Talk:Green belt (United Kingdom)

Moving of this page
I've renamed this (excellent) page since green belts are no longer solely a UK issue and there were separate pages "Green belt" and "Green Belt" distinguished only by capitalisation, and dealing with the general concept and with UK greenbelts respectively. "Green Belt" now redirects to "Green belt", which has a link to this page as a prominent example. Hope this meets with everyone's approval. Best wishes, Cambyses 21:13, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

leaping
Shouldn't we say something about London leaping over the greenbelt? Mark Richards 21:19, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

POV assertion
I removed this text: "The Campaign to Protect Rural England (CPRE) has been campaigning since 1926 for the protection of the countryside from urban sprawl. It influences planning policy, and seeks urban regeneration as a way to protect the countryside from urban sprawl. In 1955, in response to CPRE pressure, the Government set out a Green Belt policy. In 2005 CPRE celebrates 50 years of the Green Belt policy but will highlight the latest development pressures which threaten Green Belts."

It is highly POV cliam green belts as a triumph for CPRE. They are influential, but green belt were part of environmental thinking since before CPRE was set up. Icundell 11:49, 15 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I wondered what to do with this text when I moved it. I disagree that it is highly POV - the only possible POV sentence is "In 1955, in response to CPRE pressure, the Government set out a Green Belt policy." which may or may not be true (I don't know!) - and it refers to influencing the UK Green Belt policy not whatever was part of "environmental thinking".  In the end I decided to leave it as is.  Either way, the CPRE probably needs a mention on the page about the UK Green Belt as it is a notable campaigner. Perhaps change it to something as simple as: "The Campaign to Protect Rural England (CPRE) has been campaigning since 1926 for the protection of the countryside from urban sprawl, including the UK Green Belt areas."? Stephenb 14:13, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry - I can't face wikipedia as often as I used to be able to. It was highly POV in the sense that it credited CPRE solely for their introduction, which is simply false. What happned to Ebenezer Howard and the Town and Country Planning Association, eh?

This comment relates to a different POV assertion:

To 2018 overall there has been a reduction in green belt of 9900 hectares since 2014 primarily due to immigration driving increased housing demand.

This looks like brexiteer propaganda, nothing mentioning immigration on the reference 14 where 2018 distribution of green belt comes from. 46.33.137.72 (talk) 09:25, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Date of 1st introduction
It would be helpful to add when the green belt was 1st introduced - ideally in the 1st paragraph. Brandonfletcher 12:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Green belt (UK)
Surely this is an inappropriate title just now. The UK isn't covered within this page just ENgland and Wales, shouldthis not be redressed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.195.48.90 (talk) 12:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair point. I've amended the article to make a brief reference to the position in Scotland, and a tag to indicate that it needs to be expanded.  But for the time being the reference to UK seems reasonable (to me).  Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Grammar/terminology
Currently the lede states that the green belt is a policy. Surely the green belt is the land in which building is restricted, and "having a 'green belt' on which building is restricted" is the policy. Wardog (talk) 10:41, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's either, or both. You could equally well argue that it is the green belt policy, to limit development, that is applied to areas of designated land.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:25, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I would say that the "green belt" is the area, and the "green belt policy" is one way of referring to policy regarding how the area is developed or controlled. I would prefer to amend the lead Wardog's comment above. Has this issue already been discussed and resolved elsewhere? - BobKilcoyne (talk) 10:06, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Changes to Green Belt Planning Policy (2012) and other minor edits
I have replaced the references to Planning Policy Guidance Note (PPG) 2, which has been superseded by the National Planning Policy Framework. Although I state that the policy was formerly contained in PPG2. I have changed reference from "local councils" to "planning authorities" as in some cases, County and District tiers might be involved in the definition of green belt land in their areas, or the application of green belt policy in the determination of planning applications.

I also made some minor grammatical changes.

I am a Chartered Town Planner so please do not hesitate to ask if you have any queries or would like clarification.

Lenatron (talk) 16:39, 9 September 2012 (UTC)Lenatron

Map
Is there a map of all the green belts? The map at present, though good as far as it goes, has England and Wales only. The Scotland Bypass strikes again! Hogweard (talk) 23:19, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the absence of a map is more to do with the different planning regime in Scotland. Google <"green belt" Scotland> and you will see the difficulty.  Though maps exist in local documents, I have not seen, even in Scottish government publications like this, any map that shows them all on one map.   So, it may well be original research to try and piece a map together.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:50, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a good point. It would be possible to do one, but only with a vast amount of work or the right (expensive) database.  All the mini-green belts of Ulster would be a challenge too. Hogweard (talk) 22:49, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

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Table is out of date
It only goes up to 2014. There are stats up to 2017. Will update when I get a chance, but if anyone can do before, pls go ahead. Booklung (talk) 13:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)