Talk:Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem

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Is this Church the same entity as Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem? --Oichiro 19:57, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * It's the church that patriarch is the head of. Same relationship as between Pope and Roman Catholic Church. --Delirium 20:00, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)


 * Belated thanks, Delirium. --Oichiro 07:07, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

According to the current Patriarch as quoted in greek media the Patriarchate does not yet have an official website:

( - 4th paragraph from bottom)

The relevant portion of text follows, accompanied the translation:

''Μάλιστα, επισήμανε ότι το Πατριαρχείο δεν διαθέτει ιστοσελίδα, αποκαλύπτοντας ότι αυτή που εμφανίζεται στις συνδέσεις με τα επίσημα sites των Ορθοδόξων Εκκλησιών δεν είναι επίσημη και δεν γνωρίζουν απο πού εκπορεύεται. Πάντως, ετοιμάζεται η επίσημη ιστοσελίδα του Πατριαρχείου.''

''Indeed, he noted that the Patriarchate does not have a website, revealing that the one shown among links to the official sites of the Orthodox Churches is not official and (they) do not know where that (site) comes from. However, the official website of the Patriarchate is in the works.''

Therefore I proceed to tag the links appearing in the external links section as unofficial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Contributor175 (talk • contribs)

The site is owned by the Brotherhood of the Holy Sepulcher, the question is who actually controls it.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frmaximos (talk • contribs)


 * I assume this has to do with difficulties in removing the former patriarch? In any event, I note the website now consists of an "under construction" notice, so perhaps things are moving along. TCC (talk) (contribs) 04:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Αρχιγραμματέας: ο Αρχιεπίσκοπος Kωνσταντίνης Αρίσταρχος

Διεύθ.: Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of JERUSALEM, P.O. Box 19 632, Tel. & Fax: 282.048

Merge suggestion
There seems to a lot of overlap with Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem. The two articles should be merged. Alternatively Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem should be changed to "List of Greek Orthodox Patriarchs of Jerusalem" Ewawer (talk) 10:27, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

“Arab-ize” the church? But Why?
The clear call from the community to “Arab-ize” the Church has been met with an equally clear refusal from the Greek clergy to give up their influence. The leaders of the Jerusalem Patriarchate have not recognized the community’s complaints as legitimate, arguing that the nationalities of archbishops and patriarchs should not matter and that devotion to the Church is the only important factor.20 In an interview with Ha’aretz reporter Yehouda Letani, Irineos’ predecessor, Diodorus I, questioned:

'When did the Arabs come here?...The Greeks have been here for over 2000 years. They came with Alexander of Macedonia in the year 322 BC, and since then we are still here. The Arabs arrived only during the 7th century. This is our Church, the church of the Greeks, if they do not accept our laws, they have one alternative – choose another Church, or establish one of their own.'

According to West Bank native Archbishop Theodosius, an advocate of reform in the Church, the fault for the division between the leaders of the Greek Church and the Arab lay, does not lie entirely with the Greekinfluenced Brotherhood of the Holy Sepulchre. The maintenance of the family name is important for most Arabs, but this requires marriage; an action that is incompatible with becoming a Greek Orthodox bishop or higher level clergyman.

In addition, Archbishop Theodosius notes, there are a significantly greater number of Greeks in ecclesiastical training than Arabs. He believes that the need to increase the involvement of the lay Orthodox community in the Church supercedes the need to appoint Arabs to high Church positions.

When asked if he and Archbishop Sivestros wanted to see more Arabs in the Holy Synod, Archbishop Theodosius agreed with the other leaders of the patriarchate, “It does not matter where you are from, just that you are sincere to the mission of the Church.” He said, “We care about quality, not nationality. Priests should be educated, dedicated to the Church, and understand its history.” He feels that the greatest problem facing the Church today is corruption, and that if the Synod can work to increase transparency in the Church’s dealings, calls to “Arab-ize” the church will diminish. --Nikoz78 (talk) 07:09, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem
Title "Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem" has 2180 hits on Google Books Search: Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem on Google Books Search and 259 hits on Google Scholar Search: Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem on Google Scholar Search. Sorabino (talk) 22:14, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't know why no one replied in 6 years, but yes, it seems "Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem" is the official name. Dan Palraz (talk) 15:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

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Greek_Orthodox_Church_of_Jerusalem#Orthodox_Knights_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre
The section Greek_Orthodox_Church_of_Jerusalem now contains a bare list made from the former Category:Orthodox Knights of the Holy Sepulchre, see Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 9. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:46, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Arabization movement
An article about the movement to Arabize the patriarchate is being created. Everyone is welcome to contribute: Draft:Arabization of the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)