Talk:Gregory the Illuminator

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There must be an error in the dates here; according to this article Gregory was concecrated after having brought Christianity to Armenia at the tender age of 5...


 * It is indeed wrong. According to the 1911 EB, he was born circa 257, not 297
 * kt2

According to Bradt Guide to Armenia (2003), the king's name was Trdat which is probably the same as Tiritades. But the guide mentions Trdat I to be ruling around 50 AD, while Trdat IV should be the one "convinced" by the Gregory Illuminator. At http://www.armenianchurch.org he is called Gregory Enlightener. Is this the same?

Do illuminated manuscripts have anything to do with Gregory's epithet? Michael Hardy 23:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

No, I believe it is because he "illuminated" Armenia by bringing Christianity there. 90.197.127.126 (talk) 12:10, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Why would it be useless to recount Gregory's "twelve trials"? I think it sounds like important information.67.172.181.200 19:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The text in question has just been lifted unchanged from an old 19th century encyclopaedia. Probably its authors considered the actual tortures to be too gruesome to be detailed in a family encyclopaedia. Of course the "twelve trials" would be interesting information to add to the article. Meowy  22:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Why is WikiProject Turkey here, they have nothing to do with Saint Gregory the Illuminator. And if they try to claim that, "Oh, we Turks inhabited much of historic Armenian lands, and therefore we inherit Armenian history," that claim is faulty. Gregory doesn't belong anywhere in Turkey, or WikiProject Turkey!

Gregory may not have been Turkish, but he was raised in what is now Turkey. 90.197.127.126 (talk) 12:10, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The accomplishments of every dead person who ever lived belong to every human who is living now, whether they're Turkish or Armenian or whatever. Gregory the Illuminator is not some hoard of treasure which Armenian nationalist zealots should be encourage to guard zealously lest non-Armenians get their hands on him. Facts are just facts, and are everyone's property. "History" is simply just "what happened". It is not "property" or national territory and so Armenian history is not "inherited" by Armenians any more nor any less than it is "inherited" by Malaysians or Argentinians. The history of Armenia does not BELONG to present-day Armenians (since it belongs to everyone) and you've no right to tell Turks that Turks do not inherit Armenian history on an equal footing with Armenians.69.86.65.12 (talk) 10:38, 10 October 2013 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson

The last block that begins "The Armenian Apostolic Church became extremely rich" seems very out-of-place under the heading Veneration. It seems like a political comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.252.20.20 (talk) 21:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

WHOEVER WROTE THIS IS SMART ....... NO OFFENCE I MEAN IT IN A GOOD WAY... I WISH I WAS AS SMART AS YOU!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.50.163.23 (talk) 01:39, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

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the Armenian Apostolic Church is part of oriental orthodox

It's worth noting that he was not an Illuminator
People who have trouble remembering the name of Sargis Pitsak (who WAS an illuminator) are going to waste time coming here. If this were my book I'd explain no later than the third sentence that "illuminator" was not his occupation or art but, rather, having to do with "illuminating" the populace. Not manuscripts.69.86.65.12 (talk) 10:38, 10 October 2013 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson

date of commemoration in Roman Catholicism
Is there a source for Sept 30? This page says Oct 1. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 16:04, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Two addtional versions of the Creed in the Armenian Church
This the feree DOAJ paper (doi 10.24234/wisdom.v1i6.73, OCLC 8600945845, researchgate.net) affirms that in addition to Nicene Creed, "two more Creeds are canonized and stored in the Armenian Church" written by Saint Gregory the Illuminator, adding "he Armenian church still accepts and retains the sacred Creed and during the Holy Mass, when the Creed is pronounced, every time the priest repeats confession of Saint Gregory". It continues saying: "Saint Gregory the Illuminator accepted the decisions of the Nicene creed and convented the Faith in the Armenian Apostolic Church, but unlike other Christian churches, added his confession which was based on the Holy Trinitarian creed adopted by the New Testament."

The second paper establishes a link between the role of Christianity in compacting the nation against the invaders and the juridical status of state religion conceded to Christianity by king Tiridates III of Armenia (250-330) in 301. It also says the state religion caused religion neutrality in Virq and Aghvan, giving a 40-years period of peace and prosperity concluded by Constantine the Great in 337. Armenia was the first country in ther world to have enfoced the freedom of religion for the believers in Jesus Christ God. The enforcement of a state religion could have influenced the proclamation of the Trinitarian dogma in the Council of Nicaea (325 BC). Therefore, it seems to be appropriate to cite both of the papers in the current WP article.

According to DOAJ, the scientific papers' author is employed at the Khachatur Abovian Armenian State Pedagogical University for which he contributes to the journal Wisdom (cf. philpapers.org, this number of Wisdom).
 * P.S.

It is a WP:RS and citable source. Any comment would be appreciated.Philosopher81sp (talk) 18:35, 29 October 2020 (UTC) I apologize for the lenght but the topic needed to be adequately explained.

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