Talk:Green Monster (automobile)

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The most famous Green Monster was definitely not a dragster ! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ericd (talk • contribs).

When Art Arfons was in the news, either Datsun or Toyota created one of the best television commercials I've ever seen, featuring the Green Monster and their car, drag racing on the salt flats. I would love to find a copy of that commercial.

Lyle 23:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

just saw Green monster#5 today at the tubac car show spent some time talking to the owner and watched them fire it up and run about 5 minutes it lives it runs again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.201.66.55 (talk) 01:25, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

"Secret" J79 Manuals
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"over the objections of General Electric and the government, and despite all manuals for the engine being classified top secret."

That whole section on attempting to discourage his use of a J79 engine is unsourced and there's no evidence that the manuals for the J79 were ever classified much less TOP SECRET. Seeing as how it was produced under license for various countries Air Forces' there wouldn't have been much point.

The most telling reason to call B.S. is that this bit of hyperbole was obviously written by a civilian. Given the expense and time in granting someone a TOP SECRET clearance it would have been impossible to make every Air Force enlisted man that turned a wrench on an F-104 Starfighter to get a TS clearance. Not to mention the hassles of storing, accounting and controlling an engine service manual that was Top Secret.John Simpson54 (talk) 00:59, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * "Top secret" is quite low, as security clearances go. It's entirely usual for line mechanics on particular pieces of sensitive equipment to need such access. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:06, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Are you kidding? In the regular list of clearances Top Secret is the (wait for it) Top security clearance you can get. Beyond that is various code word access to programs. The lowest is Confidential, then Secret then Top Secret. TS requires an extensive background investigation. If you're talking about today you still don't know what you're talking about. Looking up the Air Force career page for Aerospace Propulsion specialist (engine mechanic) https://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/aerospace-propulsion we see a National Agency Check/Local Agency Check without a Single Scope Background Investigation meaning Confidential to Secret.

But this is all irrelevant. The burden of proof is on the person making the positive assertion and besides a much repeated tale, no one has ever produced a copy of a J-79 manual from either General Electric, the Air Force or the Navy with the Top Secret markings required by law at the time the car was being built.John Simpson54 (talk) 16:19, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

I located an archived website here https://web.archive.org/web/20030704080234/http://www.americanjetcars.com/aarfon.htm with contemporary news articles about the Green Monster and its J79 engine. The only reference to the Air Force is about Air Force guys saying that because he's sitting next to the fan blades the car is inherently dangerous. There's no references to "secret manuals" or Air Force conspiracies to keep the engine from him. He purchased it for $5000 from a Miami surplus dealer so it kind of moots the whole "Top Secret engine" nonsense. That whole unreferenced paragraph needs to go.John Simpson54 (talk) 19:20, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

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M0ntenegro (talk) 18:51, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Green monster with front spoiler.
This is an 1968 photo of the front spoiler equipped "Green Monster" at Bonneville Salt Flats, as found in a hungarian online image archive: https://fortepan.hu/en/photos/?id=170917 92.249.156.1 (talk) 19:03, 26 December 2022 (UTC)