Talk:Greenberg Traurig

Offices
How come the list of offices is allowed to take up so much height in the article? The list of locations that link to Wikipedia locations don't ring very encyclopedic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.229.218.164 (talk) 22:58, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

30 June 2006
Reverted from copyvio text added by Aleeder - probably copied from GTLaw Overview. -- MightyWarrior 21:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

This article is incredibly negative
Is there truly nothing positive to say about Greenberg Traurig? Djk3 (talk) 23:41, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * While I found nothing negative there! Oh, that's because some anonymous editor removed everything that wouldn't have shown up in an advertisement for the company...--jpgordon&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710; 05:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

There's a Pro Bono section. That's not positive enough? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.229.218.164 (talk) 22:56, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Why the sudden move doesn't make sense
Virtually no one bothers to distinguish between separate affiliated partnerships that do business under a single brand name unless one already has a money judgment against one partnership and is trying to collect money from the other. As far as 99% of the world is concerned, they're all Greenberg Traurig. Also, Wikipedia has a "common name" policy for things. We usually go with the shorter common name unless there's a really, really good reason to use a longer name, like a legal name (e.g., Apple Inc. to distinguish from apple the fruit.) This is why we go with the common name United States rather than the full legal name United States of America, or United Kingdom rather than United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. See WP:COMMONNAME. --Coolcaesar (talk) 00:42, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Concur with User:Coolcaesar. Cloonmore (talk) 04:06, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

COI tag
Significant recent edits by User:Mwp42881 merit the COI tag. User is employed by a PR firm associated with the GT. Cloonmore (talk) 02:57, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Rubenstein Associates is GT's PR firm, as evidenced here. Cloonmore (talk) 03:56, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

The changes I have made to Greenberg Traurig’s Wikipedia page have been in an effort to provide users with information about the firm that has been verified through 3rd party sources. My relationship with Greenberg Traurig ensures that I know about the subject of which I am sharing information. I understand and respect that Wikipedia is a tool that provides its users with neutral information on its subject, and not an opportunity for free publicity.

Regarding the “common name” policy, I am not aware and am happy to change the name back to “Greenberg Traurig.”

In regard to the sections flagged for citations in the Diversity and Pro Bono sections – I have listed 3rd party references for each of those flagged sections below which I would like to petition to be added to the page. Please let me know if you agree with the proposed cites, below. Mwp42881 (talk) 22:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Diversity: Spirit of Excellence Award http://new.abanet.org/calendar/dv1009-2009-minority-counsel-fall-program/Documents/List%20of%20Previous%20Honorees.pdf Florida Bar Award Press release from United Way about another award, but mentions this one: http://www.unitedwaymiami.org/newsdetails.asp?newsid=226

National Law Journal “50 Most Influential Minority Lawyers”: http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202421621086

National Law Journal “50 Most Influential Women”: http://www.whitecase.com/files/upload/fileRepository/awards_NLJ_50_MostInfluentialWomenLawyers.pdf

Pro Bono:

Fellows Program Link to Equal Justice Works list of sponsors: http://www.equaljusticeworks.org/communities/sponsors

Family Court program NYLJ article

Texas Appleseed Link to a slideshow on their site and mentions GT award: http://www.texasappleseed.net/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=87&Itemid

Also, on their site GT mentioned as Pro Bono Partner: http://www.texasappleseed.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=19&Itemid=261 Brooklyn Housing Court From New York State Assembly signing of initiative: http://assembly.state.ny.us/comm/Judiciary/20091002/ Hope Award Center of Hope-Haiti website mention: http://www.centerofhope-haiti.org/hope.shtml

Advertising Tag
I work with Greenberg Traurig as a communications consultant and it is our goal to have the Greenberg Traurig Wikipedia entry provide information about the firm in a way that does not promote it. We would be happy to re-write any part of the page you feel uses promotional language, please let me know what exactly on the page you consider advertising and we will propose revisions for your review as soon as possible. Mwp42881 (talk) 14:37, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Response to advertising tag
(copy and past from my response at User talk:Mwp42881‎ You asked for my views on my talk page about the article and why in particular I had added the advert tag. I am happy to advise and to try and work towards a more balanced article.

However, there are two issues that I believe need straightening out:
 * 1) You appear from your edits to be solely associated with one topic - Greenberg Traurig and people associated with the firm. In Wikipedia this is generally a strong signal that the editor has a potential conflict of interest. Please would you review the conflict of interest guidelines before editing further or responding to this message.
 * 2) Had it not been for the controversy section, I would have rated the article as non-notable and would have marked it for speedy deletion. Few companies or law practices are notable according to the Wikipedia guidelines and a number of articles about legal and financial companies, partnership and firms have recently been deleted because they fail the notability test.

With those points in mind, it is worth re-reading the article as if you were a sceptical foreign national living in a country remote from the USA and ask "how relevant is this to an encyclopaedia - or are they just trying to make themselves look good? ". Using that test I would remove or very greatly shorten the following sections:
 * Diversity - probably all should go
 * Pro Bono - all or almost all should go
 * Most of the Rankings section
 * Chambers and Partners - should go
 * Best Lawyers - should go
 * Offices - should go (already summarised in lead)

I should stress this is my personal view, not a Wikipedia view but I have been an editor here for more than 6 years I hope that helps. I also hope that you may branch out into the more than 3 million other topics on the English Wikipedia and become a serious editor Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 15:34, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I now note that you do indeed have a strong conflict of interest and I would strongly recommend that you undertake no further edits of this article or it talk page and leave it to other, uninvolved editors to effect whatever improvements may be required. I find it disconcerting that as a consultant to a (presumably) esteemed legal firm that you continue editing even after another editor flagged the conflict of interest in August 2010. I regard that as a wholly disingenuous attitude which reflects extremely poorly on your consultancy company and the legal firm that employs you.  Velella  Velella Talk  19:04, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Updates
I work for Rubenstein Communications and I'd like to make a few updates on behalf of Greenberg Traurig. To mitigate conflict of interest issues, I ask that an editor review the updates and take them live, as they see fit. If no objections are had and no edits are made within three days, I will go ahead and update the entry myself.

Infobox:

No. of attorneys: Approximately 1,750

Key People:

Richard A. Rosenbaum, CEO

Cesar L. Alvarez, Co-Chairman

Matthew Gorson, Co-Chairman

Hilarie Bass and Brian Duffy, Co-President

Larry J. Hoffman, Founding Chair

(and also remove broken links)

Intro:

Greenberg Traurig (officially Greenberg Traurig, LLP and Greenberg Traurig, PA) is an international law firm founded in Miami, United States in 1967 by Larry J. Hoffman, Mel Greenberg and Robert Traurig. It has 36 offices in the United States, Latin America, Europe, the Middle East and Asia.

Greenberg Traurig has approximately 1,750 attorneys and its largest office is in New York City. In the U.K., the firm operates as Greenberg Traurig Maher LLP and in Poland, it operates as Greenberg Traurig Grzesiak sp.k. Additionally, Greenberg Traurig, LLP has a strategic alliances with independent law firm Studio Santa Maria in Milan and Rome. Greenberg Traurig is the ninth-largest U.S.-based law firm by number of lawyers.

Greenberg Traurig is managed by its Chief Executive Officer, Richard A. Rosenbaum; its Co-Chairman, Cesar L. Alvarez; its Co-Chairman, Matthew Gorson; and its Founding Chair, Larry J. Hoffman.

NinaSpezz (talk) 18:47, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Incorporated suggested updates into the article. NinaSpezz (talk) 15:32, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Updates
I work for Rubenstein Communications and I'd like to make a few updates on behalf of Greenberg Traurig. To mitigate conflict of interest issues, I ask that an editor review the updates and take them live, as they see fit. If no objections are had and no edits are made within three days, I will go ahead and update the entry myself. NinaSpezz (talk) 19:46, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Incorporated suggested updates into the article. NinaSpezz (talk) 20:30, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * What updates? Niteshift36 (talk) 03:44, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed Changes
This is a representative of Greenberg Traurig. We are in agreement with some of the recent commentary regarding firm the listing of key executives in the Greenberg Traurig article. We agree that Greenberg Traurig’s CEO Brian L. Duffy and Executive Chairman Richard A. Rosenbaum should be the only 2 listed, in light of the discussion on the reasonable number of executive officers listed. If you do not agree, please advise. We are happy to make the edit to the article if editors are in agreement. Additionally please note that those recently identifying themselves here as with Greenberg Traurig are not known to us and we have not authorized anyone to act on our behalf in that manner. Thank you.GREENBERGTRAURIGLLP (talk) 20:24, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Excessive listing
The infobox is supposed to be a snapshot of information, not an exhaustive list. If Ford, Microsoft, Amazon, Dell and Chrysler can get along with 4 or less leadership names in their infobox, I'm pretty sure this firm can do it too. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:12, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The instructions for the law firm infobox say "chairmen and CEOs not every famous lawyer in the firm". Niteshift36 (talk) 04:12, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

PROPOSED CHANGES
This is a representative of Greenberg Traurig. We are in agreement with some of the recent commentary regarding firm the listing of key executives in the Greenberg Traurig article. We agree that Greenberg Traurig’s CEO Brian L. Duffy and Executive Chairman Richard A. Rosenbaum should be the only 2 listed, in light of the discussion on the reasonable number of executive officers listed. If you do not agree, please advise. We are happy to make the edit to the article if editors are in agreement. Additionally please note that those recently identifying themselves here as with Greenberg Traurig are not known to us and we have not authorized anyone to act on our behalf in that manner. Thank you.GREENBERGTRAURIGLLP (talk) 20:21, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't see a specific request for what is proposed to be either removed or added to the article. Please consider the following as an example for how to submit future requests: Regards,

 Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   00:09, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Update History of the firm
I am trying to update the page to include more historical information on the firm. What does everyone think of this? Gerrymann (talk) 17:36, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

In 2018, Greenberg Traurig launched a multi-office team to do work for clients in the e-sports industry. The practice is led by Dallas litigation partners.
 * I think it sounds like you are writing a press release for them. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:49, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I am just trying to update the page. What do you think about this? In 2018, Greenberg Traurig launched an esports practice based in Dallas.[1][2][3] Gerrymann (talk) 17:08, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Have you ever read WP:NotNews? Everything that is newsworthy is not necessarily notable. I also want to caution you again about your rather apparent conflict of interests. Even if you claim to not be compensated, you can still have a COI. Niteshift36 (talk) 17:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Undisclosed paid edits
Since 2019, this article has been substantially edited by a undisclosed paid editing operation (see blocked Yoodaba sockpuppets), including anonymous IPs with proxies during the last year. Edits included removal of sourced material and criticism. Placing UDP tag for review. MarioGom (talk) 23:01, 20 April 2021 (UTC)