Talk:Greater Manchester congestion charge

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First attempt at a Wikipedia article. Let's see what happens. All contributions very welcome :)Comstock 20:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

"The green survey" is a form of push polls which advocacy group often employ. You could have scewed the poll result in the opposite direction by asking lots of money related question such as "how do you think poor people (or business) are affected by this charge"? Or "do you think it is fair to charge mortorbike". The phrase "limited context" is a laugh. Only green ideologue think that environment is the only relevant context. Vapour 17:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

too many links against?
While I disagree with the charge, I feel there may be too many links 'against' the charge for the article to be evenly biased. Parrot of Doom (talk) 23:18, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually I was a bit concerned myself about the growing number of links in the last section, and agree entirely. I think we need to work very closely with the letter and spirit of WP:EL. --Jza84 | Talk  23:27, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Rename this article?
I'm coming more and more round to the notion of retitling this article to congestion charging in Greater Manchester. Rationale being that "Manchester congestion charge" (which can still be included in the lead as a name) isn't an official name, and a glance at Google implies that this is the name given to the scheme predominatly by opponents. It is also problematic in that it is a city-wide name, which doens't reflect the county-wide proposal. "greater manchester congestion charge" gets alot of results on Google, whilst the phrase is used by GM Future Transport. Thoughts? BTW, we can always re-title the article should a name appear in the future. --Jza84 | Talk  16:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I would agree. The opening line of the GM Future Transport Congestion Charge page uses exactly those words, but since most people would search on 'Manchester Congestion Charge', I would suggest this is kept as a redirect. Paypwip (talk) 17:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That makes sense, with the redirect as Paypwip suggests. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 17:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree with everything said. I also think a TIF Greater Manchester article should be created, and some of the TIF information from the congestion charge article moved into it. Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Rename again?
I have noted that the London congestion charging article is called London congestion charge, the Durham article is also called Durham City congestion charge as is the Edinburgh article (Edinburgh congestion charge), for consistency shouldn't this article be renamed again as Greater Manchester congestion charge ? Seth Whales (talk) 19:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

vote date
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1064750_date_set_for_ccharge_vote Parrot of Doom (talk) 19:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Reaction
Should the reaction section also mention the 250+ companies who are opposed to the plan and their campaign site, rather than just the campaign of those who approve of the plan? http://www.gmmgroup.co.uk/  http://www.stopthecharge.co.uk/ Thinkharder (talk) 06:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed, while the GM Momentum group has a link in the external links, the Reaction section reads as though Manchester businesses are all for the charge, yet in reality it is split. Paypwip (talk) 07:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Proposed Merge: Greater Manchester Transport Innovation Fund
There are two duplicate articles covering this topic, Greater Manchester congestion charge which focuses narrowly on the congestion charging mechanics and Greater Manchester Transport Innovation Fund which repeats the same congestion charging details but expands the topic with a lot more detail on what was proposed and what occured after it was rejected. I propose that the two should be merged into a single article to avoid duplication and give the reader easier access to events. WatcherZero (talk) 17:47, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

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