Talk:Greg Abbott/Archive 1

Biography assessment rating comment
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. Needs a infobox please. -- SriMesh | talk  04:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Nothing of interest in the article.

There is nothing in the article about Mr Abbott's beliefs - his view of civil society and government. I know the sort of person who writes for Wikipedia (a college or media type) is likely to have no understanding of a conservative (no empathy), but it does leave the article empty of content of any real interest.90.195.107.105 (talk) 08:48, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Every sort of person writes for Wikipedia. You could have, if you had something to contribute. -- 72.194.4.183 (talk) 20:17, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

POV dispute
This reads like its off of Mr. Abbott's campaign site, and is essentially promoting him, thus non-neutral.--Tznkai (talk) 14:38, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

-The entire section about Mr. Abbott being paralyzed by a falling tree and subsequently suing the owner of the house, tree trimmer and the city was removed. Its removal is conspicuous, especially considering Mr. Abbot has long been a proponent of denying others the monetary benefits he received in his lawsuit which ironically supplied him with much of the money needed to run for office. At the very least, the omission/removal of such a major event from even the "Personal History' section is notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.133.98 (talk) 17:17, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * FWIW, Abbott sued the owner of the property where the tree fell. The owner was Roy Moore, a prominent Houston attorney.  Abbott won a settlement worth over $10 million dollars, most of it in the form of an annuity that'll pay ever-more princely sums each month ($30,000 a month by the time he hits 60) along with tri-annual payments.  Abbott's actual damages (medical bills and lost wages) were quite small.  The bulk of the damages were "non-economic" -- pain and suffering from the disability -- that Abbott himself now wants to limit.  See the October 8th, 2002 article in the Austin-American Statesman, "Lawsuit brought Abbott $10 million settlement".  As an added bonus, the attorney who represented Abbott in the tree suit (Don Riddle) is now "offended" by Abbott's attacks.  See, for example, http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/state-politics/20100531-Accident-set-Texas-Attorney-General-Greg-3032.ece, "Accident set Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott on a path toward politics" at the Dallas Morning News, May 31, 2010 by Theodore Kim.  Then, of course, the cherry on top is that Abbott -- as a state employee -- enjoys full health insurance coverage at taxpayers' expense.  70.116.95.66 (talk) 19:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You seriously need to get your facts straight. The noneconomic damages cap in Texas only relates to medical malpractice cases.  See Tex. Civ. Prac. and Rem. Code Section 74.301.  Abbott's settlement was a personal injury case, not a medical malpractice case.  The noneconomic damages cap under current law does not apply to personal injury cases like Abbott's.  A jury today, in a personal injury case, can still award noneconomic damages as well as exemplary (punitive) damages.  See Tex. Civ. Prac. and Rem. Code Section 41.008(b).  So the talking point that Abbott wants to deny people a benefit he once received is not true and wholly without merit.  http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CP/htm/CP.74.htm#74.301  http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CP/htm/CP.41.htm#41.008


 * Moreover, a plantiff does not "win" a settlement. A settlement is agreed to by the parties.  The fact that Abbott received such a generous settlement without a trial is indicative that the facts in the case were highly in his favor.  Speculating about the damages is silly.  The defendants were convinced that the settlement was appropriate when they agreed to it.  Otherwise, they would have gone to trial.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omniscientest (talk • contribs) 03:24, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Controversy
This article reads like it was written by Abbott himself. He is described as a monster by people who are more familiar with him. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7544107.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.245.154.178 (talk) 05:27, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * By "people who are more familiar with him," you mean a criminal defense lawyer posturing in the media to gain leverage for his client? Really?  That is your reliable source?  Did you even read the article you cited?  A judge ordered that the child support be paid, not the Attorney General:


 * ''Abbott spokesman Jerry Strickland responded, "While we are deeply offended by the ridiculous and meritless claims lodged by Anthony Graves' counsel, this office has nothing but sympathy for Mr. Graves. His experience is truly troubling and deeply compelling."


 * Strickland said the system that tagged Graves for child support payments is auto­mated and handles 1.2 million cases. The child support division "regularly files wage withholding orders without any involvement from the executive office," Strickland said. "And that is exactly what happened in this case."


 * He said the Attorney General's Office is obligated to collect the money that the court has ordered be paid.'' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omniscientest (talk • contribs) 02:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Copyright violations
Several sections of text were taken from. I have removed what I have found.--Tznkai (talk) 14:47, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

2010 Opponents
I've added a reference to the missing Libertarian Party candidate in the 2010 election. If we're going to list all opponents in the election history, it makes sense to list them all when talking about the upcoming election. Doches (talk) 16:37, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Election observers
Abbott warned that he could prosecute the OSCE election observers, they will not be allowed to come wthin 100 feet of a polling station in the upcoming 2012 presidential election. http://www.france24.com/en/20121025-texas-warns-it-could-prosecute-osce-poll-monitors and http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/wahl-in-amerika/wahl-in-amerika-texanischer-generalstaatsanwalt-droht-osze-wahlbeobachtern-11937840.html --80.136.61.198 (talk) 13:43, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Abbott's education proposals not notable?
What exactly is the election about then? Hcobb (talk) 14:18, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not what you wrote about. You wrote about Abbott visiting a certain school.  Abbott visiting a certain school in Spring Branch ISD is not notable.  He must visit 5 or 6 different places in each campaign day.  The fact that he visited one school is not notable.  You wanted to add the information to the article you provide a reason why it is notable. You have not done that.  All you did here was ask why?  Asking why is not a substantive reason.  There is zero notability there.  If you want to write about his "education proposals" then do that.  Don't write about him visiting a certain school and then acting like you wrote about Abbott's education proposals because they are not the same.--NK (talk) 17:55, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

That's where he outlined his proposal. Hcobb (talk) 21:31, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Abbott vs concealed carry
How is Abbott's opposition to extending concealed carry not a notable position for him? Hcobb (talk) 22:39, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I want to apologize for this edit. Your additions were brief, NPOV statements of fact cited to reliable sources; they do not look like things I would normally remove. I would think that my account has been hacked, but I have seen no other suspicious edits. (I've changed my password just in case.) Therefore, I am going to chalk it up to something I did accidentally.


 * Again, my sincere apologies. Lightbreather (talk) 15:42, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Rick Perry Indictment
The current version mentions the indictment of Governor Rick Perry on two felony charges. This article is about Greg Abbott, not Perry. The information presented in the current version at time of this writing has nothing to do with Greg Abbott at all. For that reason, I am going to remove this paragraph from the article. If more information surfaces that involves Abbott directly, it can be re-written and added to this article. Bobbyschultz (talk) 04:49, 16 August 2014 (UTC) Exactly, the indictment won't affect whether or not Greg Abbott serves his term. 199.80.70.66 (talk) 18:41, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

14 October Reversions
I just fixed two editorial comments that were inserted between properly sourced statements and the appropriate references. (A third such edit, by the same anonymous IP address, was already fixed.) There is at least some chance there's merit to the edits (one makes a claim about 1984 Texas tort law, the other about responses from advocacy groups-- both might be true, but those weren't fairly derived from the cited articles), but they need their own citations, particularly in a living person bio. AGF notwithstanding, it's hard to regard an anonymous editor sneaking contentious edits into an article in a way to suggest that they're part of a preexisting citation with anything other than suspicion. I have no objection to the content being reinserted, if it's properly sourced. DCB4W (talk) 14:01, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

On his guard

 * http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Texas-governor-orders-troops-to-monitor-Jade-Helm-6229568.php
 * http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20150327-texas-gov.-greg-abbott-noncommittal-on-sending-national-guard-from-texas-border.ece

How many times will he need to send them on his own personal missions before we get a mention here? Hcobb (talk) 01:00, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

First link is him saying troops are only motoring a situation and the second link is a dead. So not notable and will not be added.67.79.70.148 (talk) 15:53, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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WikiProject Environment?
(and possibly others) Please explain to me, how exactly Greg Abbott is in the scope of WikiProject Environment? I read the "scope" section of the WikiProject, and it says it covers "articles about the natural environment and the positive and negative effects of humans upon the biophysical environment." I have not clue how Greg Abbott fits in with that -- he is not known for anything related to the environment (at least anything major). If we put him in this WikiProject, we might we well put every American politician in it, as I'm sure the number of politicians more famous for environmental issues is at least in the hundreds. Please explain. --1990&#39;sguy (talk) 18:32, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see the "Climate change" subsection of the "Tenure" subsection of the "Governor of Texas" section for more information about the relationship of the subject of this article to the environment and climate. ECarlisle (talk) 20:07, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I see the section, but it's very short and doesn't even describe any actions he took on climate change -- it only talks about his beliefs (I'm sure about every single U.S. politician has an opinion on climate change). The section proves that Greg Abbott is outside the scope of WikiProject Environment. Simply having an opinion on climate change (or even making some decisions related to it, which Abbott's article doesn't even do) does not make someone fall under the scope of the WikiProject, which I copied-and-pasted right above for everyone to see. I looked on the talk page of Donald Trump, who has been significantly more important for the topic of climate change (though not the most important, I'm sure), and it doesn't have the WikiProject. I'm seeing an inconsistency here. --1990&#39;sguy (talk) 20:17, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see also the "Tenure" subsection of the "Attorney General of Texas" section. Also, Wikipedia will always be incomplete. ECarlisle (talk) 20:26, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, so Abbott put some of his views on climate change into policy ... like many other politicians (and climate change is still one very small thing compared to everything else about Abbott). I'm still perplexed at how he is in the WikiProject but other politicians like the U.S. president himself are not in it. --1990&#39;sguy (talk) 21:04, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikiprojects define their own scope WP:PROJSCOPE. Also, please note that Trump is covered on Wikipedia by a large series of articles, and while the main BLP article may not be currently in scope, Environmental policy of the Donald Trump administration is in scope. ECarlisle (talk) 21:53, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't have an opinion on the issue, but want to note that ECarlisle is indefinitely blocked. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 21:07, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I decided to remove the WikiProject. There's a clear difference between someone like Abbott and someone like Scott Pruitt. --1990&#39;sguy (talk) 23:56, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

"...even though she's not full blooded Mexican"
I strongly disagree with this edit made by Julio Puentes. Not only does it violate WP:OR and WP:SYNTH (since the two refs cited (1, 2) only mention her being the first Latina first lady with no qualifications -- they don't mention any "even though"), but it is also very poorly worded and done so in a way that violates WP:NPOV. The wording "full blooded Mexican" is awkward, and it also misses the point that people of many different nationalities (Americans, Guatemalans, Peruvians, etc.) can also be Latino/Latinas -- thus, the "even though" wording is silly (among the other problems pointed above).

Also, Julio Puentes, you violated WP:3RR (1, 2, 3, 4), and you never bothered going to the talk page (and the WP:BURDEN was on you to support your wording since you originally added it). Also, your third revert is misleading, since you actually reverted power~enwiki. And WP:PERSONAL attacks (like this) are not helpful (and how is not being on WP for over 5 years disqualifying? I have 12,119 edits to date compared to 430 for you). Please explain how your edit (and the way you worded it) does not violate WP:OR and WP:NPOV, and please provide a reliable source proving your point (an RS having the "even though" wording would also be nice). Thanks. --1990&#39;sguy (talk) 20:44, 10 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree that the wording "even though she's not full blooded Mexican" is clearly unacceptable; if re-instates without discussing it on the talk page I intend to continue to revert it; it's a borderline BLP issue and there's no consensus for its inclusion.  However, the WP:3RR rule normally requires the diffs being within 24 hours; there's no on-its-face edit-warring that justifies a block. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 04:56, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Electoral History needs to be updated for 2018 election
It is now nine months since the 2018 general election but there is no addition for either the primary or general election when Gov. Abbott won re-election. Someone needs to bring this page up to date. Bill Eastland (talk) 16:10, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

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