Talk:Green-cheeked parakeet

Nonsense sentence
The article says: "The name Green-cheeked Conure is primarily used in aviculture, while the name Green-cheeked Conure is used elsewhere." It repeats "Green-cheeked Conure" twice... maybe one of those was supposed to be "Green-cheeked Parakeet"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.30.146.103 (talk) 05:54, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed one of them was. :) Fixed it. Thanks for pointing that out. The error was probably introduced when the article was moved last year... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 17:40, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Pic for Page
Here, I have a green-cheeked yellow-sided conure. Here's the pic:

Direct Link: http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb246/fireheart7397/MegCameraPics--KodiacDigitalCamera2.jpg

Fireheart7397 (talk) 18:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The trouble with that is photobucket images are not allowed on the wiki, because of the licence terms in which they are accepted onto photobucket. May I suggest that you take some more photographs in good light and get some from the front, some from the side, and some from behind. Please upload the best ones (perhaps six) to wiki. Snowman (talk) 18:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Seconded. Beautiful bird you have there, by the way. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 18:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, images from flickr can be uploaded to the wiki, provided they are on flickr with a creative commons licence that permits modifications and commercial use. Snowman (talk) 18:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

reason for move
Did this move pre knowing the "official" route. The longer argument for the move from Green-cheeked Conure to Green-cheeked Parakeet is: All major authorities use Green-cheeked Parakeet rather than Green-cheeked Conure, notably the South American Classification Committee (and therefore also AOU), as well as the three main World check-lists: Sibley & Monroe, Clements and Howard & Moore. It is also the name used in the recently published BIRDS OF THE WORLD Recommended English Names by Gill & Wright. Having spend considerable times in the field where it occurs, I have yet to hear anyone referring to it as a conure in these regions. This term is strictly used in aviculture. I have seen the argument used that it, as well as other members of the genus Pyrrhura, are conures, but not parakeets (and it would therefore be wrong to call them parakeets), but this is wrong, as both groups as typically defined (see conure and parakeet) are polyphyletic.Rabo3 06:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Requested move
Some bird pages are reaching GA and FA status with common names and not by following the strict WP:bird rules (see Blackbird and House Martin). As this bird is known by most people as the "Green-cheeked Conure" there seems to be no reason for "Green-cheeked Parakeet" to be used, now that WP:bird rules are being used less strictly. Snowman (talk) 23:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose per reasoning at Talk:Red-masked Parakeet Sabine's Sunbird  talk  19:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No longer going to oppose per my comments at WP:BIRD. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  21:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. I think Wikipedia should stick with the names used in science. &mdash;JerryFriedman (Talk) 06:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Featured articles like "House Martin" and "Blackbird" use the common names of the birds, so I do not follow your reasoning. It is because few people use the "official" names "Common House Martin" and "Eurasian Blackbird" in their English speaking ranges, and similarly most people know this parrot as a conure. Snowman (talk) 10:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

(Morally) support - a more a exacting epithet. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:46, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Support move to name most commonly associated with the bird. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 17:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Support If you went into a pet store, this bird would be called a Green-cheeked conure, not parakeet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oayfer (talk • contribs) 05:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

"Support' It is commonly known as a conure, and the much cited Juniper & Parr "Parrots" also uses the conure terminology. I think it is fine to reference the official terminology in the text, but that the title should be conure. Enviropearson (talk) 01:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Moved the article to Green-cheeked Conure on 4/1/08. -Enviropearson (talk) 21:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

""Support"" Move to Green-Cheek Conur they are  never referred to as a Parakeet. JGG59 (talk) 03:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Subspecies Section
I just added a subspecies section and plan to expand it. Anyone have any more info on the chromosome studies mentioned in the Maroon-bellied parakeet page? It would be interesting to know more about the genetic relationship between the species. Enviropearson (talk) 01:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Move discussion in process
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Nanday Parakeet which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. &mdash; Snowman (talk) 18:04, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Citations Needed
I noticed there are several citations missing. One of the citations that is missing is about green cheeks and tool use. Would a picture or a video be sufficient to back up this claim, or do we really need a citation? I could probably find an article somewhere stating that green cheeks can use tools, but I already posted a photo to back it up, so do we really need a citation as well?

--J-a-x (talk) 19:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * To me a still image does not prove it. Snowman (talk) 19:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * What's your take on these videos (there are a few more too)? I was a little sceptical myself until I saw them...


 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMYxpi6sD78
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG6GHtNjLu8
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U28Kg1vptdM
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ANRZByR7Ms
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuzsNA5ADWk
 * --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 22:20, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing very conclusive to me. Except one or two seem to use what they have in their foot and use it to scratch or just raise it to one side of their head. I am not convinced the parrot thought it needed a scratch and then collected the tool. I am interested in the "handedness" of parrots. I have noticed that parrots use the same foot when holding something to their beak to eat. Snowman (talk) 12:59, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I recall something about handedness as well, but not sure where. Would be good to source and add to (maybe) parrot article. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:43, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It would be great to see parrot handedness added on the parrot page, but I can not add my own observation. Snowman (talk) 20:06, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I've had that fact quoted at me too... ;) I'm not sure about other parrot species but it is apparently the case that cockatoos are nearly always 'left-handed'. A cursory scan through Google and Google Scholar (search for 'cockatoo footedness') would appear to turn up sources (mostly paywalled) that support this. As for Snowman's point about the Conures - whether the birds collected the tools because they needed to scratch, as opposed to just using the objects they were currently playing with to scratch with when the urge arose; to me, it sounds like an almost impossible thing to prove with any certainty either way, as to do so would require an observer with the ability to read the bird's thoughts. However, both circumstances could be considered 'tool use', could they not? --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 21:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * On TV there was a giraffe that was scratching its ear on a high branch. Cats sharpen, clean, or exercise their claws on trees. Are these animals using these structures as tools? I would like to think that "using a tool" does suggest something purposeful. Have you ever seen a cockatoo open the door of its own cage? Snowman (talk) 22:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I've seen a macaw turning the key in a padlock to enable it to open its own cage, if that helps. Is that tool use? I honestly wouldn't like to say... Anyhow, if we look at Tool use by animals, the Jones and Kamil definition of 'tool use' would seem to me to cover a conure using an almond shell or a swab stick to scrat at its head feathers, whatever the whys and wherefores of the situation. Your mileage my vary, as they say... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 22:48, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

For me, it would be much more convincing, if the tool is being used for something that it can not do with its own foot or beak. If the key was in the keyhole, then the macaw was just using its beak. If the key was collected and taken to the lock then this is would be using the key to open the lock, which it could not do with its beak or feet. Snowman (talk) 00:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Often when I find Lupe (my green cheek) scratching with a stick or a feather or a ball, he's often scratching parts of his body that his legs cannot reach, such as the back of his neck or the top of his head. That's why I consider it tool use. I think the photo I chose might not have been the best example because he is scratching the front of his neck where his toes could most likely reach, but he's just so damn cute in that photo it was hard to chose anything else.--J-a-x (talk) 17:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * As a matter of interest, are GCCs considered to be of high intelligence, as far as small parrots go? I was just browsing YouTube again and I noticed that all the 'tool using' Conure videos on there feature Green-cheeks. There are a handful of larger parrots that appear to be doing the same sort of thing, but those would be Amazons, Greys and Macaws - the great apes of the bird world. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 02:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, yes they are very intelligent for their size. Green cheeks are definitely much more intelligent than cockatiels which are slightly larger, and I would say they are on par with other larger conures. --J-a-x (talk) 21:50, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Algeries
I understand that conures do not produce bird dust. I have algeries to bird dust, ie cockateels. Would I be safe with a conure. Thanks, JackHowjack2912 (talk) 21:13, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Taxobox image
Current image is of a yellow sided conure. This is a rare color variant.

Should the taxobox pic not be a more typical example of the species? 146.200.128.134 (talk) 06:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I've located some photos of wild birds on iNaturalist and replaced the top two cagebirds with wild origin, known subspecies photos - MPF (talk) 17:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Peer review
Peer Review S20044663 (talk) 16:21, 14 November 2023 (UTC)