Talk:Gretna F.C.

UEFA Cup
Is it a little premature to say that Gretna are in next season's UEFA Cup? I was reading a thread at Gretna's discussion forum yesterday which says that Hearts have to finish no lower than 2nd in the SPL, so chickens may be being counted... -- Arwel (talk) 11:54, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * This has been sorted and you're right, if Hearts finish third and win the cup the UEFA slot reverts to the SPL. Gretnagod 13:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * There are definitely a few firsts here, aren't there. First team to represent a country in Europe within such a short space of time since being a non-league team. 'First team to represent a country who have spent most of their existence playing in the league pyramid of another country'....any others? Martyn Smith 14:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * 'First team to represent a country who have spent most of their existence playing in the league pyramid of another country' - I'm afraid that FC Vaduz, FC Schaan and FC Balzers have long beaten them on that one. --Robdurbar 17:44, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That's rather different though, isn't it. These teams have always played in the Swiss pyramid, in the absence of any Liechtenstein league Martyn Smith 20:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Wrong Links
Some of players has links to wrong people (like those 2 FW players one is born in 1926? and was member of US navy?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.116.188.142 (talk) 21:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for point that out, I've corrected them. --Robdurbar 19:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

National Flags
What's happened to the flags next to the players' names? --Tomaths — Preceding undated comment added 15:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, they're fine now. --Tomaths — Preceding undated comment added 15:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Where's the squad?
Where is the squad list?, try www.soccernet.com to find out

MiddlesbroughFan 11:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Jumping the gun
OK, I am well aware of the club's situation and know there's little to no hope, but I think these premature edits saying that they're no longer in existence are not constructive. Would semi-protection be a good move? DrFishcake (talk) 12:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Not premature I'm afraid... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/south_of_scotland/7430745.stm Digifiend (talk) 13:14, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Even if the club is expelled from the Scottish Football League, it is possible that Gretna could resurface in the South of Scotland league or the East of Scotland league. The main problem is that they will probably have to find another ground because it looks like Raydale Park will be sold to pay off some of the debt. Therefore any edits which say the club has been dissolved should be reverted. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Pretty much the only thing that can be done per WP:NOTCRYSTAL I would think. It's a bit like the Deaths in 2006 page the night they were getting ready to hang Saddam Hussein, a mass scramble to be able to claim "I was the Wikipedian who..." DrFishcake (talk) 11:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

They have now resigned from the SFL. Again people are jumping the gun and saying they have closed, which is not the same thing. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 12:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I would agree. While it seems inevitable that the club will be liquidated pretty soon, it has not happened yet, so we should avoid jumping the gun. All this being said, the statements currently in place seem to explain the situation pretty well, qualifying statements where needed. Also, I'm not myself a Gretna fan, but it's sad to see any football club end up in this situation, especially one with such a good record in recent seasons (this season excluded, obviously). PaddyUniv (talk) 14:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Which Gretna F.C. are we talking about?
Okay, is this article supposed to talking about both the original 1946 version of the club AND the new 2008 version, or is it just meant to address the old one? Right now it looks like a confused mishmash between the two, and a lot of the information about the new club has actually been added to, and then stripped out of the article. Should we perhaps move this article to a new page (i.e. Gretna F.C. (1946)) and keep this page talking purely about the new club, or should this article encompass both clubs? (Bear in mind that they're both called "Gretna F.C.") — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaveJB (talk • contribs) 15:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's fairly clearly that Gretna (2008) is a continuation of the club that was formed in 1946. Therefore it should all be in the same article. This is in similar fashion to Hibernian, who went bust and were reformed in the early 1890s, or Middlesbrough, who went bust and were reformed in 1986. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 16:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The claim This club is recognised as being a continuation of the club that was founded in 1946 in the article is not backed up by the reference given - which makes no mention of it being officially recognised by the SFA as such. The fact the article states "The club that went bust two months ago have reformed as Gretna FC 2008", while another news article says the old Gretna have been liquidated after the new club was set up, which casts doubt on the official continuation claim? Qwghlm (talk) 22:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually looking further into that article - the person behind the 2008 reincarnation states: "It’s the last act in the history of the old Gretna but we're now looking to the future with a new club." so in his mind he believes the clubs are different entities - so I propose to split the new club's article into one called Gretna F.C. 2008. Qwghlm (talk) 23:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't agree with that. What the media reports are talking about is the semantics over limited companies, the old Gretna company being wound up and a new Gretna company being started up. It is the same football club supported by the same people in the same town with a very slightly different official name for legal reasons, in the same way as Middlesbrough and many other clubs have reformed. It's not like the club has relocated to a different settlement (ie MK Dons), or folded then restarted after a long abeyance. Clydebank F.C. is all in the same article, even though the Clydebank that was in the SFL until 2002 was bought over, moved to Airdrie and renamed Airdrie United F.C.. Legally the Clydebank that exists now is a different entity to the one that existed until 2002, but it is in the same place. A far better candidate for being split up is Livingston F.C. / Meadowbank Thistle. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 11:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The difference with Middlesbrough (or for that matter Leeds United more recently), was that the club was reformed, it retained the same players and staff, the same ground and their place in the Football League, and even some continuity from the old board of directors (with Steve Gibson), while Gretna have unfortunately lost them all. They have retained the fans and geographic base, true, but we have separate articles on clubs which have inherited the fanbase of others - for example, Wimbledon F.C. & AFC Wimbledon, and Scarborough F.C. & Scarborough Athletic F.C. - the latter example is particularly pertinent as they went through a very similar situation to Gretna. Qwghlm (talk) 11:56, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

After finding this quote in The Scotsman from the current Gretna chairman, which says "...there is no connection with the old club other than the similarity in name" and given the new club has a different name, management, owner and players from the old Gretna, I can't see how the new Gretna can be seen as a continuation of the old one, especially given the precedent set with Scarborough. Therefore I've created a new article, Gretna F.C. 2008 Gretna F.C. 2008 and updated this one accordingly. Whether this article should be moved to Gretna F.C. (1946) as suggested above, I'll leave to further discussion. Qwghlm (talk) 19:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Health reasons?
Did Rowan Alexander really step down for "health reasons"? If so, what exactly were those reasons, and is there evidence? FloydPink99 (talk) 06:08, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems that 'health reasons' was the official given reason; but Alexander contests this - it might be worth bringing this up in the article. --Pretty Green (talk) 09:17, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Dodgy nicknames
"The Celebrant"? "The Monochrome"? Yes, I can see the list of supposed nicknames in the infobox has been in the article for years, but come on, someone was clearly having a laugh with these! I've removed all but the official nickname of "The Black and Whites" as most of the rest look entirely spurious. The infobox guidelines say only the most common nickname should be used there, in any case. Jellyman (talk) 21:19, 24 November 2014 (UTC)