaijan. Geography.


 * As anyone can see, the claim is not false. Grandmaster 06:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The source you cited is not about Greater Azerbaijan. And yes, it is false, all one has to do is read the treaties between Russia and Iran to know what was taken by Russia (none of the territory include any part of Azerbaijan). I reverted your revisions as the source you mentioned is not about Greater Azerbaijan.Hajji Piruz 06:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, I think the source should get incorporated into other articles, especially where POV is being pushed about Azerbaijan being the name of only South of Araxes. Atabek 09:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I added it back because it is about Azerbaijan and its division between Russia and Iran. Please do not remove verifiable info. Grandmaster 06:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

This article is about Greater Azerbaijan, not Azerbaijan.Hajji Piruz 06:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Greater Azerbaijan is Azerbaijan, divided in the 19th century. Grandmaster 06:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Azerbaijan was a province of Iran which Russians take north of Araz in 19th century. and Greater azerbaijan is a pan-turkist irredentist claim. You just want to delete what you think will hurt your POV badly. --Pejman47 18:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)